welovesundaysatspace Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 1 hour ago, Nyezhov said: There are basically three groups of Americans involved: Nice try, but did you really think you could make someone believe that the man-child is not completely isolated and has more than his most hardcore supporters left? Trump’s lies, his incompetence and complete lack of manners are so obvious to everyone who’s not completely stupid or a fanatic like him. So, no, there’s no three groups of Americans. There are normal people. And then there’s Trump and his base. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keemapoot Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 Just now, welovesundaysatspace said: Nice try, but did you really think you could make someone believe that the man-child is not completely isolated and has more than his most hardcore supporters left? Trump’s lies, his incompetence and complete lack of manners are so obvious to everyone who’s not completely stupid or a fanatic like him. So, no, there’s no three groups of Americans. There are normal people. And then there’s Trump and his base. Actually, there is another group. It is the group of normal party Republicans held at gunpoint and hostage by this defilement of a leader. They have to quietly and agonizingly go along in the name of advancing party issues. They are truly the oppressed group in this reality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mlmcleod Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 Trump has not actually answered any of Mueller's questions to date! His lawyers have prepared answers for him. I suspect that a grand jury would be required to get Trump to answer any questions. Then off to perjury convictions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 1 hour ago, Nyezhov said: Im sorry to disabuse of your notions you but to date, Mueller has shown us (Group 3) nothing. Indictments are accusations and the convictions he has gotten other than Manaforts pre Trump sleaze are "process" crimes. And looking at it objectively (Group 3), Cohen "implicating" Trump as a co- conspirator in a tenuously stretched violation of a campaign finance law does not a collusion make. It isnt about Trumps sleaze, its about "collusion" with Russia. No one denies the fact he is a sleaze. Cant think of many Presidents who were Choir boys, except Jimmy C. First off all, and you know this, there is no crime called ‘Collusion’ There will never be an indictment or conviction for ‘Collusion’. There are other crimes which could broadly be referred to as ‘Collusion’, most obviously ‘Conspiracy’. Get used to hearing variants on the word ‘Conspiracy’. The indictments against Manafort include ‘handing Internal Trump Campaign polling data to a Russian spy’. This is currently before the court so we’ll all soon be seeing if Mueller has the goods. My bet is he does. Secondly, there are other extremely serious crimes under investigation, including ‘Obstruction of Justice’, and of course ‘Fraud’.. These are not matters of ‘sleaze’. My bet is Mueller has the goods on this too. Illiberals get your denial glasses on, the truth will ( despite Individual-1’s best efforts) out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nyezhov Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 1 hour ago, attrayant said: By using this friendly, candy-coated phrasing, you sound like you are excusing these crimes. They are crimes, are they not? Thats not "candy coating" phrasing, thats what they are called 1 hour ago, attrayant said: So unless Mueller comes back with a rock-solid conspiracy charge against trump, your position is that he will have completely struck-out? Well considering he was appointed to investigate "collusion" and Russian interference in the election, unless he comes up with something to connect Trump to both he has struck out. Unless one wants to keep moving the goalposts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 19 minutes ago, mlmcleod said: Trump has not actually answered any of Mueller's questions to date! His lawyers have prepared answers for him. I suspect that a grand jury would be required to get Trump to answer any questions. Then off to perjury convictions. Trump stated that he alone wrote the last responses he (or his lawyers) gave. I’m quite certain his lawyers just loved that - not! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Proboscis Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 4 hours ago, TopDeadSenter said: Sorry but after the Strzok and Page fiasco, and Mueller stacking his team with political extremists and still finding only unrelated minor crimes after 2 years, the only thing to do is bin the investigation and accept that Trump and Russia did not collude to lose Hillary her election. End of. This Giuliani is a breath of fresh air. He was a hero after 9/11 and he is one of the only guys covered in the media talking sense about this whole witch hunt. Mueller is a REPUBLICAN. Unless you consider Republican to be extremist, then your claim is clearly false. Name one extremist he has taken on. Lets look at the facts. Fact - So far, the investigation has led to the prosecution of 33 persons. And the real beauty of it is that it has paid for itself. Yes, really! Mainly because those closest to the President are such tax cheats and fraudsters. While the investigation has cost $25million, the investigation has found $48million in illegally unpaid taxes, fines and siezed assets. They are facts. Betraying your country or "selling it out," as Manafort did, may not be major crimes to you but they are to other people and are major crimes under the law. That man will die in jail for what he did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 1 minute ago, Nyezhov said: Thats not "candy coating" phrasing, thats what they are called Well considering he was appointed to investigate "collusion" and Russian interference in the election, unless he comes up with something to connect Trump to both he has struck out. Unless one wants to keep moving the goalposts. And there we have it. You know there is no crime of ‘’Collusion’ and you object to Mueller investigating the real crime of ‘Conspiracy’. Utterly shameful. More slippery than a wet bar of soap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nyezhov Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 54 minutes ago, sirineou said: Just because you see nothing it does not mean that there was nothing to be seen. " On Tuesday we learned -- thanks to a redaction error in a filing in the special counsel's investigation into Russian interference -- that Paul Manafort met with a Russian-linked operative named Konstantin Kilimnik during the course of the 2016 campaign. And in that meeting, according to special counsel Robert Mueller's office, Manafort discussed policies related to the Russia-Ukraine relationship and shared polling data about the 2016 campaign with Kilimnik." Why is this big? ask yourself the following. why would the Russians be interested about polling data from trump's campaign? You do know that the Times has issued a correction in that story as to who the info has passed to? And ask yourself, so what if he did? What does that show? How does that make the election of Trump "illegitimate"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristolboy Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 2 minutes ago, Proboscis said: Mueller is a REPUBLICAN. Unless you consider Republican to be extremist, then your claim is clearly false. Name one extremist he has taken on. Lets look at the facts. Fact - So far, the investigation has led to the prosecution of 33 persons. And the real beauty of it is that it has paid for itself. Yes, really! Mainly because those closest to the President are such tax cheats and fraudsters. While the investigation has cost $25million, the investigation has found $48million in illegally unpaid taxes, fines and siezed assets. They are facts. Betraying your country or "selling it out," as Manafort did, may not be major crimes to you but they are to other people and are major crimes under the law. That man will die in jail for what he did. In his mind extremist = anyone who voted Democratic. Like the majority of U.S. citizens in the lates election. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristolboy Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 2 minutes ago, Nyezhov said: You do know that the Times has issued a correction in that story? And ask yourself, so what if he did? Here's the correction: "A previous version of this article misidentified the people to whom Paul Manafort wanted a Russian associate to send polling data. Mr. Manafort wanted the data sent to two Ukrainian oligarchs, Serhiy Lyovochkin and Rinat Akhmetov, not to Oleg V. Deripaska, a Russian oligarch close to the Kremlin." https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/08/us/politics/manafort-trump-campaign-data-kilimnik.html A distinction without much of a difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 2 minutes ago, Nyezhov said: You do know that the Times has issued a correction in that story? And ask yourself, so what if he did? Have Manafort lawyers some how ‘disappeared’ the facts they inadvertently released? No they have not and you know they have not. Less of your gaslighting please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristolboy Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 3 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said: Have Manafort lawyers some how ‘disappeared’ the facts they inadvertently released? No they have not and you know they have not. Less of your gaslighting please. If there were less, nothing would be left at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenl Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 24 minutes ago, Nyezhov said: Thats not "candy coating" phrasing, thats what they are called Well considering he was appointed to investigate "collusion" and Russian interference in the election, unless he comes up with something to connect Trump to both he has struck out. Unless one wants to keep moving the goalposts. He was not appointed to connect Trump to this, he was appointed to see if the Trump campaign was involved in illegal activities with regards to Russia (not legally correct at all, but my point is: it was not about Trump but the Trump campaign). So far there have been quite a few indictments on this already, and some admissions of guilt as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristolboy Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 1 minute ago, stevenl said: He was not appointed to connect Trump to this, he was appointed to see if the Trump campaign was involved in illegal activities with regards to Russia (not legally correct at all, but my point is: it was not about Trump but the Trump campaign). So far there have been quite a few indictments on this already, and some admissions of guilt as well. I believe that the document authorizing the investigation also included investigating any possible criminal activity that arose out of the investigation whether or not it has to do with conspiring with the Russians. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenl Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 1 minute ago, bristolboy said: I believe that the document authorizing the investigation also included investigating any possible criminal activity that arose out of the investigation whether or not it has to do with conspiring with the Russians. Sure it did. My point is: the poster I reacted to was claiming: Trump has to be involved or Mueller struck out. Total nonsense, the Trump campaign has been proven to be involved. And that is what it started with, the Trump campaign. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristolboy Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 1 hour ago, bristolboy said: You don't have much use for facts, do you? From the extremist Trumphaters at Fox News: "A majority of registered voters approve of special counsel Robert Mueller's investigation into possible collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia and possible obstruction of justice charges against President Trump and members of his administration, according to a Fox News poll released Wednesday. The poll revealed that 59 percent of registered voters approve of Mueller’s investigation, marking an 11-point jump from respondents who said the same in a July Fox News poll. Thirty-seven percent of respondents said they disapprove of Mueller's probe." https://thehill.com/homenews/news/403161-poll-mueller-approval-rating-jumps-by-11-points https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fox-news-poll-8-22 And by the way, this poll was at least partially taken before news about Manafort's conviction broke. Here's an update. The latest Fox poll taken in December about attitudes towards the Mueller investigation shows a huge change in public sentiment: "Special Counsel Robert Mueller does better. By a 19-point margin, 56-37 percent, voters approve of his investigation of the Trump campaign’s ties with Russia, and more voters think the investigation will ultimately strengthen the country (42 percent) than weaken it (34 percent)." https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fox-news-poll-president-trump-ends-year-two-with-46-percent-job-approval Which invites the question: Does Nyezhov really believe that he's not going to be challenged when you invent these falsehoods? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basil B Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 5 hours ago, Boon Mee said: Good for him This out of control Witch Hunt has gone on far too long. And I was looking forward to him getting a good old "Salem" toasting... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBKK Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 It's obvious that there was no collusion (isn't that what the the was about?). Sure there were other things and the Courts will sort them out but Russia collusion? it's a joke that belongs in a fictional movie from the 1960s and the problem is the PC Dems want it SO badly they believe their own hyperbole. Get a good candidate and VOTE the megalomaniac out not all this hogwash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenl Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 2 minutes ago, BobBKK said: It's obvious that there was no collusion (isn't that what the the was about?). Sure there were other things and the Courts will sort them out but Russia collusion? it's a joke that belongs in a fictional movie from the 1960s and the problem is the PC Dems want it SO badly they believe their own hyperbole. Get a good candidate and VOTE the megalomaniac out not all this hogwash. It has been proven there were illegal contacts between the Trump campaign and Russians. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berkshire Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 6 minutes ago, BobBKK said: It's obvious that there was no collusion (isn't that what the the was about?). Sure there were other things and the Courts will sort them out but Russia collusion? it's a joke that belongs in a fictional movie from the 1960s and the problem is the PC Dems want it SO badly they believe their own hyperbole. Get a good candidate and VOTE the megalomaniac out not all this hogwash. Please clarify "PC Dems." Mueller is a Republican and so is Rosenstein, the guy who hired him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Christmas13 Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 5 hours ago, Boon Mee said: Good for him This out of control Witch Hunt has gone on far too long. The only reason I haven't put you on my ignore list yet because you give me my daily laugh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riclag Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 1 hour ago, Proboscis said: Lets look at the facts. Fact - So far, the investigation has led to the prosecution of 33 persons. Can you give a source on these prosecutions of 33 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basil B Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 The 5th Amendment... = I am as guilty as hell, but I do not have to incriminate myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sawadee1947 Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 7 hours ago, Boon Mee said: Good for him This out of control Witch Hunt has gone on far too long. Who wants to be ruled by a witch?? That belongs to medieval times. So does that president. Hunt him! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redline Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 8 hours ago, TopDeadSenter said: Sorry but after the Strzok and Page fiasco, and Mueller stacking his team with political extremists and still finding only unrelated minor crimes after 2 years, the only thing to do is bin the investigation and accept that Trump and Russia did not collude to lose Hillary her election. End of. This Giuliani is a breath of fresh air. He was a hero after 9/11 and he is one of the only guys covered in the media talking sense about this whole witch hunt. It’s a complex investigation, and it’s on par with timelines of others. Why are people not cooperating? What do they have to hide? There are plenty of results so far, and there will be plenty of House investigations as well. Suck it up because there is no end in sight ???????????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redline Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 2 hours ago, riclag said: Can you give a source on these prosecutions of 33 It’s a simple internet search Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hummin Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 6 hours ago, attrayant said: He's lost his mind. He has said things that are flatly untrue. He has fumbled and contradicted Trump and had to backpedal his statements. You have strange role models. And still, mr Joker can continue his term? How is that possible? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristolboy Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 2 hours ago, riclag said: Can you give a source on these prosecutions of 33 All of Robert Mueller’s indictments and plea deals in the Russia investigation so far "Special counsel Robert Mueller’s team has indicted or gotten guilty pleas from 33 people and three companies that we know of — the latest being former Trump lawyer Michael Cohen. That group is composed of five former Trump advisers, 26 Russian nationals, three Russian companies, one California man, and one London-based lawyer. Seven of these people (including now all five former Trump aides) have pleaded guilty." https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/2/20/17031772/mueller-indictments-grand-jury Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirineou Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 6 hours ago, Nyezhov said: You do know that the Times has issued a correction in that story as to who the info has passed to? The Times offered a correction? I did not see it, you mean the info was not passed to the Russians?? Who was it passed to the Belgians? 6 hours ago, Nyezhov said: What does that show? Ok let me break it down for you. It shows that the Russians were interested in interfering with the election, and interfering in a way that would help Trump.It also shows that Manafort was also interested in the Russians interfering with the election. Since both the Russians and Manafort were working toward a common goal , it shows CONSPIRACY, and it shows COLLUSION. con·spir·a·cy /kənˈspirəsē/ noun a secret plan by a group to do something unlawful or harmful. col·lu·sion /kəˈlo͞oZHən/ noun secret or illegal cooperation or conspiracy, especially in order to cheat or deceive others 6 hours ago, Nyezhov said: How does that make the election of Trump "illegitimate"? Nowhere did I say that it made the election "Illegitimate" but you know what they say "if the shoe fits. wear it!" PS: since you mentioned "Illegitimacy" I hope you would agree that an election won unlawfully and illegally would be considered by a reasonable mind Illegitimate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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