Corbyn to call for UK election if May loses Brexit vote - Labour

[BobBKK]

May must be SO grateful that she hasn't got a real leader of the opposition. Blair would have had her chopped up as mincemeat long before now.  She's being really stupid just call another VOTE it's not rocket science.

[cooked]

Some day a party will maybe be formed that has the sole intention of introducing proportional representation. Get voted in, change the law, declare a new general election. 

[melvinmelvin]

3 minutes ago, BobBKK said:

May must be SO grateful that she hasn't got a real leader of the opposition. Blair would have had her chopped up as mincemeat long before now.  She's being really stupid just call another VOTE it's not rocket science.

it didn't go too well last time she did

 

[BobBKK]

Just now, melvinmelvin said:

it didn't go too well last time she did

 

That's right she scrapped in with Ulsters help. Things are SO BAD that the British will only very, very reluctantly vote for her because the alternative is so dire. I like Corbyn he's a man of principal but a PM he is not.

[melvinmelvin]

3 minutes ago, BobBKK said:

That's right she scrapped in with Ulsters help. Things are SO BAD that the British will only very, very reluctantly vote for her because the alternative is so dire. I like Corbyn he's a man of principal but a PM he is not.

 

maybe he beats PM

 

May is no man at all, has some balls though

lacks integrety

durty cuffs

lacks principals

not much of a PM either

 

 

[Guest]

23 minutes ago, cooked said:

Polls have shown that even more would vote leave in a second referendum than last time. Sort of "up yours boyo. we already told you".

 

[Snow Leopard]

11 minutes ago, BobBKK said:

That's right she scrapped in with Ulsters help. Things are SO BAD that the British will only very, very reluctantly vote for her because the alternative is so dire. I like Corbyn he's a man of principal but a PM he is not.

And the Ulsters are not British then? 

[Snow Leopard]

I feel that Corbyn will be annihilated if he does this. Has the man no morals at all?  

[melvinmelvin]

9 minutes ago, Snow Leopard said:

I feel that Corbyn will be annihilated if he does this. Has the man no morals at all?  

 

silly question, he is a UK politician (joke)

 

seriously;

I do not see that this has to do with morals

a non conf motion is a tool in the MP toolbox

a fairly honest doing to use that tool - in my view

 

[Snow Leopard]

3 minutes ago, melvinmelvin said:

 

silly question, he is a UK politician (joke)

 

seriously;

I do not see that this has to do with morals

a non conf motion is a tool in the MP toolbox

a fairly honest doing to use that tool - in my view

 

Yes but it's not really in the spirit of things in this case. It is quite clearly a power grab. The outcome of which will see this turmoil and twilight zone continue. Along with the 30 pieces of silver, he would surely collect. Leave this fight for another day.  

[melvinmelvin]

27 minutes ago, Snow Leopard said:

Yes but it's not really in the spirit of things in this case. It is quite clearly a power grab. The outcome of which will see this turmoil and twilight zone continue. Along with the 30 pieces of silver, he would surely collect. Leave this fight for another day.  

you are more patient and tolerant than I

 

where I do not understand Corbyn is that he links ditching TM to her may-deal flying or not

 

is May OK if deal flies in parliament

not OK if deal fails

 

I cannot see any logic in that approach

[smedly]

3 hours ago, tutsiwarrior said:

 

I always thought that the opposition in the UK considered 'bringing down the government' their raison d'etre...Corbyn is doing a 'knee jerk' number in wanting to depose the May government and it's doubtful if labour has the support it needs to win a snap election or arrange a new referendum...if labour lost a snap election which is likely then their defeat will be total and it will be the tory's ball in play for the foreseeable future...

 

sorta like in the US where the dems haven't made a move toward impeachment as they know that the white populist/fascist tide has not yet receded and they don't yet have the necessary support....'interesting times' are still with us in the west...and all that remains is to struggle...

 

 

There are about 20 torries willing to bring down their own government effectively destroying the party and themselves, LAB are colluding with them right now to support a no confidence vote - as unbelievable as that sounds that is what is going on 

[Snow Leopard]

8 minutes ago, melvinmelvin said:

you are more patient and tolerant than I

 

where I do not understand Corbyn is that he links ditching TM to her may-deal flying or not

 

is May OK if deal flies in parliament

not OK if deal fails

 

I cannot see any logic in that approach

Is there any logic to any of this. What deal did we actually expect shoving 2 fingers up at Brussels? 

[melvinmelvin]

7 minutes ago, smedly said:

There are about 20 torries willing to bring down their own government effectively destroying the party and themselves, LAB are colluding with them right now to support a no confidence vote - as unbelievable as that sounds that is what is going on 

understandable

if rees-mog bojo raag et all would vote down May and gov

 

they vote with heart not with whip - they want that deal stopped

 

 

[smedly]

2 hours ago, David in the north said:

Exactly. The man is a total idiot. No more fit to be leader than the man in the moon. Doing everything he can to cause trouble instead of doing what is the best for the country

I listened to the commons yesterday, it was farcical 

 

I also listened to Starmer the Shadow Brexit Sec talk for over an hour about the 65 page future trade guide (the next phase) instead of actually discussing the subject matter of the vote on Tuesday - Not one person stood up and told him that the EU refused to discuss Future Trade until the WD agreement was passed

 

The best thing right now is for the UK to leave 29th March on WTO and from the 30th - sit round the table with Brussels and get it sorted - we will have already left and no money paid - how different would that be, we would actually be negotiating from a far stronger position, something that should have happened 2 years ago

 

The problem in the house of commons is that there are so many factions wanting some many different things and very few of them honor the referendum

 

We have Labour - bring down the government at any cost and force an election, they will support nothing

 

SNP - they want to stay in the EU (a rouse) primarily they want to Leave the UK, they will support nothing in the commons that is British.

 

LibDem - they are clear they want to stay in the EU and their seat count reflects that.

 

Then you have a mix from all parties that want to stop Brexit by any means and defy the referendum result. A spin off from the same group want to force another referendum.

 

All the main players (LAB and CON) all stood on a manifesto to leave the EU - quite a number of them (once their seat was secured) went on their own agenda to stop Brexit - they are in fact the rebels who falsely got their seats on a lie, if they wanted to stay in the EU then they should have joined a party that supported that  - LIBDEM

 

Then we have a leave PM who has <deleted> this up from the start letting Brussels get the upper hand from the getgo, Brussels are sitting with their feet up laughing at the circus they have been allowed to create by a weak PM.

 

Is it any wonder the whole thing is in a mess

 

One consolation is that on 29th March the UK will leave - from then we can get negotiations back on track with Brussels with the cloud hanging over whether we are leaving or not - we will have left 

 

 

[smedly]

25 minutes ago, melvinmelvin said:

understandable

if rees-mog bojo raag et all would vote down May and gov

 

they vote with heart not with whip - they want that deal stopped

 

 

are you trying to be funny 

 

I am talking about Soubry and her merry band of rebel remainers, they will vote with LAB to bring down their own party in a No Confidence vote - trust me on this, that is what will happen

 

The CON party will then have to call a GE after we have left the EU and the CON party will be re-elected with a new leader. Soubry and Co will never get another seat in the CON party 

[Retiredandhappyhere]

5 hours ago, owl sees all said:

I think this is tactically unsound. I'm a supporter of the Labour Party, but this does not make sense. Any Tory MP that is 'undecided' might now be persuaded to vote for May's deal. And any wafty Labourites might side with May as they wouldn't want an election so soon if they were not listening to their constituents. Deselection. Time is a healer.

 

The latest is that she will be defeated by over 40 votes, but JC's words might drop that number.

I understood you completely when you said " I'm a supporter of the Labour Party, but this does not make sense", but then I realised that I had taken your words slightly out of context.  However, I think that the section taken out of context does indeed make sense. 

[melvinmelvin]

12 minutes ago, smedly said:

are you trying to be funny 

 

I am talking about Soubry and her merry band of rebel remainers, they will vote with LAB to bring down their own party in a No Confidence vote - trust me on this, that is what will happen

 

The CON party will then have to call a GE after we have left the EU and the CON party will be re-elected with a new leader. Soubry and Co will never get another seat in the CON party 

 

I would have no concerns with - that Soubry et al vote with heart and not with whip,

it is an entirely honest approach to vote for what you believe in

 

if she and her constituency want to remain - fine - act accordingly - boomboom whips

 

[smedly]

21 minutes ago, melvinmelvin said:

 

I would have no concerns with - that Soubry et al vote with heart and not with whip,

it is an entirely honest approach to vote for what you believe in

 

if she and her constituency want to remain - fine - act accordingly - boomboom whips

 

she stood on a leave manifesto that is how she won her seat, her constituency had a majority to leave, she lied to get elected

[TopDeadSenter]

6 hours ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

Brexiteers tried to circumvent and destroy democracy by manipulating millions of people with lies and false promises, especially the poor and uneducated easy targets.

Where to start with such a demonstrably false claim?

 

 MEP Daniel Hannan has written a book, What next: How to get the best from Brexit, that covers the appalling lies of the campaign. Hard to know where to start but I find it unpalatable that the remainers brought the German finance minister over to the UK to say the UK would be "treated like any third country" post Brexit. Sounds scary. But wait. "Now that minister says that a special status will be found that protects the close commercial relationship between the UK and Germany, and that he only used that phrase at George Osborne’s specific request.”

 

 Nice one George! A specific request to lie. And George told there would be this "austerity budget" that would punish all Brits. Never happened it was a lie. And that Kent would turn into a huge migrant camp? Since debunked. The FTSE would crash. Not true, it's outperforming most European markets. This could go on for pages. None of it supports your claim above. Is it possible the "uneducated easy targets" are the people eagerly gobbling up the garbage that the BBC and other impartial left wing outlets keep on dishing out? I think so.

 

 Although seeing Corbyn and Abbot try and run the country would be good for a giggle, the important thing is to get Brexit done pronto and stop the hysterics and BS.

 

[Sir Dude]

Corbyn is not the man for the job of PM and the Tories have been lucky that he is in charge of Labour peddling that same old messy failed 70s socialism.

Corbyn and his cronies also want to leave as without doing so will throw a major spanner in their plans for the re-nationalizing of things as there are huge EU laws/obsticles to doing this from within the EU which have been deliberately placed in the way by Brussels on purpose to prevent such things. 

All Labour has to do is find a more center-left leadership and they would crush it...but Corbyn and the hard left momentum intolerant types will scare off a lot of floating voters and business is far from comfortable with the present Labour lot (rightly so imo).

[Krataiboy]

I'm trying to imagine my life being run by the likes of Jeremy Corbyn, Diane Abbott and Yvette Cooper.

 

 

No. . . unimaginable.

[Guest]

1 hour ago, smedly said:

The best thing right now is for the UK to leave 29th March on WTO and from the 30th - sit round the table with Brussels and get it sorted - we will have already left and no money paid - how different would that be, we would actually be negotiating from a far stronger position, something that should have happened 2 years ago

It would be nice if everybody would understand that there is no way UK can go without paying the agreed 39 billion.

 

That money partly goes to pay UK citizen pensions. Partly to pay student programs, like Erasmus. Partly it goes to support the farmers in Wales and middle of England. Partly it goes to EU funded projects, also inside UK. 

 

If UK choose not to pay, the you'll really anger the farmers, students etc. You'll also show to the rest of the world that UK is not a country to be trusted as it doesn't keep it's promises - quite like Trump's USA.

 

I spoke wrongly. Of course you can simply leave and not to pay the agreed money. UK is after all a sovereign nation. It's just that UK would be a very lonely country in the world, with lot of internal problems. 

 

[dunroaming]

More of the same, nothing new really.  Remainers are still moaning and the Brexiteers are still in denial.  Corbyn is calling for an election that he would not win but has to ride that horse because of pressure from his party.

 

At least parliament is taking back control. May cannot deliver the Brexit that people voted for and is offering what is, at best, a fudge that leaves us as a vassal state.  She pathetically tries to threaten parliament with a no-deal alternative but is now learning that MPs are not going to roll over and just take it.

[melvinmelvin]

16 minutes ago, oilinki said:

It would be nice if everybody would understand that there is no way UK can go without paying the agreed 39 billion.

 

That money partly goes to pay UK citizen pensions. Partly to pay student programs, like Erasmus. Partly it goes to support the farmers in Wales and middle of England. Partly it goes to EU funded projects, also inside UK. 

 

If UK choose not to pay, the you'll really anger the farmers, students etc. You'll also show to the rest of the world that UK is not a country to be trusted as it doesn't keep it's promises - quite like Trump's USA.

 

I spoke wrongly. Of course you can simply leave and not to pay the agreed money. UK is after all a sovereign nation. It's just that UK would be a very lonely country in the world, with lot of internal problems. 

 

kinda agree with that and to Smedly who uttered;

 

"The best thing right now is for the UK to leave 29th March on WTO and from the 30th - sit round the table with Brussels and get it sorted - we will have already left and no money paid - how different would that be, we would actually be negotiating from a far stronger position, something that should have happened 2 years ago"

 

do that, leave 29/3 without deal and without paying,

chances are very very very high that EU would not even talk to UK for ages

would quite simply not talk to UK anymore,

no telephone - no visit - relationship over and closed

 

and don't give me that EU needs UK more than UK needs EU piss

or the piss about the German auto industry

 

there are actions you cannot take in international relations if you want to survive

 

[dunroaming]

1 hour ago, melvinmelvin said:

kinda agree with that and to Smedly who uttered;

 

"The best thing right now is for the UK to leave 29th March on WTO and from the 30th - sit round the table with Brussels and get it sorted - we will have already left and no money paid - how different would that be, we would actually be negotiating from a far stronger position, something that should have happened 2 years ago"

 

do that, leave 29/3 without deal and without paying,

chances are very very very high that EU would not even talk to UK for ages

would quite simply not talk to UK anymore,

no telephone - no visit - relationship over and closed

 

and don't give me that EU needs UK more than UK needs EU piss

or the piss about the German auto industry

 

there are actions you cannot take in international relations if you want to survive

 

We all remember Johnsons response of "Just tell them to go and whistle for their money".  What a statesmen he is!  We need a positive relationship with the EU no matter what the outcome of Brexit is.

[RickBradford]

8 hours ago, RuamRudy said:

Brexit has been shown to be nothing more than an empty vessel of jingoism and bilious lies. Brexit and the Brexiteers have resoundingly failed UK in the most catastrophic of ways, and when the UK falls, as it will very soon, the blame will squarely lie at your door.

That really is the most outstanding Grade A nonsense.

 

In mid-2016, the British people voted clearly: Get us out of the EU. The task of doing that falls to the government and its senior officials, who have had 2 1/2 years to deliver that. Instead, they have delivered the most horrendous public balls-up.

 

The reason is simple: Virtually all the people in power, in government and bureaucracy, are staunch Remainers. Their policy has been to:

 

a) prevent Brexit or,

b) make the biggest cod's head of it they can, so they can then turn round and blame the whole thing on the people who voted for it in the first place.

 

There is a saying: If you want to explain the behaviour of any failed organisation, try to imagine that it was controlled by a cabal of its worst enemies.

 

In the case of Brexit, that turns out to be literally true.

[bomber]

9 hours ago, bert bloggs said:

The only manipulation going on is project fear from the remainers. you lost, live with it .

project fear as you call it is feared by about 90% of businesses,65-70% of MPs and probably 60% of the population at present and rising,after 2.5 years iam still waiting to be told of one thing about brexit that is 100% certain to be better for the UK,give me a german or french master any day our lot are like a bunch of spastics.With the upcoming world recession they are all we need to see us through it,tough times ahead boys prepare for rising unemployment and another 10% off sterling,all for the sake of a few less polish tattie pickers

[bomber]

2 hours ago, Krataiboy said:

I'm trying to imagine my life being run by the likes of Jeremy Corbyn, Diane Abbott and Yvette Cooper.

 

 

No. . . unimaginable.

its coming thanks to brexit,he is the favourite in a 2 horse race,nobody as thick as the Brits

[bomber]

22 minutes ago, RickBradford said:

That really is the most outstanding Grade A nonsense.

 

In mid-2016, the British people voted clearly: Get us out of the EU. The task of doing that falls to the government and its senior officials, who have had 2 1/2 years to deliver that. Instead, they have delivered the most horrendous public balls-up.

 

The reason is simple: Virtually all the people in power, in government and bureaucracy, are staunch Remainers. Their policy has been to:

 

a) prevent Brexit or,

b) make the biggest cod's head of it they can, so they can then turn round and blame the whole thing on the people who voted for it in the first place.

 

There is a saying: If you want to explain the behaviour of any failed organisation, try to imagine that it was controlled by a cabal of its worst enemies.

 

In the case of Brexit, that turns out to be literally true.

your right,the MPs have listened to businesses the damage is going to be huge,so why do it,business people know more than the drunken benefit scroungers you find in spoonies everyday