Record-Breaking Number Of Americans Want To Get Out Of U.S. Forever

[marcusarelus]

2 hours ago, sirineou said:

They don't get it.

There is direct taxation and there is indirect taxation.

  What matters is the bottom line.

You could  pay Pay $20.000 more in tax per year and get free medical and free higher education, or you can pay $20,000 less in tax and pay $40,000 for education and medical on your own.

  A $60,000 investment in educating a person will come back tenfold in the lifetime of that person, in productivity and taxes paid from the higher wages earned. And at the same time you have an educated citizen who will not elect someone like Trump. Same goes for universal health insurance.

Ask yourself, where do you want to live. I a country of educated healthy citizens or in a country of uneducated , sick citizens? 

  Some people will cut their nose off, to spite their face. 

I like uneducated rice farmers who can dance and have an occasional cold. 

[doggie1955]

16 hours ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 Polarization, I guess, if you call Trump's 30+% approval ratings polarized.

 

It's a minority faction of the U.S. population that believes in a guy who managed to scam his way into the White House, very likely with illegal support from Putin and Russia, and has managed since his arrival to do nothing but divide Americans, lower the U.S.'s standing in the world, threaten U.S. national and international security, cozy up to the worst dictators like Putin and Kim, and on and on.

 

The question posed by the Gallup pollsters is really a tough one -- on one hand, Trump makes me sick and want to run as far away as possible from his and his ilk.  On the other hand, you don't want to leave your own country in the hands of a deranged imbecile like him and let the racists, nationalists, misogynists, ultra right, Christian fundamentalists etc etc. run amok in trying to impose their will on normal Americans.

 

 

Boy did you get this all wrong... It was Obama who got Americans divided, not Trump. But a liberal like you will always cry, and cry!

 

[bristolboy]

55 minutes ago, doggie1955 said:

Boy did you get this all wrong... It was Obama who got Americans divided, not Trump. But a liberal like you will always cry, and cry!

 

Really? Then explain how Trump in a strong economy is more unpopular than Obama was during the aftermath of the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression.

[kannot]

On 1/8/2019 at 9:25 AM, ThreeEyedRaven said:

Seems the Greatest country on earths title seems to be slipping. Cant say I blame them. I wouldn't want to live somewhere with no universal health care, indiscriminate shootings all the time and a leader such as they have right now, just to scratch the surface of the issues.

America or Thailand?

[bristolboy]

2 hours ago, Nyezhov said:

Now with that, would ya'll say she is an expat because she hates America and is just fleeing the horrors of the USA, or is she being smart and enjoying the world by taking advantage of her skills and the genetic lottery?

What a simple-minded question. As though it's an either/or. Clearly real patriotism is about being willing to make sacrifices for your country. So it's just the case that, as is her right, she puts her personal betterment ahead of the betterment of her country. It doesn't mean she hates America. She's just not particularly patriotic. And as an American she has the right not to be. 

[Patriot1066]

On 1/8/2019 at 9:24 AM, khwaibah said:

Don't let the door hit your butt.????

 

On 1/8/2019 at 11:15 AM, attrayant said:

 

A blind man could see it with his cane.  People, no matter where they are, want to move to what they see as a better place.

 

 

In other words...

 

If you could read more than the headline, you'd see that this is a Gallup poll that many news outlets are reporting on.

Yes looks like more anti Trump organised propaganda 

[riclag]

On 1/8/2019 at 10:58 AM, geriatrickid said:

The people who want out often are the most creative or wealthiest. They relocate for tax  and estate planning purposes. Consider the implications of the loss of their taxes on your  social security and medicare benefits, on military budgets etc.. Someone has to pay for your benefits.

California Governor wants to reinstitute the  ObamaCare mandate (tax) that PT Tax Reform Act  eliminated!  

Before the reform  one was forced by the government to carry medical insurance, with mandatory medical  coverage requirements!   A federal judge just recently claimed with out the forced mandate ,Obamacare is  unconstitutional!  

I will be saving $700 annually by not having to pay the tax!  I already pay $400 California income tax,9.5 % sales tax# 1 in the USA. and other taxes . A Federal Income Tax of $600 .

 Liberal Government institutions are out of hand

Make's sense to come to Thailand !   

[stevenl]

33 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

Really? Then explain how Trump in a strong economy is more unpopular than Obama was during the aftermath of the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression.

Of course Obama divided the USA by getting elected. That showed the racists something they didn't want. Hence the republicans opposition from day 1, not on issues, only on the person.

[Nyezhov]

3 minutes ago, stevenl said:

Of course Obama divided the USA by getting elected. That showed the racists something they didn't want. Hence the republicans opposition from day 1, not on issues, only on the person.

How about the fact that Obamas policies were an anathema to those who believed in conservative principles and free markets. Tarring all those who opposed Obama as rascists is childish.

 

[stevenl]

15 minutes ago, Nyezhov said:

How about the fact that Obamas policies were an anathema to those who believed in conservative principles and free markets. Tarring all those who opposed Obama as rascists is childish.

 

As I said, from day 1 and all on the person, not on policies.

Policy opposition is healthy, personal (best illustrated by the emphasis on the middle name Hussein, him being muslim and not being born in the USA) divides.

And yes, that was all purely racist.

[Hank Gunn]

11 hours ago, Cryingdick said:

 

Not to mention they would also be liable to pay American taxes in addition to whatever the local taxes are if above $92,000 a year in income. 

I believe it’s now over $100k US per year that’s exempt from taxes. Anything over that, that’s earned overseas is then taxable.

[Hank Gunn]

1 hour ago, bristolboy said:

Really? Then explain how Trump in a strong economy is more unpopular than Obama was during the aftermath of the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression.

Divisiveness is not the same as popularity.

[Stargeezr]

I am glad not to live in America, where when the President travels, it takes 2 B747 aircraft, as well as a freight transport for his limo and or helicopter to get him around. Costing US taxpayers

over 200,000 US dollars per hour. What a country indeed, and they still wonder why they are so

far in debt. Great country indeed. Meanwhile my leader, used to have nice hair, but it is

going grey.

Geezer

[DeaconJohn]

Born in the USA.

Grew up as a kid in the 1950s and came of age in the '60s.

Started traveling on my own in the '70s... wasn't trying to get away from anything, just wanted to see the world.

After the defeat in Vietnam our country started going downhill slowly at first then with increasing speed until the 9/11 operation and its aftermath ended America as a country that anyone in their right mind would want to live in and call their own.

 

[sirineou]

6 hours ago, marcusarelus said:

I like uneducated rice farmers who can dance and have an occasional cold. 

 I like hard boiled eggs

[EVENKEEL]

5 hours ago, bristolboy said:

Really? Then explain how Trump in a strong economy is more unpopular than Obama was during the aftermath of the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression.

 

 

 

[55Jay]

On 1/8/2019 at 4:55 PM, Dolmance said:

I am an American who would like to spend my 'Golden Years' here in Thailand, because there is nothing I fear more than dying with a sense of deep regret, and this next is the important one for this thread, I don't want to leave this world feeling ridiculous.

 

That's why I don't want to die in America.  I'd like just a little dignity, please.

Fair enough.  Just make sure you have plenty of money in your pocket when the time comes in Thailand lest you die in out in the hospital car park with a uniformed security guard blowing a whistle in your ear non-stop.  ????

[attrayant]

 

Best explanation ever.

[direction BANGKOK]

 

On 1/8/2019 at 10:44 AM, JAG said:

Why would anyone wish to leave that great, ever winning nation to go and live in a socialist nightmare with effective universal healthcare, no ambition to police the world, politicians with a passing acquaintance with the truth, a head of government who is actually elected by the people (through a parliament) rather than by an electoral college which apparently discounts the popular vote, and a head of state who communicates other than by frantic tweets?

 

About the only thing going for the place is that they have a sense of humour, and can make a decent cup of tea.

I am putting this up for top contender for post of the year. 

[neeray]

On ‎1‎/‎7‎/‎2019 at 9:31 PM, Samui Bodoh said:

Time for Canada to build that wall!

 

 

 

Canada doesn't do walls.

 

Canada grows through immigration. To wit, I function in a business to business atmosphere, I would estimate over half of my sales in the last couple years are to immigrants (and they're not white).

 

 

[monkeycu]

On ‎1‎/‎8‎/‎2019 at 10:49 AM, thaibeachlovers said:

LOL. If the US is so bad, why are caravans of people walking from central America to try and get in?

I don't think they are having any problems giving out green cards either.

This is just another anti Trump journo writing a pointless piece of not much at all to try and get their anti Trump bias out there.

They are trying to get to Canada for a civilised life

[Hanaguma]

13 hours ago, direction BANGKOK said:

 

I am putting this up for top contender for post of the year. 

Really? As a citizen of Canuckistan, I can tell you that these ideas are not quite all accurate. Yes we have health care. It's good, but not if you actually have an emergency. Waiting times for basic procedures can be months if not years. Hell, the goverment even PUBLISHES the waiting times on their website. For example, the average waiting time to even see an orthopaedic surgeon is about 70 days. After that, from 70 to 180 days for the actual surgery.  Have cataracts? Usual 6 month wait for a first appointment. After that, another 6 months for surgery. If a person wants faster service, if they don't have six months to wait in pain, of course they have an option. It's called "go to the USA". 

 

As for the election of PM Trudeau, he received a total of just under 40% of the popular vote. Yet his party took 184 of 338 seats in Parliament (55% of the total).  That's the system, but I don't find it any more democratic than the US and the Electoral College. 

 

Don't get me wrong, I love my country, but paradise it is not.

[Hanaguma]

4 hours ago, neeray said:

Canada doesn't do walls.

 

Canada grows through immigration. To wit, I function in a business to business atmosphere, I would estimate over half of my sales in the last couple years are to immigrants (and they're not white).

 

 

True, we don't do walls. We have the USA to act as a wall, and the Atlantic/Pacific oceans to act as others. We also don't have 20 million illegal immigrants to deal with, best estimates are something like 100,000. Also, fully 2/3 of the country believes that illegals should be deported. We are actually quite hard-assed on the topic.

 

We welcome educated and qualified people who want to make a better life, and also family members of those who are already here. These days, about 300,000 people per year are admitted- most as economic/business cases, a quarter for family, and about 20% refugees. The largest groups are from India, China, the Philippines, and the UK. 

[stevenl]

1 minute ago, Hanaguma said:

True, we don't do walls. We have the USA to act as a wall, and the Atlantic/Pacific oceans to act as others. We also don't have 20 million illegal immigrants to deal with, best estimates are something like 100,000. Also, fully 2/3 of the country believes that illegals should be deported. We are actually quite hard-assed on the topic.

 

We welcome educated and qualified people who want to make a better life, and also family members of those who are already here. These days, about 300,000 people per year are admitted- most as economic/business cases, a quarter for family, and about 20% refugees. The largest groups are from India, China, the Philippines, and the UK. 

20 million? Better check your numbers and about halve that.

[direction BANGKOK]

8 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

Really? As a citizen of Canuckistan, I can tell you that these ideas are not quite all accurate. Yes we have health care. It's good, but not if you actually have an emergency. Waiting times for basic procedures can be months if not years. Hell, the goverment even PUBLISHES the waiting times on their website. For example, the average waiting time to even see an orthopaedic surgeon is about 70 days. After that, from 70 to 180 days for the actual surgery.  Have cataracts? Usual 6 month wait for a first appointment. After that, another 6 months for surgery. If a person wants faster service, if they don't have six months to wait in pain, of course they have an option. It's called "go to the USA". 

 

As for the election of PM Trudeau, he received a total of just under 40% of the popular vote. Yet his party took 184 of 338 seats in Parliament (55% of the total).  That's the system, but I don't find it any more democratic than the US and the Electoral College. 

 

Don't get me wrong, I love my country, but paradise it is not.

Yes really.

 

Then go to the US. I do not see the problem. The reverse is not true however. See how that works? You can get good care regardless. 

 

Look, like it or not, your "solution" is to have rich people get good care, and poor people no care. Great if you're rich, not so much if you have a single humanitarian bone in your body. 

[Hanaguma]

19 minutes ago, direction BANGKOK said:

Yes really.

 

Then go to the US. I do not see the problem. The reverse is not true however. See how that works? You can get good care regardless. 

 

Look, like it or not, your "solution" is to have rich people get good care, and poor people no care. Great if you're rich, not so much if you have a single humanitarian bone in your body. 

Of course rich people get better care if they choose. They're rich. They should be free to spend their money how they choose. Rich people can also drive better/safer cars, live in bigger/safer houses, eat better/healthier food, and so on. So why shouldn't they be able to spend more on their health and medical care if they wish?

 

My solution would be a hybrid system where public health care covers emergency care and private clinics\doctors have the right to also practice as they choose. A one size fits all system generally fits none. 

 

Are you still a fan of the parliamentary system over the Electoral College, given how skewed the results weere?

[Hanaguma]

16 minutes ago, stevenl said:

20 million? Better check your numbers and about halve that.

Shazbat, you're right, I should have proofread my post. Slipped a digit there. SHould be more like 10 million.  In any case, on a per capita basis it is ten times the number that Canada has. Therefore the impact is also ten times greater. 

[bristolboy]

1 hour ago, Hanaguma said:

Of course rich people get better care if they choose. They're rich. They should be free to spend their money how they choose. Rich people can also drive better/safer cars, live in bigger/safer houses, eat better/healthier food, and so on. So why shouldn't they be able to spend more on their health and medical care if they wish?

 

My solution would be a hybrid system where public health care covers emergency care and private clinics\doctors have the right to also practice as they choose. A one size fits all system generally fits none. 

 

Are you still a fan of the parliamentary system over the Electoral College, given how skewed the results weere?

Actually, that's pretty much the system the US has now. In other words, if you haven't got the money, you have to wait until your health problem becomes an emergency before it gets taken care of. Brilliant plan.

[Hanaguma]

Just now, bristolboy said:

Actually, that's pretty much the system the US has now. In other words, if you haven't got the money, you have to wait until your health problem becomes an emergency before it gets taken care of. Brilliant plan.

Not really. Before the Affordable Care Act, lots of Americans already had health insurance, either through their employer or through Medicare/Medicaid. There was a relatively small percentage that did not, and were at the mercy of the system or charity hospitals and facilities. Like it or not, the American system has also produced the most brilliant physicians and the most cutting edge research in the world. That is why thousands of people a year make the trek to facilities like the Mayo Clinic for treatment.

 

Like I said, I think a hybrid system is probably best. What do YOU suggest? Everyone just shut up and get in line? 

[bristolboy]

1 minute ago, Hanaguma said:

Not really. Before the Affordable Care Act, lots of Americans already had health insurance, either through their employer or through Medicare/Medicaid. There was a relatively small percentage that did not, and were at the mercy of the system or charity hospitals and facilities. Like it or not, the American system has also produced the most brilliant physicians and the most cutting edge research in the world. That is why thousands of people a year make the trek to facilities like the Mayo Clinic for treatment.

 

Like I said, I think a hybrid system is probably best. What do YOU suggest? Everyone just shut up and get in line? 

Gee, wouldn't it be great if there were other economically developed countries out there that actually gave universal health care, had better outcomes, and did it for less than it costs in the USA?