GettingBye Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 3 minutes ago, sirineou said: you said doing the same thing and you did not provide " specific variable examples" (whatever the variable means) But an example of "not the same" is: a wall and not a wall are not the same. on one there is a wall and on the other there is no wall , see? not the same. Its obvious you lack reading skills. Please give it another shot. Are you unaware that Obama built walls at the border? Are you unaware that ICE existed under Obama? Sorry but until you can show you have actual knowledge of immigration policy under Obama and Trump this is just a waste of time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 3 minutes ago, GettingBye said: Its obvious you lack reading skills. Please give it another shot. Are you unaware that Obama built walls at the border? Are you unaware that ICE existed under Obama? Sorry but until you can show you have actual knowledge of immigration policy under Obama and Trump this is just a waste of time. You can desist with your baiting. I won't waste time trying to engage in rational policy debates with people spouting Fox News propaganda. You can try to sell the odious lie that democrats are for open borders and unrestricted immigration to someone else willing to play your games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wreckingcountry Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 We vote our values. You have no values and a “president “ who thinks he’s above the law and the latest from the psycho is “FBI is corrupt “ And in the Clinton Foundatuob .. you got nothing !! Go on let’s hear it “Lock her up “ ! Trump will be clinging on to office to issue pardons to his family and ass lickers ! Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GettingBye Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 5 minutes ago, Jingthing said: You accuse liberals of being emotional and irrational and then you post as above. It's a black hole trying to have a reasonable debate with anyone that rationalizes Individual-1's behavior. Trying to act like he's a normal president and this is just about calm discussion about policies. I totally reject all the B.S. you posted above -- it's Fox news style crap. It's totally disingenuous. Suggesting one more extremist new congressman represents the democrat mainstream position is moronic and a big lie. Again -- if you are going to continue to LIE and try to sell that democrats are for open borders and unrestricted immigration, please don't bother replying to me any longer. It's a total waste of time for both of us, and readers. Indeed, it is like talking to a WALL. Resorting to name calling so quickly? People that cannot defend their position resort to such behavior. Feel free to come back when you want to act like a grown up... Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 2 minutes ago, GettingBye said: Resorting to name calling so quickly? People that cannot defend their position resort to such behavior. Feel free to come back when you want to act like a grown up... Lol I see zero value in future engagement with anyone selling the big lie that democrats support open borders. Kindly don't bother me again. Also, I did NOT call you a name. I get it that Individual-1 lies all the time. I suppose that inspires many of his fans to think it's OK as well to lie all the time. I'm not playing with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GettingBye Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 1 minute ago, wreckingcountry said: You have no values Sent from my iPhone using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app That is your defense? The last time I heard something so silly was in grade school. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyClifton Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 12 minutes ago, sirineou said: and while at it give trumpers an IQ test, I am willing to bet big money it would be way below average, I have a way to stack my smarts against yours. Care to find out how? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 1 minute ago, TonyClifton said: I have a way to stack my smarts against yours. Care to find out how? There are many "trump" fans that have high intelligence. Such as that Miller character. An example of someone using their mental gifts in the purpose of evil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPI Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 On 1/8/2019 at 1:00 AM, Jingthing said: You're probably right. However even though I think Individual-1 is a remarkably horrible person and it's tragic that he's president, I just don't see the upside of calling him personally a racist. I think it's better to focus on his lies, statements, policies, and actions which speak for themselves in a very negative way without using that label. Why? Too many white people get very defensive about that and assume we're also calling them all also racist that ever supported him. Of course many of them are but still I don't think it helps to encourage people to be defensive. He needed white people to win and a key part of accelerating his downfall will also involve white people. It already has in the midterms. Sent from my Lenovo A7020a48 using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app Maybe using a russian computer has generated "leftist" leanings?? ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirineou Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 5 minutes ago, GettingBye said: Its obvious you lack reading skills. Please give it another shot. Are you unaware that Obama built walls at the border? Are you unaware that ICE existed under Obama? Sorry but until you can show you have actual knowledge of immigration policy under Obama and Trump this is just a waste of time. While i might lack reading skills you lack comprehension skills. Obama, and Bush bild structures where needed in combination with other measures. And the results are evident, Arrests along the southern border are significantly down. Trump wanted to build a "wonderful big concrete wall" all along the southern border to the detriment of other countermeasures,the environment,and what litle remains of out reputation. and "make Mexico Pay for it" not indirectly as he now claims but in direct payments. He does not want to build a wall because he really thinks it is needed but to throw red meat to his racist base, as indicated by statements from his campaign sayin that he was instructed to say "Build the wall" because he could not remember to bring up the wedge issue of Immigration . That's how "Build the wall" came to be You guys might be idiots, but trust me, Pelosi, Schumer, and the rest are not. Individual One is not getting his wall, and you are not getting yours, they will give him something, he will call it a wall , and the trumpets will dance around the fire and chew at their red meat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyClifton Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 When will he ever learn? I blocked JingThing last week. I don't look at his posts. There is a quote I like and times like these it is so appropriate, that I shall share it with you. This is why he will never be unblocked and why I am never curious to see what he writes: Never try to teach a pig to sing, it wastes your time and annoys the pig. Quote Investigator: In 1973 Robert Heinlein published “Time Enough for Love” featuring a main character, Lazarus Long, who appeared in several other novels by the author. Long was a colorful individualist who had been genetically selected to live for centuries. He delivered the adage during a discussion of avarice and deceit. Emphasis added to excerpts by QI: 1 I have never swindled a man. At most I kept quiet and let him swindle himself. This does no harm, as a fool cannot be protected from his folly. If you attempt to do so, you will not only arouse his animosity but also you will be attempting to deprive him of whatever benefit he is capable of deriving from experience. Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirineou Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 13 minutes ago, TonyClifton said: I have a way to stack my smarts against yours. Care to find out how? If it is by your witty replies, you have already made your point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 4 minutes ago, TonyClifton said: When will he ever learn? I blocked JingThing last week. I don't look at his posts. … Of course you look at my posts. Blocking someone just means you have to click on the blocked posts to read them. You have posted multiple times already bragging about blocking me and then I see this time posting a thinly veiled personal attack rant. That is obnoxious. If you're serious about ignoring me, just do that and stop shouting about it already. I have not blocked you as I find your posts can be darkly amusing sometimes. I'm easily amused. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mekong.star Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 Presidential Candidate Trump was shunned by both Democrats and Republicans.Americans put him in office.Americans will do it again.Trump doesn’t fear impeachment.His wife the Finest FLOTUS in American History would love to see the White House in the rear view mirror.Trump Deranged patients should be deported Cuba maybe.Sent from my iPhone using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GettingBye Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 16 minutes ago, wreckingcountry said: You have no values and a “president “ who thinks he’s above the law and the latest from the psycho is “FBI is corrupt “ Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app You still don't get it. Republicans did not vote for Trump, they voted for a conservative agenda that the Republican ticket offers. For some reason, liberals like yourself keep confusing Republicans for die-hard Trump supporters and this is an incorrect assumption. Strong borders and fixing an illegal immigration crisis are Republican goals. Trumps problems with the FBI are not a Republican concern until there is evidence of wrongdoing and charges are filed. Until that time, Trump will continue to be the vehicle to deliver on Republican priorities. If Trump is found to have violated the law by the Judicial Branch of goverment and not some Kangaroo Court, then he should face the consequences. Does that clear it up a bit for you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 1 minute ago, mekong.star said: Presidential Candidate Trump was shunned by both Democrats and Republicans. Americans put him in office. Americans will do it again. Trump doesn’t fear impeachment. His wife the Finest FLOTUS in American History would love to see the White House in the rear view mirror. Trump Deranged patients should be deported Cuba maybe. Sent from my iPhone using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app Sir! You are a fine specimen of a "trump" fan. That is not a complement. A great example of why it's a black hole for rational Americans to have rational discussions with "trump" fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyClifton Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 8 minutes ago, sirineou said: If it is by your witty replies, you have already made your point. If you can be trusted not to cheat, I have a way to match more than wits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyClifton Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 5 minutes ago, GettingBye said: Republicans did not vote for Trump, they voted for a conservative agenda that the Republican ticket offers. If only that were true. The Republicans are not conservatives, nor is their agenda a conservative one. It's not as loony as most of the left, but it is not conservative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 4 minutes ago, TonyClifton said: If only that were true. The Republicans are not conservatives, nor is their agenda a conservative one. It's not as loony as most of the left, but it is not conservative. "trump" has accomplished a hostile takeover of the republican party. Generally in republican primaries the most fanatic pro "trump" fan has been winning. "trump" enjoys 85 percent support among republicans. The traditional republican party is dead for now. It's an open question what will happen to it after "trump" but for now they may as well change their name to the "trump" party. Quote Mark Sanford and Corey Stewart make it official: The Republican Party is the Trump Party One thing is clear after this week’s primaries: The Republican Party is now officially the Trump Party. President Trump has moved from being an outsider, to the fringe, to leading a movement within the party, and now it’s over. Republicans will succeed if he does, and they will sink if he fails. https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/nation-now/2018/06/14/republican-party-trump-party-sanford-and-stewart-prove-column/699512002/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirineou Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 3 minutes ago, TonyClifton said: If you can be trusted not to cheat, I have a way to match more than wits. I don't care what you say, I am not sending you a picture of my genitalia . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GettingBye Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 45 minutes ago, wreckingcountry said: You have no values and a “president “ who thinks he’s above the law and the latest from the psycho is “FBI is corrupt “ And in the Clinton Foundatuob .. you got nothing !! Go on let’s hear it “Lock her up “ ! Trump will be clinging on to office to issue pardons to his family and ass lickers ! Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app What are you going on about? The Clinton Foundation revenue hit a 15-year low in 2017 after Hillary lost the election. The reason for this is because no special interest group is going to throw money after Hillary now that she is not in a position to help those donors special interests. The Clintons pedal their political influence to those willing to pay them for it. They are crooks. It appears that Trump is a crook. Politicians are mostly crooks. Please don't confuse Republicans for Liberals. Liberals have some need to see their party leadership as pure as the driven snow. Republicans do not. We just want to see our priorities moved forward. I don't know one Republican who respects Trump as a man...he is simply the person who is helping to move our agenda forward. I have now said this enough times that if you still don't understand then you never will. edit: I would add that we do respect the fact that Trump is shaking things up and admit his methods are necessary since career politicians have been letting us down for some years with their double-speak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyClifton Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 1 minute ago, sirineou said: I don't care what you say, I am not sending you a picture of my genitalia . I wrote earlier: "I have a way to stack my smarts against yours. Care to find out how?" But if you think your smarts reside not in your brain, but in the size of your organ, then you have already proved my point. Good luck to you. I shall not try to teach you to sing either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirineou Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 2 minutes ago, TonyClifton said: I wrote earlier: "I have a way to stack my smarts against yours. Care to find out how?" But if you think your smarts reside not in your brain, but in the size of your organ, then you have already proved my point. Good luck to you. I shall not try to teach you to sing either. not necessary I sing like an angel! By the way, a sense of humor is the only true indication of intelligence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyClifton Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 Just now, sirineou said: not necessary I sing like an angel! By the way, a sense of humor is the only true indication of intelligence. Quite right. I would probably need a huge one if I had to listen to your singing. Either way, that ship has now sailed. Good luck to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GettingBye Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 12 minutes ago, TonyClifton said: If only that were true. The Republicans are not conservatives, nor is their agenda a conservative one. It's not as loony as most of the left, but it is not conservative. Well then what is it Tony? I would agree that it is no longer fiscally conservative but everyone that I know that is Republican practices a personal fiscally conservative lifestyle. We can't really stop politicians from doing what they do best... which is squandering our tax dollars for their own special interests and those cronies that put them in office. But I am genuinely curious how you would describe the Republican Voter today as long as you can avoid falling into the name calling of some of the folks here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyClifton Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 10 minutes ago, GettingBye said: Well then what is it Tony? I would agree that it is no longer fiscally conservative but everyone that I know that is Republican practices a personal fiscally conservative lifestyle. We can't really stop politicians from doing what they do best... which is squandering our tax dollars for their own special interests and those that put them in office. But I am genuinely curious how you would describe the Republican Voter today as long as you can avoid falling into the name calling of some of the folks here. When I first voted, I registered as a Republican. I voted for Ronald Reagan. I then discovered the Libertarians and still consider myself today a Libertarian as I am registered as such. I voted for Romney not because I liked him, but I didn't want to see Obama destroy my country. I also voted for Trump, but for a slightly different reason. I despise Hillary and knew that she would put the final nails in the coffin holding my country, but I also thought there was some hope with Donald. I wasn't sure he was what he claimed but I was willing to bet on him rather than her. Now, knowing what I know, I wouldn't call Trump a conservative, but I would call him a patriot, and that is good enough for me. Obama was not a patriot, I think of him as a saboteur who hates the USA and who we are as a people. Republicans walk towards Socialism, while Demorats run towards it. Libertarian and true Conservatives (which many Libertarians are not) turn the other direction and run like hell away from socialism. The Republicans had 2 years appoint special counsels to final put Hillary to an end but they never did it. They protected her. Need I go on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GettingBye Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 47 minutes ago, Jingthing said: I see zero value in future engagement with anyone selling the big lie that democrats support open borders. Kindly don't bother me again. Also, I did NOT call you a name. I get it that Individual-1 lies all the time. I suppose that inspires many of his fans to think it's OK as well to lie all the time. I'm not playing with you. I am sorry if I hurt your feelings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GettingBye Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 3 minutes ago, TonyClifton said: When I first voted, I registered as a Republican. I voted for Ronald Reagan. I then discovered the Libertarians and still consider myself today a Libertarian as I am registered as such. I voted for Romney not because I liked him, but I didn't want to see Obama destroy my country. I also voted for Trump, but for a slightly different reason. I despise Hillary and knew that she would put the final nails in the coffin holding my country, but I also thought there was some hope with Donald. I wasn't sure he was what he claimed but I was willing to bet on him rather than her. Now, knowing what I know, I wouldn't call Trump a conservative, but I would call him a patriot, and that is good enough for me. Obama was not a patriot, I think of him as a saboteur who hates the USA and who we are as a people. Republicans walk towards Socialism, while Demorats run towards it. Libertarian and true Conservatives (which many Libertarians are not) turn the other direction and run like hell away from socialism. The Republicans had 2 years appoint special counsels to final put Hillary to an end but they never did it. The protected her. Need I go on? Please do go on. I never tire of a beautiful voice singing in the choir. I am registered Libertarian myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyClifton Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 4 minutes ago, GettingBye said: Please do go on. I never tire of a beautiful voice singing in the choir. I am registered Libertarian myself. I agree with the Libertarian philosophy but the old guard (of which I am one - held a high state office for a while) is gone and the loons seem to have taken over the Libertarian Party, especially choosing that last nudnik that ran against Trump and Hillary. I am a True Conservative. The State should abolish abortion. Why? Because the reason to have a government is to protect the rights of Citizens when by themselves they cannot do it. A baby cannot protect itself from its own mother, so, therefore, there is a reason for the state to intervene. Politicians should follow their oath. If not they should be sued and ousted. Follow the Constitutuion. Period. No cheating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 6 minutes ago, TonyClifton said: I agree with the Libertarian philosophy but the old guard (of which I am one - held a high state office for a while) is gone and the loons seem to have taken over the Libertarian Party, especially choosing that last nudnik that ran against Trump and Hillary. I am a True Conservative. The State should abolish abortion. Why? Because the reason to have a government is to protect the rights of Citizens when by themselves they cannot do it. A baby cannot protect itself from its own mother, so, therefore, there is a reason for the state to intervene. Politicians should follow their oath. If not they should be sued and ousted. Follow the Constitutuion. Period. No cheating. Libertarian and conservative are not the same thing. Maybe taking this quiz will help you out. I took it and I'm an 85 percent liberal. No surprise. Also 57 percent libertarian and 14 percent conservative. They aren't intended to add up. https://www.gotoquiz.com/are_you_conservative_liberal_or_libertarian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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