webfact Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 Trump holds firm on border wall, offers steel option as compromise By Jeff Mason and Ginger Gibson U.S. Secretary of Homeland Security Kirstjen Nielsen, U.S. Vice President Mike Pence and Senior White House Advisor Jared Kushner walk from the West Wing to a meeting with Congressional staffers about ending the partial government shutdown at the White House in Washington, U.S., January 6, 2019. REUTERS/Joshua Roberts WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. President Donald Trump pledged on Sunday not to bend in his demand for a wall along the southern border with Mexico but said the barrier could be made of steel instead of concrete as a potential compromise with Democrats who refuse to fund it. Trump's comments came at the start of the third week of a partial government shutdown resulting from the dispute that has left hundreds of thousands of federal workers idled or without paychecks. Trump threatened again, without providing specifics on where the funding would originate, to declare a national emergency as an alternative way to build the wall, depending on the outcome of talks in the coming days. Democrats have declined to approve the $5.6 billion Trump wants to fulfill a 2016 campaign promise to curb illegal immigration. Led by new Speaker Nancy Pelosi, Democrats passed a bill in the House of Representatives last week to reopen the government without wall funding. Pelosi has called a border wall immoral. "This is a very important battle to win from the standpoint of safety, number one, (and) defining our country and who we are," Trump told reporters at the White House before leaving for a short trip to the Camp David presidential retreat. "The barrier, or the wall, can be of steel instead of concrete, if that helps people. It may be better," he said. The White House painted that offer, which Trump floated previously, as an olive branch. Mick Mulvaney, Trump's acting chief of staff, told NBC's "Meet the Press" that agreeing to a steel barrier would allow Democrats to stick to their refusal to fund a wall. "That should help us move in the right direction," he said. House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer did not show his hand when asked whether the White House offer to move away from a concrete structure was evidence of compromise. "It'll be discussed," he said on NBC. Vice President Mike Pence led a second round of talks with congressional aides on Sunday about the issue, but Trump said he did not expect those talks to produce results, noting that the principals - himself, Pelosi and Senate Democratic leader Chuck Schumer - were the ones who could solve it quickly. "If we don't find a solution, it's going to go on for a long time. There's not going to be any bend right here," Trump said. He later tweeted that the Pence talks were productive. But a Democratic aide familiar with the meeting said Democrats urged the White House to pass measures to reopen the government without wall funding and Pence said Trump would not do that. The aide said no progress was made and no further meetings of the group were scheduled. OTHER CONCESSIONS? Democrats could demand other concessions from the White House, such as protections for immigrants brought illegally to the United States as children, known as Dreamers, or changes to other spending provisions. Trump said he wanted to help on the Dreamer issue but preferred to wait for a Supreme Court ruling on it first. Democratic U.S. Senator Dick Durbin reacted coolly to Trump's suggestion of declaring a national emergency. "I don't know what he's basing this on, but he's faced so many lawsuits when he ignores the law and ignores tradition and precedent," Durbin said on CBS' "Face the Nation." Large chunks of the federal government were shut down on Dec. 22 after lawmakers and the president hit an impasse over Trump's demand that a bill to keep the federal government operational include money to help build a $23 billion wall along the U.S. border with Mexico. About 800,000 government workers are either furloughed or working without pay. "I can relate," Trump, a former New York businessman, said when asked if he could relate to the pain of federal workers struggling to pay their bills. "I'm sure that the people that are on the receiving end will make adjustments." Asked if workers would get paid on Friday, Trump said: "We'll see whether or not it's settled." Not all Republicans agree with Trump's insistence on keeping government agencies shuttered until the border debate is resolved. "It is not a sign of weakness to try to figure out a middle ground, and I think that both sides need to indicate a willingness to listen and to compromise,” U.S. Senator Susan Collins of Maine said on NBC. She called the debate over using steel versus concrete "bizarre." House Democrats plan to pass a series of bills this week to reopen government, breaking up legislation they have already approved in a bid to get Republicans to agree to reopen certain agencies, Hoyer said on "Meet the Press." "We need to open up government and then negotiate. Not the other way around," he said. (Reporting by Jeff Mason and Ginger Gibson; Additional reportering by Amanda Becker; Editing by Lisa Shumaker and Peter Cooney) -- © Copyright Reuters 2019-01-07 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keemapoot Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 Shortly after this announcement, in breaking business news, The Cutting Torch Society of American announced they expect a record year in sales. https://mechanicalelements.com/diy-7-ways-to-cut-steel/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 Trump is looking forward to a life replete with walls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denim Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 He clearly has no idea what the border is like. It passes through some very difficult and remote terrain. Without manned watch towers every 100 meters it would be just as porous as it currently is. Somebody should explain to him what a ladder is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helpisgood Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 1 hour ago, webfact said: "I can relate," Trump, a former New York businessman, said when asked if he could relate to the pain of federal workers struggling to pay their bills. "I'm sure that the people that are on the receiving end will make adjustments." Yeah sure, Donald. If this really does play with your base, then maybe your remark about getting away with killing someone on Fifth Avenue may not be so hyperbolic after all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boon Mee Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 Trump will be getting his Wall whether it concrete or steel spikes. Majority of the US is sick and tired of the crime the illegal aliens are inflicting on the country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Mcseismic Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 Steel.....too expensive because of the Trump tariffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebike Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 32 minutes ago, Boon Mee said: Trump will be getting his Wall whether it concrete or steel spikes. Majority of the US is sick and tired of the crime the illegal aliens are inflicting on the country. But y’all are good with infinitely more common home-grown crime... More winning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spidermike007 Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 The wall is a ruse. Trump's team used an agency, to come up with campaign slogans. Build the wall and make the Mexicans pay, was one of the top ranking slogans. So, they used it. And the base ate it up, like the Kool Aid Jim Jones served, at his going away party. The wall is not needed, not wanted by 62% of Americans, and not going to happen. Trump needs to compromise, disappoint his devotees, and move on. He is digging his hole, deeper and deeper daily, with this shutdown. His politically career is basically over. He is just serving out his last two years, as a weak, lame duck, and has to get used to that idea. He will probably not run in 2020, and if he does, even Justin Bieber could kick his butt. That is, if he even lasts that long without resignation or impeachment. And he may face many years in prison, once he leaves office. His lifetime of crimes may have finally caught up with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baboon Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 6 minutes ago, spidermike007 said: The wall is a ruse. Trump's team used an agency, to come up with campaign slogans. Build the wall and make the Mexicans pay, was one of the top ranking slogans. Really? You know more than me, but I had the impression that the wall was a brain fart which received cheering, so he just kept running with it. It was the work of an agency? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zydeco Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 2 hours ago, webfact said: U.S. President Donald Trump pledged on Sunday not to bend in his demand for a wall along the southern border with Mexico He will cave. Just like he has already done on just about every issue. *Caved on DACA *Caved on China currency manipulation *Caved on Nafta *Caved on withdrawing troops from Middle East (apparently caving twice on that one, as he's walking back from the latest promise to leave Syria, too) *Caved on Guatemalan Caravan *Caved on North Korea *Cav(ing) on tariffs *Cav(ing) on China He will soon be turning the "Wall" into a Welcome Mat and proclaiming that was his 3D Chess strategy all along. The man only cares about the stock market and nothing else. All mouth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spidermike007 Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 10 minutes ago, baboon said: Really? You know more than me, but I had the impression that the wall was a brain fart which received cheering, so he just kept running with it. It was the work of an agency? Trump is constantly using retread slogans (Reagan first used make America great again), or using slogans developed by agencies, hired to find the most effective sayings, so that this deflector can engage in mass sloganeering, to please his devotees. Many of the slogans he uses are absolute lies. https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/05/keep-america-great-trump-slogan-elkhart-rally/560183/ In what was to prove a masterstroke, Donald Trump picked Giles-Parscale, a little-known San Antonio, Texas agency that had never previously worked on a political campaign. Co-founder Brad Parscale, who was appointed Digital Director, was known to Trump long before the billionaire entered the race. He had previously built a number of small websites for the Trump organization, but he would play a far more crucial — possibly even defining — role in the billionaire’s election victory. Parscale was drawn into the operation by Trump’s son-in-law, Jared Kushner(Ivanka’s husband), who by all accounts was the campaign mastermind. A third key role was played by small British data science firm Cambridge Analytica. In the closing stretch, it is typical for campaigns to launch “Get Out The Vote” drives to increase turnout of likely supporters. Unfortunately for Trump, neither he nor the Republican National Committee had prioritized the registration and mobilization of what polls showed to be his biggest base: eligible white voters without college degrees. To compensate for this, Parscale’s team rolled out a “Suppress The Vote” campaign instead, targeting three specific groups of likely Clinton supporters: young women, African Americans, and idealistic white liberals. Negative ads — like a 20-year-old clip where she suggested some African Americans were “super-predators” — were rolled out in a bid to turn them off Clinton and make them too disillusioned to vote at all. https://www.quora.com/What-advertising-agency-did-Donald-Trump-use-for-his-Presidential-campaign Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bendejo Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 2 hours ago, helpisgood said: If this really does play with your base, then maybe your remark about getting away with killing someone on Fifth Avenue may not be so hyperbolic after all. Never thought about this way until reading your post just now, but yeah, what are rednecks and farmers going to care about someone in NYC getting shot? Now, if on a trip to, let's say Iowa, he shoots somebody at a county fair, and it's, you know, somebody's son or daughter.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samran Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 The explicit promise was a wall that Mexico would pay for. That was the commitment, yet he is looking to have the American people pay for it... None of Donnie’s boosters here have managed to answer how Mexico is paying for it, apart from a vague ‘the new NAFTA is making them pay’. Nor have Donnie’s cheer squad been able to explain why he didn’t get funding when he controlled congress for 2 years. Its pretty clear that unless he shows explicitly how Mexico is paying, the congress don’t have to give him anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cryingdick Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 2 hours ago, Denim said: He clearly has no idea what the border is like. It passes through some very difficult and remote terrain. Without manned watch towers every 100 meters it would be just as porous as it currently is. Somebody should explain to him what a ladder is. The two thousand foot high canyons in big bend park are natural walls. As I said before if you cross with a ladder and jump the border you have a hard time retreating. If you bring drugs and can't retreat guess what happens to you? 20 years in prison for smuggling. There is a tactical advantage to making sure people can not retreat. Steel is a nice choice of materials because it can easily be electrified. The wall can also hopefully stop the flow of weapons into Mexico. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farcanell Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 3 hours ago, webfact said: This is a very important battle to win from the standpoint of ....... defining our country and who we are," Trump told reporters at the White House Indeed... y’all will be redifined as Chinese, Hiding behind your wall, scared of shadows. ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Srikcir Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 2 hours ago, Boon Mee said: Trump will be getting his Wall whether it concrete or steel spikes. Majority of the US is sick and tired of the crime the illegal aliens are inflicting on the country. Trump is not an illegal alien!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Becker Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 32 minutes ago, Cryingdick said: The two thousand foot high canyons in big bend park are natural walls. As I said before if you cross with a ladder and jump the border you have a hard time retreating. If you bring drugs and can't retreat guess what happens to you? 20 years in prison for smuggling. LOL, the cartels have been building submarines for the purpose of smuggling drugs and you really think a wall is going to stop them?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenl Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 3 minutes ago, Becker said: LOL, the cartels have been building submarines for the purpose of smuggling drugs and you really think a wall is going to stop them?? The poster did bring up a new reason though why Mexico should pay for the wall 'The wall can also hopefully stop the flow of weapons into Mexico. ', Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cadbury Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 4 hours ago, webfact said: Trump holds firm on border wall, Prototype of Trump's border wall. VID-20181004-WA0004.mp4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xylophone Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 58 minutes ago, Cryingdick said: The two thousand foot high canyons in big bend park are natural walls. As I said before if you cross with a ladder and jump the border you have a hard time retreating. If you bring drugs and can't retreat guess what happens to you? 20 years in prison for smuggling. There is a tactical advantage to making sure people can not retreat. Steel is a nice choice of materials because it can easily be electrified. The wall can also hopefully stop the flow of weapons into Mexico. Steel is a nice choice of materials because it can easily be electrified. You must be a Trump supporter with a comment like that..........unless the steel fence has rubber/plastic footings, that ain't gonna work Einstein. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neeray Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 3 hours ago, Boon Mee said: Trump will be getting his Wall whether it concrete or steel spikes. Majority of the US is sick and tired of the crime the illegal aliens are inflicting on the country. Get real. There will not be a wall, steel, concrete, bamboo, nothing, NO WALL. This wall idea is nothing more than an election goody that Trump's handlers drummed up to excite his base at the election rallies. The handlers recognized that he had nothing much positive to talk about but knew that he liked to brag about "building things". This gave him a brag point that his red neck followers could get excited about and egg him on. Now, NO WALL DONALD will add one more failure to his repertoire. Looks good on him (and his followers). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neeray Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 1 hour ago, Cryingdick said: The wall can also hopefully stop the flow of weapons into Mexico. Heh, great idea. By stopping the flow of weapons into Mexico, maybe ask them to pay for the wall, 555. I'll bet Donny tries that angle soon. I can just hear the Mexicans laugh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DM07 Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 In the meantime, in reality: 800.000 government workers are still going without pay! Way to go, Donnie! You do you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cryingdick Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 32 minutes ago, Cadbury said: Prototype of Trump's border wall. VID-20181004-WA0004.mp4 That's a Cedar fence. That pic is about $2,000 of cedar lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keemapoot Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 35 minutes ago, DM07 said: In the meantime, in reality: 800.000 government workers are still going without pay! Way to go, Donnie! You do you! Yeah, including many air traffic controllers and TSA agents, who evidently are working without pay, but calling in sick as much as possible because of this. Trump's co-President, Sean Hannity, says Trump should keep the shutdown going at least through the end of January, state of the union address. I suppose Trump and Hannity are thinking that maybe there will be a lapse in TSA or air traffic control resulting in a tragic incident, and that somehow people will blame the democrats for that rather than Trump. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanaguma Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 “We simply cannot allow people to pour into the United States undetected, undocumented, unchecked.” -Barak Obama (Senator) “I voted, when I was a Senator, to build a barrier to try to prevent illegal immigrants from coming in.” -Hillary Clinton (Senator) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tug Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 I hope Nancy told Donald were to put his steel fence lol as for stopping guns the nra won’t let that happen to much money being made on both sides the wall might stop a few people but not the majority and would have little effect on drugs it is also a blatant slap to the principals this wonderful country represents Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanaguma Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 Actually the NRA is a small player in terms of the money it spends in politics. Big Pharma and Big Business spend far more. The US Chamber of Commerce spends more than $80 million a year on lobbying, the NRA around $5 million Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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