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Just now, German farang said:

There's one more question to answer: how the <deleted>*** was it possible for any Saudi-official to enter the transit area & confiscate her passport? Without any support of the thai immi??? 

That's -at least- strange!!!

And:  how could she checkin the hotel without an passport???

Who is here playing foul games with the public (& this poor girl)???

It was a Security Officer for Kuwait Airlines who seized her passport, likely he has a airline pass. he in turn gave it to the Saudis.

 

He is clearly identified in her twitter feed.

 

Check in, I don't know but sounds like same airline security officer escorted her to the hotel and asked them to check her in.

 

As the Saudis later complained it did not occur to him (fortunately) to seize her phone.

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26 minutes ago, German farang said:

There's one more question to answer: how the <deleted>*** was it possible for any Saudi-official to enter the transit area & confiscate her passport? Without any support of the thai immi???  

Somebody wrote in one of the other topics that embassies can issue something like a "special access pass" to their employees with which they can enter the transit area of the airport to welcome important guests. I don't know if this is true or not, but even if it would not be, the Saudis could contact one of their embassies in any country close to Thailand and have somebody take a flight to BKK, then they have somebody in the transit area within a few hours without needing any special privileges.

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1 hour ago, trainman34014 said:

Many moons ago i arrived in Thailand on a single ticket on at least three occasions and was never once asked if i had a return or onward ticket prior to boarding in Europe or on arrival here.   The rule may well be on the books but it doesn't mean it is always enforced or bothered with.

In light of recent events hold that result.

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I flew Kuwait airways back here in November checking tickets and passports are a low priority emptying your bags and thieving your possessions on the 4 ridiculous security checks for transferring passengers is the main aim its a shambles the minute you set foot in Kuwait and Aprils return in the balance for me stay away the worst airport in the world by a country mile????

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I have done some work for refugees. There is a lot of fraud that goes on. Especially by excited, sympathetic young women looking to change their lives.

We don’t know if this woman’s story is true. However, no one would have ever had the chance to investigate her story if not for 1. social media and 2. Thailand’s ongoing cooperation with UNHRC and other NGO’s.

It is easy to bash the junta - their handling of the press is constantly tragi-comic - but there is a reason this young woman flew to Thailand, instead of Laos, Cambodia, Myanmar, Malaysia or Vietnam. It can be a messy country, but we really are doing better than the neighbors.


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54 minutes ago, KhunBENQ said:

Saudia Arabia forbids it's citizen travel to Thailand. Shouldn't this be a concern for Kuwait Airlines too?

Saudi Arabia doesn't forbid its citizens to travel to Thailand. They do require them to seek permission before traveling there - which, according to what a number of Saudis have told me, is relatively easy to get.

 

Even if Saudi did forbid its citizens to travel to Thailand, I don't see why it should be a concern for Kuwait Airlines. It's not their job to enforce Saudi government guidelines.

 

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7 minutes ago, SuperTed said:

I have done some work for refugees. There is a lot of fraud that goes on. Especially by excited, sympathetic young women looking to change their lives.

We don’t know if this woman’s story is true. However, no one would have ever had the chance to investigate her story if not for 1. social media and 2. Thailand’s ongoing cooperation with UNHRC and other NGO’s.

It is easy to bash the junta - their handling of the press is constantly tragi-comic - but there is a reason this young woman flew to Thailand, instead of Laos, Cambodia, Myanmar, Malaysia or Vietnam. It can be a messy country, but we really are doing better than the neighbors.


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UNHCR has already ruled that she is a legitimate refugee after reviewing the case.

 

Pretty easy conclusion since it doesn't need to depend on the truth of her story about what she went through in Saudi,  Having publicly renounced Islam, travelled alone without "permission", and appeared unveiled in public (videotaped and photographed) with unrelated males, as well as made widely publicized statements critical of the Kingdom --  these things alone have ruled out a safe return to Saudi. She's headed for a legal death sentence if an informal one is not enacted by her family first for these things alone.

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1 hour ago, KhunBENQ said:

A s... airline to the max.

Absolutely correct K BENQ, but as you probably already know, the only reason Kuwait even exists as a nation state is because of British Petroleum or BP as they are now known. So what do you expect from a servile bunch of nomads squatting on their corner of a misbegotten peninsula by virtue of the gift of a flag?

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19 minutes ago, SuperTed said:

but there is a reason this young woman flew to Thailand, instead of Laos, Cambodia, Myanmar, Malaysia or Vietnam. It can be a messy country, but we really are doing better than the neighbors.

That there are no flights from Kuwait to Laos, Cambodia, Myanmar, Malaysia or Vietnam might have played a big role ????

If you look at the connections from Kuwait, assume you don't want to fly to a muslim country and assuming a visa for the EU or USA is more difficult than for Australia, you are left with India, Sri Lanka, Thailand and Philipines, i assume BKK has the most flights to Australia

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1 minute ago, jackdd said:

That there are no flights from Kuwait to Laos, Cambodia, Myanmar, Malaysia or Vietnam might have played a big role ????

Really?

 

I can find flights to 5 airports in Malaysia and Vietnam, 2 airports in Myanamar, 2 airports in Cambodia, only Laos I can't find right away.

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1 hour ago, German farang said:

There's one more question to answer: how the <deleted>*** was it possible for any Saudi-official to enter the transit area & confiscate her passport? Without any support of the thai immi??? 

That's -at least- strange!!!

And:  how could she checkin the hotel without an passport???

Who is here playing foul games with the public (& this poor girl)???

The whole premise of her passport being seized by a 'Saudi official' is solely based on her panicked communications on social media. I am not denying that her family, the Saudi legation in Bangkok, Thai Immigration and Kuwait airlines representatives inserted themselves in the equation but the specifics of who exactly did what will probably be buried.

 

The 'hotel' in question is the Miracle Suites which is a transit facility that is 'airside' of Thai Immigration, ie. she never entered the country. Allegedly she was escorted there for detention until the next available Kuwait flight. She was assuredly checked-in under the good word of Thai Immigration and Kuwait Airlines with the latter getting the bill.

 

I think there's a whole lot of smoke, mirrors and obfuscation by all parties involved here, including the 'suddenly apostate' young traveler.

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51 minutes ago, jackdd said:

Somebody wrote in one of the other topics that embassies can issue something like a "special access pass" to their employees with which they can enter the transit area of the airport to welcome important guests. I don't know if this is true or not, but even if it would not be, the Saudis could contact one of their embassies in any country close to Thailand and have somebody take a flight to BKK, then they have somebody in the transit area within a few hours without needing any special privileges.

Yes jack, the Saudi's recently had a whole 15-man team of thugs and assassins fly into Ankara under diplomatic cover to carry out what they deemed was necessary to maintain the status quo. Yes, they didn't top anyone airside at the airport but they could have. The whole diplomatic immunity thing is wrought with abuse.

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The only thing in this article that needs attention is the fact that immigration laws are 40 Years old and totally outdated.

Secondly if it is true that she was apprehended by Saudis airside then we are talking a serious security problem.

They had no right or official business to be there just because the abusive father and brother wanted her apprehended.

 

The only ones able to stop her should have been Thai authorities assessing the case.

 

Especially Saudi officials have lost all credibility after murdering Kashoggi in Istanbul and should be subject to special searches at every airport in the world and certainly not allowed airside.

 

She is under the care of the UNHCR now and hopefully she makes it out safely.

If not to Australia I am sure the Canadians would take her and give the Saudis an additional slap in the face after the recent unpleasant events between the two countries!

 

Just read on Twitter - She has been recognized as a refugee by the UN and will be referred to Australia.

Looks like she made it!

 

 

 

 

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15 minutes ago, janclaes47 said:

Really?

 

I can find flights to 5 airports in Malaysia and Vietnam, 2 airports in Myanamar, 2 airports in Cambodia, only Laos I can't find right away.

Wikipedia doesn't show any: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuwait_International_Airport#Airlines_and_destinations

Google flights doesn't show any: https://www.google.com/flights?lite=0#flt=KWI..2019-01-25;c:THB;e:1;s:0;sd:1;er:-131268695.671025391.366628744.1542900391;t:e;tt:o

Yes really, i'm quite sure that there are none and you probably looked up connections through other countries (most of them probably through BKK)

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1 hour ago, KhunBENQ said:

1) Saudia Arabia forbids it's citizen travel to Thailand. Shouldn't this be a concern for Kuwait Airlines too?

 

Actually Saudis are allowed to travel to Thailand for 3 exceptions under saudi law.

 

1. to visit family

2. to seek medical treatment

3. during transit to a 3rd country.

 

so if she did show an onward ticket in kuwait the airline was operatong correctly. Option 3 seems very plausible and supports her claim. 

 

Traveling without her families permission as she is female has no bearing in Thailand as Thai law not Saudi law is the law we are all subject to once we arrive here.

 

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31 minutes ago, Sheryl said:

Having publicly renounced Islam, travelled alone without "permission", and appeared unveiled in public (videotaped and photographed) with unrelated males,

She has even been pictured for all posterity shaking hands in public with Major General Surachate Hakpal, a non-family member, at the airport.

 

That should be count for at least a good flogging back home.

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Before everyone does the big dislike hits.... I have posted a few times in support of this young lady's situation. I'm just reminding folk of Hakeem Al- Araibi. Man currently being held by Thai. Already has asylum status and has been living in au last few years. Held on bogus red flag. Lot to that story. He is 26 not 18 and not pretty young lady. Been banged up since November.

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11 minutes ago, NanLaew said:

Correct. But it forbids it's female citizenry to go outside the family home without a male guardian.

Good point. Seriously f...upped country. If this lady is granted asylum by au or another country (I hope so) then get ready for all many women from that regime looking for greener (freedom) pastures

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43 minutes ago, janclaes47 said:

Really?

 

I can find flights to 5 airports in Malaysia and Vietnam, 2 airports in Myanamar, 2 airports in Cambodia, only Laos I can't find right away.

So can I but then factor in what their visa regulations are for Saudi's without return tickets and which ones are (secular) Muslim and maybe the options tend to vaporize. Don't waste time with Laos.

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The penalty for Muslims, disobeying the rules or wanting out of that religion is death in the most brutal fashions possible or what they consider are honour killings. These people are fanatics and believe this is allah`s will, especially strict towards females.

 

If or once this girl obtains asylum somewhere, the floodgates will be open and can expect thousands or even millions more to follow.

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OK

 

Let me see if I have this straight.

 

Mom and Dad raise their daughter to be a good Muslim ( not terrorist)

As is common she is promised in marriage to a boy who I assume will bring wealth and good things to the marriage and family.

She does not want this so sneaks away probably with dad's CC and buys a ticket to Australia, Thailand or wherever the next flight out was.

Supposedly someone from either the Saudi Embassy or Kuwait air steal her passport.

S She lands in Thailand with her stuff and de3cides that instead of going on to Austalia as she is scheduled she is going to cancel that ticket, give up her plan to go to Australia at the moment and with no money, no plan no one to help her she is going to stay and travel around Thailand for a few days.

So with no money no passport and no means of any kind to fend for herself she approaches Thai immigration.

 

Then when she finds out that she is not going to be allowed into Thailand is out in transient accommodations.

Now as a teenager that has run away from mom and dad she is scared.

Let's face it she has really just as I would think any teens parents rightfully pissed them off.

OK so let me see

I am not Muslim BUT

if my daughter ran away caused me financial grief and said that I beat her and abused her and was forcing her into a marriage would I be upset.

HELL YES

Could she expect to be punished when we got home?

 

DAMN right skippy.

Should she be scared?  

 

So Kuwait is supposed to have stolen her passport and or let her board a pane when she had little paperwork.

 

I lived in Pakistan and can tell you that there are more people than you would think that try this The British Air flight from Islamabad to Heathrow you to have many passports in its toilet waste.

 

Sorry, nothing new here.

 

 

 

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21 minutes ago, kingstonkid said:

OK

 

Let me see if I have this straight.

 

Mom and Dad raise their daughter to be a good Muslim ( not terrorist)

As is common she is promised in marriage to a boy who I assume will bring wealth and good things to the marriage and family.

She does not want this so sneaks away probably with dad's CC and buys a ticket to Australia, Thailand or wherever the next flight out was.

Supposedly someone from either the Saudi Embassy or Kuwait air steal her passport.

S She lands in Thailand with her stuff and de3cides that instead of going on to Austalia as she is scheduled she is going to cancel that ticket, give up her plan to go to Australia at the moment and with no money, no plan no one to help her she is going to stay and travel around Thailand for a few days.

So with no money no passport and no means of any kind to fend for herself she approaches Thai immigration.

 

Then when she finds out that she is not going to be allowed into Thailand is out in transient accommodations.

Now as a teenager that has run away from mom and dad she is scared.

Let's face it she has really just as I would think any teens parents rightfully pissed them off.

OK so let me see

I am not Muslim BUT

if my daughter ran away caused me financial grief and said that I beat her and abused her and was forcing her into a marriage would I be upset.

HELL YES

Could she expect to be punished when we got home?

 

DAMN right skippy.

Should she be scared?  

 

So Kuwait is supposed to have stolen her passport and or let her board a pane when she had little paperwork.

 

I lived in Pakistan and can tell you that there are more people than you would think that try this The British Air flight from Islamabad to Heathrow you to have many passports in its toilet waste.

 

Sorry, nothing new here.

 

 

 

Short answer.

You haven't got it straight.

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14 hours ago, Sheryl said:

To think when I saw the headline, I actually thought Thailand was complaining over the fact that a Security officer from Kuwait airlines accosted this woman in the transit area of a Thai airport and seized her passport (apparently at Saudi request, handing it over to the Saudi Embassy), a clear violation of Thai soveregnity.

 

Silly, silly me.

I thought exactly the same thing. Silly us.

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51 minutes ago, kingstonkid said:

OK

 

Let me see if I have this straight.

 

Mom and Dad raise their daughter to be a good Muslim ( not terrorist)

As is common she is promised in marriage to a boy who I assume will bring wealth and good things to the marriage and family.

She does not want this so sneaks away probably with dad's CC and buys a ticket to Australia, Thailand or wherever the next flight out was.

Supposedly someone from either the Saudi Embassy or Kuwait air steal her passport.

S She lands in Thailand with her stuff and de3cides that instead of going on to Austalia as she is scheduled she is going to cancel that ticket, give up her plan to go to Australia at the moment and with no money, no plan no one to help her she is going to stay and travel around Thailand for a few days.

So with no money no passport and no means of any kind to fend for herself she approaches Thai immigration.

 

Then when she finds out that she is not going to be allowed into Thailand is out in transient accommodations.

Now as a teenager that has run away from mom and dad she is scared.

Let's face it she has really just as I would think any teens parents rightfully pissed them off.

OK so let me see

I am not Muslim BUT

if my daughter ran away caused me financial grief and said that I beat her and abused her and was forcing her into a marriage would I be upset.

HELL YES

Could she expect to be punished when we got home?

 

DAMN right skippy.

Should she be scared?  

 

So Kuwait is supposed to have stolen her passport and or let her board a pane when she had little paperwork.

 

I lived in Pakistan and can tell you that there are more people than you would think that try this The British Air flight from Islamabad to Heathrow you to have many passports in its toilet waste.

 

Sorry, nothing new here.

 

 

 

Wake up, boy!

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