DM07 Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 So, I guess we are finally in for a Goebbels- like propaganda show, to be televised on all channels, because Trump means ratings and ratings mean money! If I were ALL TV- channels (except for the propaganda networks like FAUX), I would offer to televise this whole pony-show with a 10 minute delay and fact- check his BS in real time, to tell the viewers exactly, how much horseshyte they are being fed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAG Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 14 minutes ago, DM07 said: So, I guess we are finally in for a Goebbels- like propaganda show, to be televised on all channels, because Trump means ratings and ratings mean money! If I were ALL TV- channels (except for the propaganda networks like FAUX), I would offer to televise this whole pony-show with a 10 minute delay and fact- check his BS in real time, to tell the viewers exactly, how much horseshyte they are being fed! If I may paraphrase some well known quotes about US Presidents, perhaps relevant when we are considering "fact checking": George Washington could not tell a lie. Richard Nixon could not tell the truth. Donald Trump can not tell the difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tug Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 Dm07 that sir is the best idea I’ve heard in a long time lol expose him in real time point by point !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Srikcir Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 4 hours ago, TopDeadSenter said: It could be diamond encrusted Trump could also wear a diamond encrusted crown as well from those funds, maybe fund his own personal army. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanuckThai Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 6 minutes ago, bristolboy said: Are you wondering at all about who is not getting their fair shake at the trough if a wall is not built? Yours was truly a bizarre and obviously biased observation. And the biases keep on coming. The question isn't whether it's a negative if secure border access points are created, controlled, and immigration requirements enforced. The question is whether or not it's possible without huge expense. Just staffing alone poses a huge problem. As anyone moderately familiar with the issue knows, corruption of Immigraton officers is a huge problem. To make a lot of money all an immigration officer has to do is look the other way. It takes a long time to vet each applicant for the job. And how many acccess points do you think are necessary along a 2000 mile border to make it secure. The cost of building a wall is indeed a drop in the bucket compared to the cost of staffing it and maintaining it. And as most security experts know without a huge number of agents to staff it, it will be ineffective. Well, I'm not sure about bizarre, but aware and semi biased (a little naive perhaps) I'll give you. I'm familiar (lived and worked throughout) with southern US border area issues and the negatives associated with illegals in border towns/cities. I'm not racist by any means, but believe the issue has come to a boiling point again for both sides (legal citizens/residents vs illegal). Illegals are a detriment to legal immigrants. I'm sure the argument of wall/no wall, border security, how to resolve illegal entry to the US and how or who will pay for it, will be perpetual. Democracy and the political system in north america is a chaotic charade, and chaos creates cash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farcanell Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 2 hours ago, LomSak27 said: Ahh so its about Drug Cartels now, Immigrants are a little too la-de-da .. the threat has ramped up ... no time left, POTUS to the Border!! TV cameras Follow Tigers vs the Crimson Tide is up ... sorry continue with your hysterical bull excrement like blathering, I'll catch up. IT'S GAME TIME!! Lmao.... the reply was to a post about drug trafficking..... would you prefer replies to specific topics address the weather instead, vs the topic being replied too. anyway, if you object to the reply, you should really address your sarcasm to the poster who brought up drugs, rather than the one applying sense and reason to the argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farcanell Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 4 hours ago, TopDeadSenter said: This is going to be awesome. I believe he will state (correctly) that the open southern border is the greatest threat to American security existing today. In light of this, he will use an executive order and the military to get this wall done asap. I read 95% of border security guards are pro wall - well they should know. What I can't understand is why he doesn't just freeze all foreign aid, its a huge sum something like 50bn buck a year, and spend it all on the wall. It could be diamond encrusted if we reroute all the money we splash on 3rd world dictators back to the nation's security. Well that's where I would start. Good luck Trump, and don't forget to Tweet the news for extra exposure. WHat are you actually reading to come up with these figures? trumps tweets I presume. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farcanell Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 3 hours ago, TopDeadSenter said: Much of that traffic eventually makes landfall, and then it's "going pretty easily through Mexico and ... almost entirely crossing the land border" in the US, said Adam Isacson, senior associate for defense oversight at the Washington Office on Latin America. https://www.businessinsider.com/heres-how-drugs-are-getting-smuggled-from-south-america-to-the-us-2017-9 I will repeat for clarity "almost entirely crossing the land border". Would you like to review you false statement on most drugs coming trough the air? And I am sure I can scupper your claim that illegal aliens and terrorists come through the air also just as easily. If I had something major to hide I would not be flying through high security airports, I'd just pop over the border too. And if caught there is always the "I'm a refugee" card to play, which I learn on this forum, makes illegally crossing the US border a legal act. Insanity but there you go. AH... i see what your reading..... headlines which seemingly support your bias. That’s cool, but did you really expect others to not open and read the link, which does not support your claims. If anyone couldn’t be bothered.... this article expressly deals with drug movement in South America, with an unsupported opinion regards the US part of the issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farcanell Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 2 hours ago, riclag said: Hear so much about the decline of illegal entry and the majority of illegality coming through the air, regardless there is a need for a wall for the obvious reasons below!It's been goin on for decades ! Past administrations have unsuccessfully tried to handle it! It is a definite threat,why else would past administrations try to use force to stop it ! The security threat is forming in masses and many in those formation's don't want to wait in line ! I want a big impenetrable wall with all the bells and whistles "There’s no official measure of how many people succeed in illegally crossing the border, but authorities use the number of apprehensions to gauge changes in illegal immigration. Apprehensions on the Southwest border peaked in 2000 at 1.64 million and have generally declined since, totaling 303,916 in 2017. Those numbers, which come from the U.S. Customs and Border Protection, are for fiscal years and date back to 1960". https://www.factcheck.org/2018/06/illegal-immigration-statistics/ A great link supporting the fact that current border measures are working very effectively, with graph showing the dramatic decline in southern border crossings.... which only serves to demonstrate that a great wall of America is not needed. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farcanell Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 4 hours ago, sirineou said: Since most of the illegal aliens, drugs, and terrorists come through the air, don't you think that instead of building a wall we should be building a roof? BIng bing bing! we have a winner! well said sirineou.... well said ???????????????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirineou Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 3 hours ago, Boon Mee said: Drugs, terrorism, child molesters and a whole slew of criminals definitely use the land crossing method. The Wall is critical to securing the safety of Americans. Drugs, terrorism, child molesters and a whole slew of criminals definitely do not use the land crossing method. The Wall is not critical to securing the safety of Americans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keemapoot Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 1 minute ago, sirineou said: Drugs, terrorism, child molesters and a whole slew of criminals definitely do not use the land crossing method. The Wall is not critical to securing the safety of Americans. Yeah, but hey, what about all those lettuce-picking jobs they are stealing from Americans? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huainnews Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 The way that Trump is talking his supporters seem to be convinced that the $5.6billion will pay for the entire wall, only once have I heard him say that this sum will be 'sufficient for maybe 200 miles of fencing', Two years ago the overall cost was estimated at around $70 billion and I have this past week heard estimates of up to $138 billion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
puck2 Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 Moron Trump, if you would like to build a wall in order to reduce "terrorism" .... than ask for a budget money to build a wall against the NRA (National Rifle Association). That would save lives, xxxx-times more than your pretended "terrorism victims". But the majority in the world already recognized ruling with brain that's not your cup of tea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thaidream Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 I would love to see Congress prepare a bill that provides legality for the DACA children along with $5Billion funding for the silly wall. House passes it and sends it to the Senate who I am sure will also pass it because they need to get the Government open again. then off to Trump- I dare him to veto that bill and even if he does- the veto will be overridden. Once this is settled we can get back on track to see Trump's children be indicted and face potential jail. At that point the Republicans will have had enough of this man and the leaders will visit him with an ultimatum- resign or face conviction . the strange thing about Trump is that he can articulate the problems fairly accurately but his solutions are always wrong and he refuses to listen to his advisers. He is clearly a textbook narcissistic megalomaniac and as such unqualified to be President or even a dog catcher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LomSak27 Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 44 minutes ago, farcanell said: Lmao.... the reply was to a post about drug trafficking..... would you prefer replies to specific topics address the weather instead, vs the topic being replied too. anyway, if you object to the reply, you should really address your sarcasm to the poster who brought up drugs, rather than the one applying sense and reason to the argument. So I clipped the critique instead of the original, so sorry Jethro. Now How about correcting that for me after you are done dishing bile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baerboxer Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 4 hours ago, neeray said: Perfect response Sirineou. Even CNN thanked Chris Wallace of FOX for this fine piece of work. Fox News and CNN - impartial broadcasters you can no trust 555! When they say what you agree with of course! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnybangkok Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 5 hours ago, TopDeadSenter said: This is going to be awesome. I believe he will state (correctly) that the open southern border is the greatest threat to American security existing today. In light of this, he will use an executive order and the military to get this wall done asap. I read 95% of border security guards are pro wall - well they should know. What I can't understand is why he doesn't just freeze all foreign aid, its a huge sum something like 50bn buck a year, and spend it all on the wall. It could be diamond encrusted if we reroute all the money we splash on 3rd world dictators back to the nation's security. Well that's where I would start. Good luck Trump, and don't forget to Tweet the news for extra exposure. The 'greatest threat to American security today'? It doesn't even make the top 10. https://fortunascorner.com/2018/08/05/ten-biggest-national-security-threats-facing-u-s/ It's the oldest trick in the political book; get the working man to blame the immigrants for all the problems in their life even though the country is run by billionaires and corporations. Let me ask you this? Personally, what effected you more? 1. The 2008 economic crisis that saw businesses go under and wide spread unemployment because a few wall street bankers needed a $2 million bonus instead of a $1 million bonus (I lost my business because of it so I know how much it effected me)? 2. The ensuing recession that has seen wages stagnate for almost a decade with the average American seeing their purchasing power decrease to it's lowest in 40 years? http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2018/08/07/for-most-us-workers-real-wages-have-barely-budged-for-decades/ 3. A few illegal immigrants (that's been steadily decreasing since it's peak in 2000) taking menial jobs that most Americans turn their nose up at? Yet you people can't see it. You just continue to fight among yourselves blaming and demonising people who have little choice in their life but to try and find something better even if it means putting themselves and their children in harm’s way. At the same time the billionaires and corporations get huge tax breaks whilst waiting for further erosion of Dodd-Frank so they can really make some money. They're just sitting back and laughing about how they are still getting away with all this and that YOU are focused on an exaggerated problem that can be much better sorted through so many other better ways than an ineffectual wall estimated to cost anything from $25 billion to $70 billion (just to build). It's a non-problem created to keep your eyes away from where the real action is going on in the shape of the forthcoming legal issues that the most divisive president in recent US history and his family will soon be facing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simple1 Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 5 hours ago, Longcut said: Yup, that's right. Blame Trump and America for your countries problems. What a baby you are. Blaming others for your problems. You are definitely a liberal. Rather than ignorance, a hallmark of the trump regime, try some basic research and you uncover the economic and security harm to Australia created by trump's activities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farcanell Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 1 hour ago, LomSak27 said: So I clipped the critique instead of the original, so sorry Jethro. Now How about correcting that for me after you are done dishing bile. ???????????? Bile... spewing anger, vitriol and complaint. Is that really what I did, or are you spinning just a wee bit? that said.... I think I did actually correct you in the post you quoted, although it might have been lost in the bile... bile... dark green or yellowish brown fluid ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LomSak27 Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 Knock yourself out Jethro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 6 hours ago, Hanaguma said: This all seems to be a prelude to the President using his emergency powers to fund the border wall, rather than going through Congress. Seeing as how the Democrats refuse to even talk about the situation, it may be the only path forward. It's a bad idea really in the long run, the best answer is for Congress to pass a budget that includes funding. Unfortunately however, the precedent has been set by previous Presidents, who used executive powers to ram their pet policies through without consulting Congress. He may try. It won't work. I think that is probably the best chance to end the shutdown. He can tell his rabid MAWA hat rally crowds that he went super extreme in TRYING and then continue to tell lies that his great wall of "trump" is already built anyway. Look at the pretty prototypes! Actually it might work well enough to build a small portion with his now favored steel killer spikes to use in 2020 campaign ads. That's what this has been about all along. Truth doesn't matter to his xenophobic white nationalist fans. Neither do actual solutions to border security. Of course hopefully the illegitimate con man president doesn't even make it to run in 2020. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yardrunner Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 what is Mr Trump proposing, a new concrete curtain to replace the Iron Curtain that was ripped down by eastern Europeans who wanted their freedom. i suppose it is one way for him to help Putin to extend his new Russian empire Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JulesMad Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 9 hours ago, webfact said: U.S. President Donald Trump walks before speaking WOW! That must be a new world record Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
candide Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 8 hours ago, TopDeadSenter said: I will repeat for clarity "almost entirely crossing the land border". You are probably right. However, it does not mean that Trump's wall will be effective as the majority of it is hidden in vehicles or trains entering the US quite legally, or go through tunnels, etc.... "The majority of illegal drugs enter the United States in an assortment of vehicles, with drugs hidden in secret compartments in door panels or the roof, gas tanks, tires and even engines." "Smugglers also dig cross-border tunnels, primarily to move large volumes of marijuana." "Cargo trains, tractor-trailers and passenger buses have been used to move illegal drugs" https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/25/us/drugs-border-wall.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JulesMad Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 8 hours ago, Longcut said: Yup, that's right. Blame Trump and America for your countries problems. What a baby you are. Blaming others for your problems. You are definitely a liberal. Where I come from liberals are right-wing, absolutely not left in any respect/degree. Yes, I am also not american and extremely proud of that fact! As long as your president and country keep their affairs local, I could not care less... BUT the whole world is affected; it is no longer a local affair... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 4 minutes ago, JulesMad said: Where I come from liberals are right-wing, absolutely not left in any respect/degree. Yes, I am also not american and extremely proud of that fact! As long as your president and country keep their affairs local, I could not care less... BUT the whole world is affected; it is no longer a local affair... Yes liberal has different meanings in different cultures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berkshire Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 3 hours ago, johnnybangkok said: The 'greatest threat to American security today'? It doesn't even make the top 10. https://fortunascorner.com/2018/08/05/ten-biggest-national-security-threats-facing-u-s/ It's the oldest trick in the political book; get the working man to blame the immigrants for all the problems in their life even though the country is run by billionaires and corporations. Let me ask you this? Personally, what effected you more? 1. The 2008 economic crisis that saw businesses go under and wide spread unemployment because a few wall street bankers needed a $2 million bonus instead of a $1 million bonus (I lost my business because of it so I know how much it effected me)? 2. The ensuing recession that has seen wages stagnate for almost a decade with the average American seeing their purchasing power decrease to it's lowest in 40 years? http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2018/08/07/for-most-us-workers-real-wages-have-barely-budged-for-decades/ 3. A few illegal immigrants (that's been steadily decreasing since it's peak in 2000) taking menial jobs that most Americans turn their nose up at? Yet you people can't see it. You just continue to fight among yourselves blaming and demonising people who have little choice in their life but to try and find something better even if it means putting themselves and their children in harm’s way. At the same time the billionaires and corporations get huge tax breaks whilst waiting for further erosion of Dodd-Frank so they can really make some money. They're just sitting back and laughing about how they are still getting away with all this and that YOU are focused on an exaggerated problem that can be much better sorted through so many other better ways than an ineffectual wall estimated to cost anything from $25 billion to $70 billion (just to build). It's a non-problem created to keep your eyes away from where the real action is going on in the shape of the forthcoming legal issues that the most divisive president in recent US history and his family will soon be facing. Well said....but way too cerebral for the typical Trump supporter. Trump's a conman...but a brilliant one. He managed to conjure up a crisis/enemy (illegal immigration/immigrants) and a solution (the wall). His idiot supporters eat it up. With all the myriad problems facing America today, Trump and his base are fixated on this one that doesn't even move the scale in terms of importance. Your article of the top 10 threats is interesting...but we also have other problems that may or may not be national security threats, but huge problems nevertheless. Like the national debt, gun crime, corruption in government, etc. But all the Trumpets can do is lose sleep over some migrants seeking a better life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristolboy Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 6 minutes ago, JulesMad said: Where I come from liberals are right-wing, absolutely not left in any respect/degree. Yes, I am also not american and extremely proud of that fact! As long as your president and country keep their affairs local, I could not care less... BUT the whole world is affected; it is no longer a local affair... That not being American is quite an achievement. How many years did it take you to get there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JulesMad Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 1 minute ago, bristolboy said: That not being American is quite an achievement. How many years did it take you to get there? From my very early days as a young sperm; Thanks, dad ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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