webfact Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 Trump storms out of talks on shutdown, bemoans 'total waste of time' By Richard Cowan and Alexandra Alper U.S. President Donald Trump talks to reporters as Vice President Mike Pence looks on as the president departs after addressing a closed Senate Republican policy lunch while a partial government shutdown enters its 19th day on Capitol Hill in Washington, U.S., January 9, 2019. REUTERS/Jim Young WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. President Donald Trump stormed out of talks with Democratic congressional leaders on Wednesday over funding for a border wall with Mexico and reopening the government, complaining the meeting in the White House was "a total waste of time." On the 19th day of a partial government shutdown caused by the dispute over the wall, a short meeting that included Trump, Senate Democratic leader Chuck Schumer and House of Representatives Speaker Nancy Pelosi ended in acrimony with no sign of a resolution. "Just left a meeting with Chuck and Nancy, a total waste of time," Trump wrote on Twitter. "I asked what is going to happen in 30 days if I quickly open things up, are you going to approve Border Security which includes a Wall or Steel Barrier?" Trump wrote. "Nancy said, NO. I said bye-bye, nothing else works!" Exasperated Democrats called Trump's behaviour a "temper tantrum" and said the meeting broke down when they refused to commit to funding his proposed southern border wall. Trump's desire for a wall between the United States and Mexico was a central theme of his 2016 presidential campaign. Schumer told reporters that Trump asked Pelosi if she would fund his wall. "She said no. And he just got up and said: 'Then we have nothing to discuss,' and he just walked out." "Again, we saw a temper tantrum because he couldn't get his way," Schumer added. "That is sad and unfortunate. We want to come to an agreement. We believe in border security. We have different views." The breakdown in talks could strengthen the possibility that Trump will declare a national emergency to build a wall on the southern border if no deal with Congress can be reached on his request for $5.7 billion (4.5 billion pounds) for the project. Earlier on Wednesday, Trump said he had the authority to declare a national emergency that would let him pay for the wall with military funds. Vice President Mike Pence told reporters that Trump is still considering that option. Asked what Trump had gained by walking out of the talks, Pence said: "I think the president made his position very clear today: that there will be no deal without a wall." Shortly after the White House meeting broke up, the Democratic-majority House of Representatives voted to pass legislation to end a partial shutdown of the Treasury Department and some other agencies that have been closed since Dec. 22, without money for the wall. But there was no indication that the Senate, controlled by Trump's fellow Republicans, would allow a vote on the bill. Democrats are eager to force Republicans to choose between funding the Treasury's Internal Revenue Service - at a time when it should be gearing up to issue tax refunds to millions of Americans - and voting to keep it partially shuttered. In a countermove, the Trump administration said that even without a new shot of funding, the IRS would somehow make sure those refund checks get sent. Trump attended a lunch meeting of Senate Republicans on Wednesday and emerged to declare unwavering support for the tough stance he has taken on funds for the wall. Asked if he got the impression in the meeting that the shutdown would end soon, Republican Senator Tim Scott said: "I did not. I think we're going to be here a while." DEMOCRATIC TACTICS Pelosi plans more votes this week that one-by-one would provide money to operate departments ranging from Homeland Security and Justice to State, Agriculture, Commerce and Labor. Able to get the bills through the House because of the Democratic majority, Pelosi is hoping some Senate Republicans back her up and abandon Trump's wall gambit. The political manoeuvring comes amid a rising public backlash over the suspension of government activities that has resulted in the layoffs of hundreds of thousands of federal workers. Other "essential" employees are being required to report to work, but without pay for the time being. On Thursday, Trump travels to the border to highlight what he calls an immigration "crisis." With tempers running high over Trump's demand for $5.7 billion just for this year to fund wall construction, there are doubts Pelosi's plan will succeed in forcing the Senate to act. McConnell has not budged from his hard line of refusing to bring up any government funding bill without Trump's backing even as a few members of his caucus have called for an end to the standoff. The funding fight stems from Congress' inability to complete work by a deadline last September on funding all government agencies. It did, however, appropriate money for about 75 percent of the government on time - mainly military and health-related programs. U.S. airport security workers and air traffic controllers working without pay have warned that security and safety could be compromised if the shutdown continues, but the Trump administration said staffing is adequate and travellers have not faced unusual delays. Union officials said some TSA officers have already quit because of the shutdown and many are considering quitting. Ratings agency Fitch warned that it could cut the U.S. triple-A sovereign debt credit rating later this year if the shutdown proves prolonged and Congress fails to raise the legal limit on the national debt in a timely manner. (Reporting by Richard Cowan; Additional reporting by Amanda Becker, Roberta Rampton, David Morgan and Susan Heavey in Washington and Helen Reid in London; Writing by John Whitesides; Editing by Alistair Bell and Peter Cooney) -- © Copyright Reuters 2019-01-10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samui Bodoh Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 The master negotiator/deal-maker strikes again! What a result! (Sadly, I need to point out that I am being sarcastic. Sigh...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopDeadSenter Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 Good to see Trump keeping his word. He will not back down on this, and nor should he. In the end, Obama and his teleprompter said it best. “We simply cannot allow people to pour into the United States undetected, undocumented, unchecked and circumventing the line of people who are waiting patiently, diligently and lawfully to become immigrants into this country.” Get it built Trump, nice and high and long. It is not an exaggeration to say the survival of the USA depends on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 51 minutes ago, TopDeadSenter said: Good to see Trump keeping his word. He will not back down on this, and nor should he. In the end, Obama and his teleprompter said it best. “We simply cannot allow people to pour into the United States undetected, undocumented, unchecked and circumventing the line of people who are waiting patiently, diligently and lawfully to become immigrants into this country.” Get it built Trump, nice and high and long. It is not an exaggeration to say the survival of the USA depends on it. Trump has backed himself into a corner from which there is no escape, Laughably its a corner is in his own wall that he can’t get built. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boon Mee Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 Storms out? 555 He just walked out of the meeting after Chuck and Nancy refused to compromise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thailand Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 The man child with access to a nuclear trigger, amazing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lungstib Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 I 1 hour ago, TopDeadSenter said: Get it built Trump, nice and high and long. It is not an exaggeration to say the survival of the USA depends on it. I hate to pour water on the fireworks but I think you may be forgetting something: According to the US Census (which compiles geographical data from multiple government agencies), the general coastline of the entire US is 12,383 miles, while the shoreline is 88,633 miles. Then there is the Canadian border, Wikipedia says 8,891 km (5,525 miles). Got any more bright ideas? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riclag Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 1 hour ago, TopDeadSenter said: Good to see Trump keeping his word. He will not back down on this, and nor should he. In the end, Obama and his teleprompter said it best. “We simply cannot allow people to pour into the United States undetected, undocumented, unchecked and circumventing the line of people who are waiting patiently, diligently and lawfully to become immigrants into this country.” Get it built Trump, nice and high and long. It is not an exaggeration to say the survival of the USA depends on it. There is a choice! America is on a 3 week Shut down issue or facing America's decades long crisis at hand, with illegals,human trafficking ,drug's and gang member's coming through the Southern Border. America has a safety and a sovereign priority at the Southern Border ! Build a barrier or a wall! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lacessit Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 It's going to get interesting. The Democrats have no reason to give Trump wiggle room. He was the one who said he would be proud to own the shutdown. It's all another lie anyway. The funding Trump wants for his wall is only sufficient for one-fifth of the total wall distance required. East Germans must be ROFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 This wall. Mexico’s paying for it, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tug Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 With all due respect topdeadsender the last time I looked the USA is a democracy it isent Donald’s fiefdom this shutdown is on Donald the dems tryed to re introduce a republican bill that was agreed to before Fox News said no so Donald folded like a cheep tent now the price of his incompetence is 800,000 people out of work the dude is a weak coward.this isent a game of winning ita a game of governess something Donald has proven time and again he doesent know how Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lacessit Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 2 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said: This wall. Mexico’s paying for it, right? Of course they are. Donald said they would, so it must be true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KittenKong Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 Trump .... a 'total waste of time' Cant argue with that. Finally he got something right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Somtamnication Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 Little Orange Man did not get his ice cream. What a joke! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neeray Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 Gawd, it's so entertaining to see Mr Genius Deal Maker squirm and throw tantrums with his back up against the WALL. And all he can think about is how disappointed his base will be and HIS senators if he doesn't get his wall (yes, the one that Mexico was supposed to pay for). Heh, Mr Deal Maker, don't worry about those 800,000 that you've put out of work, or the contractors who are affected too, or all those services that people need, some desperately, from their American government and can't get right now. This man-child has a lot on his plate. Today I hear that the Mueller report will be released in February. Can't wait ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theguyfromanotherforum Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 59 minutes ago, Thailand said: The man child with access to a nuclear trigger, amazing! I don't get this comparison. Please bash Trump for many of his shortcomings, but there are world leaders that have the same access and are truly dangerous. He is a white capitalist and will want his dynasty to do on. No chance in hell he would start a nuclear war - ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
attrayant Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 47 minutes ago, riclag said: There is a choice! America is on a 3 week Shut down issue or facing America's decades long crisis at hand, with illegals,human trafficking ,drug's and gang member's coming through the Southern Border. America has a safety and a sovereign priority at the Southern Border ! Build a barrier or a wall! Here's what that "decades long crisis" looks like: In other words, it's virtually non-existent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lacessit Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 3 minutes ago, theguyfromanotherforum said: I don't get this comparison. Please bash Trump for many of his shortcomings, but there are world leaders that have the same access and are truly dangerous. He is a white capitalist and will want his dynasty to do on. No chance in hell he would start a nuclear war - ever. I don't know how you can be sure of this opinion. The other world leaders you refer to are cold and calculating. Trump is impulsive and vindictive. IMHO he is just as dangerous = in a different way - w.r.to nuclear weapons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wayned Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 It was just a political stunt! He set up the meeting with the intention of walking out stating that the Dems wouldn't negotiate. He asked Pelosi if he agreed to opening the government if she would approve the 5.6 billion for the border wall at the end of 30 days and she said no! If she had said okay without any concessions he would have won and only delayed the money for 30 days. She's not an idiot and this is exactly how Trump would grift a flunkie on a real estate deal! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neeray Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 15 minutes ago, theguyfromanotherforum said: I don't get this comparison. Please bash Trump for many of his shortcomings, but there are world leaders that have the same access and are truly dangerous. He is a white capitalist and will want his dynasty to do on. No chance in hell he would start a nuclear war - ever. Impulsiveness ! Deflection ! Scorched earth mentality ! Selfishness ! Payback (Trump-style) ! Keep an eye on his Twitter feed for a split second heads up (then put your head down). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keemapoot Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 28 minutes ago, neeray said: Gawd, it's so entertaining to see Mr Genius Deal Maker squirm and throw tantrums with his back up against the WALL. And all he can think about is how disappointed his base will be and HIS senators if he doesn't get his wall (yes, the one that Mexico was supposed to pay for). Heh, Mr Deal Maker, don't worry about those 800,000 that you've put out of work, or the contractors who are affected too, or all those services that people need, some desperately, from their American government and can't get right now. This man-child has a lot on his plate. Today I hear that the Mueller report will be released in February. Can't wait ! Yeah, the Mueller thing appears ready to come to a head soon as Rod Rosenstein (who has overseen Mueller's investigation) has announced he is resigning soon. He would not have done this unless this thing is ready to wrap up as he wanted to ride herd to ensure justice is served. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slip Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 2 hours ago, TopDeadSenter said: Good to see Trump keeping his word. He will not back down on this, and nor should he. In the end, Obama and his teleprompter said it best. “We simply cannot allow people to pour into the United States undetected, undocumented, unchecked and circumventing the line of people who are waiting patiently, diligently and lawfully to become immigrants into this country.” Get it built Trump, nice and high and long. It is not an exaggeration to say the survival of the USA depends on it. Well, we can agree that it isn't an exaggeration. It's a lie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Becker Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 28 minutes ago, theguyfromanotherforum said: I don't get this comparison. Please bash Trump for many of his shortcomings, but there are world leaders that have the same access and are truly dangerous. He is a white capitalist and will want his dynasty to do on. No chance in hell he would start a nuclear war - ever. Mentally he is a particularly nasty, vindictive and narcissistic child and you don't give such a creature access to guns, let alone nuclear triggers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Becker Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 1 hour ago, riclag said: There is a choice! America is on a 3 week Shut down issue or facing America's decades long crisis at hand, with illegals,human trafficking ,drug's and gang member's coming through the Southern Border. America has a safety and a sovereign priority at the Southern Border ! Build a barrier or a wall! The wall will be built just as soon as Mexico forks up the dough so that is obviously right around the corner! PS. Why are you also starting to call it a "barrier"? He promised a wall, a big tall beautiful wall, not some puny liberal barrier!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berkshire Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 1 hour ago, riclag said: There is a choice! America is on a 3 week Shut down issue or facing America's decades long crisis at hand, with illegals,human trafficking ,drug's and gang member's coming through the Southern Border. America has a safety and a sovereign priority at the Southern Border ! Build a barrier or a wall! If all you're going to do is parrot Trump's false talking points, you're going to sound really silly. Heck, even Fox News fact-checked Trump's address about the wall and found it to be mostly lies.... [And on Fox, anchor Shepard Smith did not let the president get away with his lies.] https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-gets-instant-fact-check-from-fox-news-shepard-smith-after-oval-office-speech Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Credo Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 The shutdown is hurting a lot of people and the numbers harmed grows daily: 'Everybody is impacted': The shutdown is ruining Trump's big farmer bailout Farmers affected by the U.S.-China trade war tariffs thought relief was on the way after the Trump administration extended the deadline for financial aid. But the government shutdown means these farmers are not receiving their payments. On top of that, farmers can’t even apply for loans for next season. The U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA)’s farmer bailout program involved two installments. https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/everybody-impacted-shutdown-ruining-trumps-big-farmer-bailout-222417790.html Coast Guard tells employees going without pay because of shutdown to have a GARAGE SALE or offer to do some babysitting Thousands of civilians working for the US Coast Guard who are being affected by the ongoing government shutdown were advised to find supplemental income during their furlough by holding a garage sale, baby sitting or dog-walking. Others money-making ideas listed on a tip sheet compiled by the Coast Guard Support Program included selling 'unwanted, large ticket items through the newspaper'; house-sitting; turning a hobby into income; offering music lessons, and lastly, becoming a mystery shopper. 'Retailer are desperate to check how their in-store customer service is and will employee you to shop and rate their service,' the tip sheet promised. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6574843/Coast-Guard-tells-employees-going-without-pay-shutdown-garage-sale.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
attrayant Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 The best part of Trump temper tantrums is the critical reviews afterwards: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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bristolboy Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 3 hours ago, TopDeadSenter said: Good to see Trump keeping his word. He will not back down on this, and nor should he. In the end, Obama and his teleprompter said it best. “We simply cannot allow people to pour into the United States undetected, undocumented, unchecked and circumventing the line of people who are waiting patiently, diligently and lawfully to become immigrants into this country.” Get it built Trump, nice and high and long. It is not an exaggeration to say the survival of the USA depends on it. When illegal immigration via the southern border was more than 4 times as high as it is now, somehow the USA managed to survive. And over the past few years there has actually been a small decline in resident illegal immigrants. Currently roughly 3 percent in a nation of 350 million. Clearly the USA is doomed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HAKAPALITA Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 Imagine a government shutdown here. How long would it be before anyone noticed... So when you finished whining about the Border, elected president, what would yo do to stop illegals , drugs ect, seems to me you give your nation away let the worlds dregs wander in like the English/EU do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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