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buying new notebook and install ssd and ram later

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Hi i am sorry if this topic has been already discussed but i couldn't find anything specific about this

 

I know that notebook with 8gb ram and ssd are too expensive here so i plan to buy one somewhere in bangkok (going to pantip now) and then adding ram and ssd in my country in Italy since i ll be back in a couple of months

 

I need as other specs 15.6" screen, a minimum of i3 as processor and possibly a notebook with decent battery so my idea is to find one with such features and then add ram and ssd.

 

Does it matter that the one i buy has already a Sata hard disk? Must the laptop meet any requirement in order to install ram and ssd later?

 

I am looking for a new machine and no second hand so i ll certainly buy a recent model trying to limit the final cost.

 

This solution came to mind after reading also this forum about how crazy expensive laptop are here and unreliable services assistance are as well

 

thank you in advance for any suggestion

Andrea 🙏

 

 

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Electronics (Laptops) in Thailand cost about the same as in Europe (in general, of course you might find some products cheaper in Europe, but also some cheaper in Thailand).

Price is generally no reason to buy here or there, and i also don't see any other reason (other than if you want an italian keyboard, might be difficult to find in Thailand)

 

If you plan to upgrade later you have to make sure that the Laptop allow you to change ram and SSD, not all do and might have for example ram soldered to the mainboard.

If you buy a Laptop which comes with a SSD this does usually have a pcie SSD, which means it's about 3 times as fast as an SSD that you upgrade later using SATA.

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2 minutes ago, jackdd said:

Electronics (Laptops) in Thailand cost about the same as in Europe, price is no reason to buy here or there, and i also don't see any other reason (other than if you want an italian keyboard, might be difficult to find in Thailand)

If you plan to upgrade later you have to make sure that the Laptop allow you to change ram and ssd, not all do and might have for example ram soldered to the mainboard.

If you buy a Laptop which comes with a SSD this does usually have a pcie SSD, which means it's about 3 times as fast as an SSD that you upgrade later using SATA.

I plan to add a 500gb ssd in order to have performance as good as the one of a pc that comes with 256gb ssd. Is that a reasonable expectation?

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4 minutes ago, 72BKK said:

I plan to add a 500gb ssd in order to have performance as good as the one of a pc that comes with 256gb ssd. Is that a reasonable expectation?

The capacity of the SSD has no bearing whatsoever on the speed/performance. Possibly the make and spec of the SSD will.

If you buy one here with HDD, which is most unlikely these days, you will need time, patience and knowledge to put all the programs and data onto the SSD. IMHO, get one here, save yourself the hassle.

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29 minutes ago, wgdanson said:

The capacity of the SSD has no bearing whatsoever on the speed/performance. Possibly the make and spec of the SSD will.

If you buy one here with HDD, which is most unlikely these days, you will need time, patience and knowledge to put all the programs and data onto the SSD. IMHO, get one here, save yourself the hassle.

What if I buy one with 128gb ssd and I add ssd later (and ram)?

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3 hours ago, 72BKK said:

What if I buy one with 128gb ssd and I add ssd later (and ram)?

You will be left with a redundant 128GB SSD, unless you buy an external USB SSD to add. As I said, the size of the SSD has no bearing on it's speed.

RAM will possibly speed things up, but if you buy a lappy with 8GB already, you will not need more unless you are doing very intensive video work.

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I'm not sure what your price range is, but an option is to have a look at the Lenovo Yoga 520 or similar. This (the link below) comes with a 128GB SSD (M2 PCIE) chip and most of the Yogas still have the bay for the 2 1/2 inch HDD with the connections. Operating system & programs on the SSD, storage on the HDD (default folders mapped to HDD to allow room on the SSD and Bob's your uncle)!

 

If running Dropbox, OneDrive or any other cloud solution put the caches on the HDD, same applies to email PSTs (or equivalent) if you are using an email client.

 

My Yoga is running an i5 8th gen M2 PCIE (for OS/programs) and I have a 2TB HDD installed, runs perfect. I increased the RAM to 8 from 4 as well, so additional cost for this and the HDD. Also have touch screen, but the only drawback to your requirements is that it is a 14" screen. Example link below:

 

https://www.lazada.co.th/products/lenovo-yoga-notebook-520-80x800yqta-gray-i170983827-s213186061.html?spm=a2o4m.searchlist.list.17.2e6a5fb660ZRWQ&search=1 

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1 hour ago, chrisinth said:

My Yoga is running an i5 8th gen M2 PCIE (for OS/programs) and I have a 2TB HDD installed, runs perfect. I increased the RAM to 8 from 4 as well, so additional cost for this and the HDD. Also have touch screen, but the only drawback to your requirements is that it is a 14" screen. Example link below:

 

https://www.lazada.co.th/products/lenovo-yoga-notebook-520-80x800yqta-gray-i170983827-s213186061.html?spm=a2o4m.searchlist.list.17.2e6a5fb660ZRWQ&search=1 

 

Instead of this i would prefer the Lenovo Ideapad 530s, but the choice depends on your requirements:

The Ideapad 530s costs 5k more, but comes with i5 CPU, 8GB ram and 256GB ssd, so imho no need to upgrade this.

But it doesn't have a touchscreen, the ability to turn the screen completely arround or the option to add an extra HDD.

 

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8 hours ago, jackdd said:

Electronics (Laptops) in Thailand cost about the same as in Europe (in general, of course you might find some products cheaper in Europe, but also some cheaper in Thailand).

Price is generally no reason to buy here or there, and i also don't see any other reason (other than if you want an italian keyboard, might be difficult to find in Thailand)

 

If you plan to upgrade later you have to make sure that the Laptop allow you to change ram and SSD, not all do and might have for example ram soldered to the mainboard.

If you buy a Laptop which comes with a SSD this does usually have a pcie SSD, which means it's about 3 times as fast as an SSD that you upgrade later using SATA.

 

Why would you assert this? It is quite wrong.

NVMe is to what you are referring and very few laptops will be supplied with this type of drive.

 

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47 minutes ago, KneeDeep said:

 

Why would you assert this? It is quite wrong.

NVMe is to what you are referring and very few laptops will be supplied with this type of drive.

 

Quote

NVM Express (NVMe) [...] is an open logical device interface specification for accessing non-volatile storage media attached via a PCI Express (PCIe) bus.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NVM_Express

 

Few Laptops have it? At least all current Lenovo Laptops (Yoga, Ideapad, Thinkpad) have their SSDs connected via PCIe, as well do all current Macbooks, these two vendors alone make up quite a big portion of the total laptop market.

Actually i think it's the other way arround, which made me write "usually" in my post before.

Can you name two laptop manufacturers that use SSDs connected via Sata in their current laptops which are shipped with SSD?

 

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1 hour ago, KneeDeep said:

 

Why would you assert this? It is quite wrong.

NVMe is to what you are referring and very few laptops will be supplied with this type of drive.

 

Laptops commonly come with PCIe/NVMe SSD now...usually M.2 form factor.   Just go to say InvadeIT website and look at the many laptops....many/most come with PCIe/NVMe SSD M.2 type drives.

 

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5 hours ago, Pib said:

Laptops commonly come with PCIe/NVMe SSD now...usually M.2 form factor.   Just go to say InvadeIT website and look at the many laptops....many/most come with PCIe/NVMe SSD M.2 type drives.

 

 

M.2 bears little relation to NVMe. Putting a forward slash between them doesn't make them the same or even similar.

First of all M.2 is a Form Factor. It can be connected via SATA or PCIe.

NVMe is invariably PCIe.

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7 hours ago, jackdd said:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NVM_Express

 

Few Laptops have it? At least all current Lenovo Laptops (Yoga, Ideapad, Thinkpad) have their SSDs connected via PCIe, as well do all current Macbooks, these two vendors alone make up quite a big portion of the total laptop market.

Actually i think it's the other way arround, which made me write "usually" in my post before.

Can you name two laptop manufacturers that use SSDs connected via Sata in their current laptops which are shipped with SSD?

 

 

 

Ok, I'm just opening the DELL webiste and will choose the first laptop on which I click; 

 

https://www.dell.com/en-uk/work/shop/laptops/sc/laptops/latitude-laptops

 

First group utilises SATA; https://www.dell.com/en-uk/work/shop/laptops/latitude-3190-for-education/spd/latitude-11-3190-laptop

 

Will choose another group; https://www.dell.com/en-uk/shop/laptops-notebooks-and-2-in-1-laptops/inspiron-15-5000/spd/inspiron-15-5570-laptop

 

All with HDD, but with the option of NVMe.

 

Ok, I'll go along with one of your choices, Lenovo. Let's try ThinkPad; https://www.lenovo.com/th/th/laptops/thinkpad/thinkpad-l-series/ThinkPad-L580/p/22TP2TBL580 Mid-range model.

 

This one states PCIe connection.

 

So far it seems that most are not supplied with fast NVMe. 

 

Next, let's go to a popular sales site; https://www.jib.co.th/web/product/product_list/3/121

 

Picked ASUS at random. Picked a device at random; https://www.jib.co.th/web/product/readProduct/32661/121/NOTEBOOK--โน้ตบุ๊ค--ASUS-VIVOBOOK-S530FN-BQ102T--FIRMAMENT-GREEN-

 

SATA.

 

...and there we have it. Most devices are not supplied with NVMe SSD.

 

But as you say, they are becoming more prevalent. But not at the lower end of the market.

 

 

 

 

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There are  laptops sold with both sata + nvme slots but budget  machines might not be able to utilise the full speed due to limited pcie lanes so its worth checking before you buy if that's important to you

 

A Good sata ssd like the Samsung evo 860 will boot windows 10 almost as fast as an m2 drive but  m2 pulls ahead in loading games and large file transfers etc 

 

 

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5 hours ago, KneeDeep said:

...and there we have it. Most devices are not supplied with NVMe SSD.

Out of your 4 example models, 3 come with HDD but can be reconfigured to an SSD, in this case it's not really surprising that this is then a SATA SSD.

Maybe i was not really clear and should have said "which are shipped with SSD in their basic configuration".

 

But to end this discussion, here a website which allows me to filter for this:

https://geizhals.de/?cat=nb&xf=3310_2018

Number of Laptop models sold on the German market since 2018: 2884

Number of Laptops using an M.2 SSD: 2017

Number of Laptops with an SATA SSD: 543

 

You are wrong. Most current Laptops have a M.2 (NVMe, PCIe, however you want to call it) SSD

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