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BANGKOK 23 July 2019 06:07
Dazinoz

My Girlfriend Stateless.

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That pink ID card that "says she is from Myanmar" might be worth something at her Embassy. Did she have to show a passport/ID card to get it ? If whatever she showed was good enough for the Thai govt., it should be good enough for the govt. that issued it.

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43 minutes ago, Dazinoz said:

On further "interrogation" apparently she wasn't even born in Burma and doesn't know where she came from.

Does the father know where he did come from? Is he Burmese citizen (has some form of identity document) or is he stateless?

 

21 minutes ago, Dazinoz said:

She has not worked for 4 years as I have been looking after her but her consulate told her she could be deported for no valid ID. 

If she is stateless she can't be deported, where should they deport her to? Myanmar wouldn't accept a random person who is deported to them.

 

10 minutes ago, Enoon said:

Maybe a little "creativity" required to get her over the border. 

And before crossing any border i would confirm that she is really from Burma, maybe that's just what she thinks.

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3 minutes ago, allane said:

That pink ID card that "says she is from Myanmar" might be worth something at her Embassy. Did she have to show a passport/ID card to get it ? If whatever she showed was good enough for the Thai govt., it should be good enough for the govt. that issued it.

She showed the consulate in Chiang Mai, not interested. All she had to get that was a photo copy of an old Thai work permit she had when things were easy to do. Not easy now.

 

She claims she had a passport before but I don't believe she did as she often uses the wrong terminology for things. Visas, work permits, IDs are all "passports" to her.

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Your situation is so complicated, I'm not sure I would do anything but find a Thai Immigration Lawyer and start getting some real answers that make sense.

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4 minutes ago, ocddave said:

Your situation is so complicated, I'm not sure I would do anything but find a Thai Immigration Lawyer and start getting some real answers that make sense.

The answers have to come from his GF or her father, a lawyer can't figure it out on his own. So i think this would just be a waste of money

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Concerns about crossing the border acknowledged. To establish her village location:

1: get her a cheap Android phone.

2: connect with her on LINE.

3: show her how to drop and share a pin on Google maps (means zoom in and drop a pin at your current location). This is one long press to drop a pin and two clicks to share, anyone can do it.

4. send her across the border she knows to her village.

5. she shares her location pin to you on Line.

 

 

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6 minutes ago, Dazinoz said:

She showed the consulate in Chiang Mai, not interested. All she had to get that was a photo copy of an old Thai work permit she had when things were easy to do. Not easy now.

 

She claims she had a passport before but I don't believe she did as she often uses the wrong terminology for things. Visas, work permits, IDs are all "passports" to her.

Many hill tribe people have relatives on both side of the border. If your girl friend can find village in Thai side belongs to the same hill tribes as she is from, she can convince the village headman to add her to house registration in exchange for some money and apply pink ID for hill tribes. Person holding pink ID for hill tribe can apply for Thai citizenship after ten years. This is how many hill tribe folks at the border are holding dual citizen ship in both Myanmar and Thailand.

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2 minutes ago, NotYourBusiness said:

Concerns about crossing the border acknowledged. To establish her village location:

1: get her a cheap Android phone.

2: connect with her on LINE.

3: show her how to drop and share a pin on Google maps (means zoom in and drop a pin at your current location). This is one long press to drop a pin and two clicks to share, anyone can do it.

4. send her across the border she knows to her village.

5. she shares her location pin to you on Line.

 

 

She already has iPhone, has Line but last time she went to her village no phone signal. Had to go 20 km to a village that did to message me. But I guess that would still help and maybe there is signal in her village now. 

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Does she know somebody that speaks Thai and Burmese from Myanmar that enter at the crossing you mentioned and have them find her father to get some info about where she was born the nationality of her mother and etc. It could be her mother was Thai.

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3 minutes ago, sanmyintmaung said:

Many hill tribe people have relatives on both side of the border. If your girl friend can find village in Thai side belongs to the same hill tribes as she is from, she can convince the village headman to add her to house registration in exchange for some money and apply pink ID for hill tribes. Person holding pink ID for hill tribe can apply for Thai citizenship after ten years. This is how many hill tribe folks at the border are holding dual citizen ship in both Myanmar and Thailand.

I really need to convince her to go home again.

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There is a person I know who makes a living as a tour guide and handyman. Works in Chiang Mai and elsewhere. He is stateless. Originally Vietnamese, speaks perfect Thai, fluent English, Chinese and Japanese. AFAIK he gets to stay in Thailand by doing a lot of border crossings, although I don't know how he does that without a passport. PM me, maybe he can give you some advice IF he agrees to do it.

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You really only have two options at this stage.

 

If you suspect she is from Myanmar then all migrants from there need to go back and undertake ‘nationality verification’ where they go back and get their IDs updated and then a passport can be issued for them to return to Thailand. 

 

Without this they they are unable to apply for the non-immigrant LA visas anymore and can’t get sponsored for the work permit that comes with this under the migrant labour scheme. 

 

The local department of labour office usually has the step by step outline of how to do all of this. 

 

If you suspect she is a from a minority hill tribe then the Thai government has been promoting getting everyone Thai ID cards to prove thai citizenship. 

 

You’d be best to approach an NGO like this one to ask for assistance.

 

 

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2 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

Does she know somebody that speaks Thai and Burmese from Myanmar that enter at the crossing you mentioned and have them find her father to get some info about where she was born the nationality of her mother and etc. It could be her mother was Thai.

She had some phone numbers but she is shocking at keeping any type of records. Change her phone and number and lost all contact including her fathers. He also had her number but she failed to tell him when she changed so he has no way to contact her.

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4 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

There is a person I know who makes a living as a tour guide and handyman. Works in Chiang Mai and elsewhere. He is stateless. Originally Vietnamese, speaks perfect Thai, fluent English, Chinese and Japanese. AFAIK he gets to stay in Thailand by doing a lot of border crossings, although I don't know how he does that without a passport. PM me, maybe he can give you some advice IF he agrees to do it.

PM sent. Thank you.

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