Trump to focus on border 'crisis,' seek support for wall in televised address

[riclag]

Safety First! - PT, 2020

[metisdead]

An inflammatory post has been removed. 

[pedro01]

1 hour ago, stevenl said:

When you say " I find it amusing that this chart is used to 'prove' that illegal immigration should not be tackled. " yes, you're spinning.

 

So why are you not able to counter a single point I raised?

 

You can either debate it or not. You choose not to. Because you cannot.

[riclag]

6 hours ago, Boon Mee said:

The overwhelming majority of the American people support building the Wall so Trump will be able to keep another campaign promise. 

Many American's aren't aware that there is a crisis! The expert's are though. Build the Wall!

SURVEY: 89% of Border Patrol Agents Support Building Trump’s Wall

https://ntknetwork.com/survey-89-of-border-patrol-agents-support-building-trumps-wall/

 

[attrayant]

6 minutes ago, riclag said:

Safety First! - PT, 2020

 

Trump has increased our risk exposure by causing hundreds of TSA workers to stage a sick-out rather than go without pay, thanks to his shut-down.  That means airports around the world are much less safe, thanks to Trump.

 

Safety first  ????

[pedro01]

1 hour ago, attrayant said:

 

Have you ever wondered why the police don't pull you over for going 2 miles over the speed limit?  It's because, even though you're technically breaking the law, but they have limited resources and better things to do with them.  How massive, bloated and expensive would a police force be if it wanted have enough officers to nab every single person who jay-walked, over-tinted their car windows or didn't use their turn signal?

The chart is showing homocides. That is murder. Not quite Jaywalking is it?

[farcanell]

1 hour ago, irwinfc said:

the yellow bars can really go down by curbing illegal immigration. well isn't that a good thing?

Sure... why not?

 

And... the blue bars can really go down by reducing legal immigration... wouldn’t that be a good thing?

 

and the pink bars can really go down by addressing gun control.... wouldn’t that also be a good thing?

 

oh snap.... gun control would probably make all three bars go down... well damn... there’s (arguably) your national emergency

[bristolboy]

5 minutes ago, riclag said:

Many American's aren't aware that there is a crisis! The expert's are though. Build the Wall!

SURVEY: 89% of Border Patrol Agents Support Building Trump’s Wall

https://ntknetwork.com/survey-89-of-border-patrol-agents-support-building-trumps-wall/

 

It was a survey commissioned by the Border Patrol Agents Union. Not an exactly disinterested party. And notice that the calling it a survey, not a poll.

[stevenl]

8 minutes ago, pedro01 said:

 

So why are you not able to counter a single point I raised?

 

You can either debate it or not. You choose not to. Because you cannot.

I am only reacting here to your statement you're not spinning, which was clearly nonsense, as shown by my post.

[attrayant]

5 minutes ago, riclag said:

Many American's aren't aware that there is a crisis! The expert's are though. Build the Wall!

SURVEY: 89% of Border Patrol Agents Support Building Trump’s Wall

 

Survey finds workers are in favor of things that make their job easier.  Who would have guessed?  It's a good thing we don't legislate by taking surveys of tiny slivers of the population.

 

Next survey: 99.9% of vampires in favor of building huge, sun-blocking device.

[keemapoot]

5 minutes ago, riclag said:

Many American's aren't aware that there is a crisis! The expert's are though. Build the Wall!

SURVEY: 89% of Border Patrol Agents Support Building Trump’s Wall

https://ntknetwork.com/survey-89-of-border-patrol-agents-support-building-trumps-wall/

 

That's like asking the military if they need more guns. Of course the answer is always yes. The more precise group to ask is those directly affected by the border, those who live in border states and areas. And, they elect representatives who would be voted out if they don't represent their constituent's view. Every single one of them opposes Trump's plan.

 

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Nine congressional representatives serve the districts that line the 2,000-mile southern border. They are men, women, freshman politicians and Washington veterans. The Democrats among them span liberal ideologies, while one of them is a Republican.

But they all have one thing in common: each is against President Donald Trump's border wall.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trumps-border-wall-every-congressperson-along-southern-border-opposes-border-wall-funding-2019-1-8/

[riclag]

2 minutes ago, attrayant said:

 

Survey finds workers are in favor of things that make their job easier.  Who would have guessed?  It's a good thing we don't legislate by taking surveys of tiny slivers of the population.

 

Next survey: 99.9% of vampires in favor of building huge, sun-blocking device.

Safety First

[farcanell]

9 minutes ago, pedro01 said:

The chart is showing homocides. That is murder. Not quite Jaywalking is it?

LMAO.... more spinning... you can’t help yourself, can you?

 

the chart primarily shows “all crimes” followed by a breakdown into “homicide” and “larceny”.

[riclag]

Source- ABC News 10

Build a great big Wall 

[Berkshire]

16 minutes ago, riclag said:

Many American's aren't aware that there is a crisis! The expert's are though. Build the Wall!

SURVEY: 89% of Border Patrol Agents Support Building Trump’s Wall

https://ntknetwork.com/survey-89-of-border-patrol-agents-support-building-trumps-wall/

 

Your source is a biased right wing site:

 

[An excellent example is how NTK Network routinely reported on the Clinton Uranium story when it has been debunked for several years. Overall, we rate NTK Network Right Biased based on story selection/wording and Mixed for factual reporting due to promotion of debunked stories and use of sources that have failed fact checks.]

 

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/ntk-network/

[welovesundaysatspace]

17 minutes ago, riclag said:

Many American's aren't aware that there is a crisis! The expert's are though. Build the Wall!

SURVEY: 89% of Border Patrol Agents Support Building Trump’s Wall

https://ntknetwork.com/survey-89-of-border-patrol-agents-support-building-trumps-wall/

 

Border patrol agents are experts? For border security you mean? Like the sleeping security guy in front of my condo is an expert on building security?

[KhunFred]

5 hours ago, Emdog said:

In 2014 Obama wanted to give speech about immigration on prime time major networks. They rejected him saying speech would be "too political". Will show Trump because afraid of his tantrums, knew Obama wasn't a man child. How times have changed...

Networks anxious to curry favor with Trump. They are being denied access in many areas.

[farcanell]

 

 

41 minutes ago, riclag said:

Many American's aren't aware that there is a crisis! The expert's are though. Build the Wall!

SURVEY: 89% of Border Patrol Agents Support Building Trump’s Wall

https://ntknetwork.com/survey-89-of-border-patrol-agents-support-building-trumps-wall/

 

From your link above....

 

“The NBPC’s survey, of more than 600 agents in two of the Border Patrol’s busiest sectors, found just the opposite: A stunning 89 percent of line agents say a “wall system in strategic locations is necessary to securing the border.” Just 7 percent disagreed.”

 

well damn.... ain’t it funny that this is exactly what the democrats are proposing... a fence (wall system) in strategic locations, as recommended by border agents, vs along the entire southern border, 

[riclag]

This has been going on for decades! Barriers for borders! 

Source -ABC News 10

[joecoolfrog]

6 hours ago, Boon Mee said:

The overwhelming majority of the American people support building the Wall so Trump will be able to keep another campaign promise. 

You are either deliberately lying or just trolling again , either way it simply illustrates the weakness of Trump's case .

[bristolboy]

10 minutes ago, joecoolfrog said:

You are either deliberately lying or just trolling again , either way it simply illustrates the weakness of Trump's case .

I disagree. It's clear he's deliberately lying and trolling.

[pedro01]

45 minutes ago, attrayant said:

 

Your failure to understand the analogy is unsurprising.

 

Are you seriously suggesting that police forces should continue to hire officers until the murder rate drops to zero?  If you are, then you need to brush up on the law of diminishing returns.

 

To wit: what happens when/if the wall is built but undocumented immigrants still continue to get in (over, under, through) anyway?  Reinforce it?  Double its height?  Build another wall that runs parallel?  All at a cost of billions more.  And even that won't stop all immigrants from getting in.

 

Do you really think $20 billion for a southern border wall is money well spent when most of the immigrants with criminal intent are coming in via air, or crossing the northern border from Canada?

 

The libertarian CATO Institute said that from 1975 through 2017, seven people who entered the U.S. illegally from "special interest" countries — states tied at least loosely to terrorism — were convicted of planning attacks on U.S. soil. None crossed from Mexico. They came from Canada or jumped ship in U.S. ports, and all before special interest countries were classified as such. The plots were foiled and no one was hurt.

 

I am waiting for an analogy from you. They fact you don't know what one is, is also unsurprising.

 

There are 10 million illegal immigrants in the US.

 

So - we are hardly talking about rates 'dropping to zero' are we, Einstein?

[joecoolfrog]

Pretty clear that the speech was a damp squib , wont have convinced anybody outside of his diminishing base. He has really backed himself into a tight corner now , either loses face or tries to impose emergency powers which would finish him completely.

[riclag]

This is another reason why Border barriers and border security is needed ! This has been going on for decades!  Hundreds of  migrants that crossed the USA Mexican border over the years. Most are suspected migrants who have died trying to evade capture after walking through vast  Texas ranch lands!

 

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[JimmyJ]

Stormy Daniels had tweeted "If you're looking for anything even remotely worth watching tonight at 9pm EST [the time the Trump "speech" was scheduled] I will be folding laundry in my underwear for 8 minutes on Instagram live."

 

And she did. Sat on her bed wearing a purple bra and folded clothes.

Several tweeted "Thank you for your service".

At the end of the stream she opened a bag of Flamin’ Hot Cheetos in bed.

 

She's now tweeted that she had 100k viewers.

 

 

 

[spidermike007]

4 hours ago, mcambl61 said:

So playing the white man bad shtick, while thinking several hundred of miles of open borders and the drug and human smuggling that goes with it should just be ignored, and then if you disagree, you are of course a racist and ignorant, because you say so.

 

 

 

Just stating a fact about white men, one that is overlooked in the current political environment, that insists on the knighting of all things white. There are alot of bad white men out there. Several hundred miles of open borders has resulted in a dramatic drop in illegal immigration over the past 20 years. This is anything but a crisis we are facing. Now, if you want to talk about a real crisis, we can talk about the presidency, a man who chooses to put nearly a million Americans out of work over his own ego, political agenda, and base of supporters, or the broken immigration (legal immigration) system, or the massive tax hikes imposed on the US, in the form of tariffs, or the unstable economy, or a host of other real crisis areas facing America. 

 

Human smuggling will happen with or without the wall. Corrupt border agents, tunnels, and other methods will continue to be used. 

[direction BANGKOK]

Ok, number one, why are so many people just seeming to wake up to the fact that Trump is a lying train wreck? He has been this way since he has been in office. Why in the heck is it just hitting people? 

 

#2 the thing about the paycheck not flowing. There are these things called credit cards. I suppose a mortgage would be hard to pay by credit card but the whole notion of putting food on the table seems a bit odd. I don't mean to monimize their blight but it seems to me if you are having other worldly troubles because you miss one paycheck that is on you to a large extent. Again, credit cards. 

 

 

[bungcheese]

8 hours ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/01/08/your-fact-checking-cheat-sheet-trumps-immigration-address/?utm_term=.4af98fbfda7d&tid=sm_ig&utm_source=soldsie&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=190109_yourfact-checkingcheatsheetfortrump’simmigrationaddress&noredirect=on

Tough to associate the Washington Post with proper fact checking? https://www.dailywire.com/news/14275/11-humongous-lies-told-washington-posts-phony-fact-john-nolte

[DM07]

12 minutes ago, direction BANGKOK said:

Ok, number one, why are so many people just seeming to wake up to the fact that Trump is a lying train wreck? He has been this way since he has been in office. Why in the heck is it just hitting people? 

 

#2 the thing about the paycheck not flowing. There are these things called credit cards. I suppose a mortgage would be hard to pay by credit card but the whole notion of putting food on the table seems a bit odd. I don't mean to monimize their blight but it seems to me if you are having other worldly troubles because you miss one paycheck that is on you to a large extent. Again, credit cards. 

 

 

Ok...number 1...it is hitting nobody!

What the hell are you talking about!

 

#2: You ARE minimizing their plight!

Have a look at what time we are talking about: Christmas and New years...by far the most expensive dates of the year!

And: will the government take over the interest rates of the credit- cards?

Last time I checked, 1 Dollar on a CC- bill, does not equal 1 Dollar cash!

 

 

[DM07]

Just now, bungcheese said:

Tough to associate the Washington Post with proper fact checking? https://www.dailywire.com/news/14275/11-humongous-lies-told-washington-posts-phony-fact-john-nolte

Daily Wire!

Ben Shapiro!

Seriously???

 

How about some Info Wars and Alex Jones!

Or Breitbart?

 

Jeeeezus!