evadgib Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 12 minutes ago, Justin Side said: Yes the bigoted racists and chavs knew exactly what they voted for. Deemed an individual responsibility until you lot lost ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loiner Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 I live in hope.Charming little snowflake?Sorry sonny - not going to happen for many years. There are millions of young who voted Leave too. You are not experienced enough to see that through the Old/Young propaganda which you keep propagating too. Sent from my iPhone using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vogie Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 47 minutes ago, Grouse said: I am tha'lad; born an' bred! Why not complete the saying, strong in t'arm and thick in t'ed. Just out of curiosity is your accent like the Yorkshire poet Ian McMillan or are you more of a Terry Thomas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melvinmelvin Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 10 hours ago, Thingamabob said: There are only 2 choices, May's awful deal or no deal. Remain already eliminated by a majority of more than 1 million in favour of Leave in the referendum. today it seems that you are probably right UK is too slow this could have been taken care of months ago ditch deal ditch May go back to EU and say we need so and so in the deal and so and so out of deal might result in smth might not result in smth - never know you are just too slow time has evaporated now slow slow slow ain't no good - any openings - grab 'em Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexRich Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 47 minutes ago, yogi100 said: Being stabbed in the back is what one must expect when a committed Remainer is entrusted with brokering the terms of a deal to have Britain escape the dictatorial tyranny of the EU. The vast majority of Tory MPs are Globalists and Remainers and it's all those betrayers of the nation and the electorate we should blame for what's happening. You've only got to see how May simpers and grins and gets all touchy feely in the company of Barnier and Juncker and Co when she meets them. "Don't worry chaps, I know what I'm doing. Britain's going nowhere" she's telling them. May is a ‘globalist’ and always has been. That’s why she supported the Remainers and voted against Brexit and leaving the EU. And that's why the Tory party selected her to conduct the fiasco we're current witnessing. May has a deal that allows a transition period and the finalisation of a relationship with the EU. Her deal means leaving the EU, no longer contributing, controlling your own borders, etc. You wanted Leave, that's what she's offering. And the final deal may well be outside of Customs Union and Single Market ... that is yet to be negotiated. But people like you want to crash out on WTO terms, with all the chaos that will entail from that. Yet no Leave politician campaigned for that during the referendum? So no one can make any claim on this being what people voted for. So people like me realise that there needs to be another vote ... because you lot are trying to force through something that no one campaigned for. So you risk a second referendum and no Brexit. Don't blame "the establishment", "globalists", "remoaners", "Soros" ... or any of the other imaginary groups that you read about on the internet whilst wearing a tin foil hat. The blame rests with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melvinmelvin Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 10 hours ago, owl sees all said: The latest result of the weekly poll in Liverpool is; 52% Just leave/no deal 25% Accept May's deal 23% Another referendum/stay in/no comment/don't care Pretty conclusive I'd say. yeah, and scousers are OK, once had a girlfriend from there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexRich Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 12 minutes ago, Loiner said: Charming little snowflake? Sorry sonny - not going to happen for many years. There are millions of young who voted Leave too. You are not experienced enough to see that through the Old/Young propaganda which you keep propagating too. Sent from my iPhone using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app Your Brexit dies the moment a second referendum is announced. And if you believe that the new young voters are for Brexit you are going to be very disappointed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yogi100 Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 3 minutes ago, AlexRich said: May has a deal that allows a transition period and the finalisation of a relationship with the EU. Her deal means leaving the EU, no longer contributing, controlling your own borders, etc. You wanted Leave, that's what she's offering. And the final deal may well be outside of Customs Union and Single Market ... that is yet to be negotiated. But people like you want to crash out on WTO terms, with all the chaos that will entail from that. Yet no Leave politician campaigned for that during the referendum? So no one can make any claim on this being what people voted for. So people like me realise that there needs to be another vote ... because you lot are trying to force through something that no one campaigned for. So you risk a second referendum and no Brexit. Don't blame "the establishment", "globalists", "remoaners", "Soros" ... or any of the other imaginary groups that you read about on the internet whilst wearing a tin foil hat. The blame rests with you. I did not mention the establishment, remoaners nor Soros. I've never had such a hat and if I did have one I would not be seen dead wearing it. May's deliberately been dragging her feet and there is no way it should have taken her two and a half years only to get where we are now. Thats more than half of the time it took Europe the fight The Great War. Don't get all exited that's just a comparison I'm not going to bring WW1 into into the topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billd766 Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 3 hours ago, Grouse said: wrong post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loiner Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 Your Brexit dies the moment a second referendum is announced. And if you believe that the new young voters are for Brexit you are going to be very disappointed.You still haven’t learned from the last referendum that Cameron and the rest of you were so sure you were going to win.Not that there will be another anyway. Sent from my iPhone using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billd766 Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 44 minutes ago, melvinmelvin said: whatever, catastrophe to halt Brexit, weird comment ditching her deal will for many just mean Brexit in a different form But it will mean Brexit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baboon Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 10 minutes ago, yogi100 said: May's deliberately been dragging her feet and there is no way it should have taken her two and a half years only to get where we are now. She did so in an attempt to hold her fractured party together. The same party which held the damn referendum in the first place and own all the fallout. Take it up with them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baboon Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 2 minutes ago, billd766 said: But it will mean Brexit. So does her deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billd766 Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 3 minutes ago, baboon said: So does her deal. Not really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexRich Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 27 minutes ago, Loiner said: You still haven’t learned from the last referendum that Cameron and the rest of you were so sure you were going to win. Not that there will be another anyway. Sent from my iPhone using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app And you are exhibiting over confidence about where Britain stands today. There will be no complacency this time with the young, and the fantasy of Brexit has been exposed ... a second referendum looks more likely by the day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yogi100 Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 35 minutes ago, baboon said: She did so in an attempt to hold her fractured party together. The same party which held the damn referendum in the first place and own all the fallout. Take it up with them. Why should I? You take it up with em'. I'm just commenting on the matter! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baboon Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 15 minutes ago, billd766 said: Not really. Bill, the deal is a good compromise. 'Compromise' being the name of the game given the extremists on both sides will be unhappy no matter what. I don't want another referendum. I can't agree with a 'Go #### yourself' Brexit. I can't agree that the will of the Brexiters should simply be brushed aside. They won. I can't agree that the will of the Remainers should simply be brushed aside. It was a close vote. Well what now, Bill? Winner takes all? You have your 'Leave' deal. Both sides are unhappy. Why is that not a result? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baboon Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 8 minutes ago, yogi100 said: Why should I? You take it up with em'. I'm just commenting on the matter! No you aren't, you are promoting 'Leave'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bartender100 Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 Whatever happens this week its going to be very interesting, possibly by Friday we will have had a general election called. Boris against Jeremy is my guess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aright Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 4 hours ago, Grouse said: Australia's ABC estimate 670,000; but they're too close I assume. In phonological terms the ABC is just one syllable away from the BBC. I hope this clears up the matter for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baboon Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 7 minutes ago, bartender100 said: Whatever happens this week its going to be very interesting, possibly by Friday we will have had a general election called. Boris against Jeremy is my guess A gridlocked parliament desperately trying to kick the can down the road is mine. We'll see... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melvinmelvin Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 5 hours ago, billd766 said: But it will mean Brexit. maybe, after some years, remains to be seen, in my view, the main problem with this deal is that the consequences are not controllable by the UK there are no controllable cutoff mechanisms in it not sound package Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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nauseus Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 12 hours ago, welovesundaysatspace said: He claimed “99% of you” have asked him to replace that MP. “you” must be the Stamfordians and Granthamians, which (according Wikipedia) are around 79,000. Electorate 79k. Last turnout 56k of which Boles (CON) got 35k. But that doesn't matter. The complaints will only be from local Conservative Party members. A lot less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evadgib Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 More re attempts to de-select wayward MPs: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
findlay13 Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 20 hours ago, billd766 said: So, if there is another vote and the Remainers win, that would be Democracy in your mind. If the Leavers want a 3rd vote that won't be Democratic. How about if the Leavers win the second vote. Would you accept that as Democracy? Yet's have a fourth vote.!We could keep on doing "ad nauseam "and "ad infinitum"???? Then the remoaners would get what they want the UK would never be out! Leave means LEAVE! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnybangkok Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 58 minutes ago, findlay13 said: Yet's have a fourth vote.!We could keep on doing "ad nauseam "and "ad infinitum"???? Then the remoaners would get what they want the UK would never be out! Leave means LEAVE! 'Leave means leave' blah, blah, blah. I've noticed a VERY common denominator with you Leave lot in that you are all up for the brain dead slogans but very short on the ideas of how to handle the immense problems that Brexit has thrown up. So I'll give you all a chance. Please let me know what YOU would suggest to sort out the following:- 1. The Northern Ireland border. 2. Britain's financial obligations to the EU? 3. The EU single market & customs union? 4. The insistence from the EU that entry to the single market/customs union also comes with free movement of EU nationals? 5. The drop in EU immigration's shortfall effect on the NHS, social care and construction? 6. Security - once EU law has no more effect on the UK, how do you handle things like Europol and the European Arrest Warrants that both require EU law? That's only 6 of many, many problems. I'm all ears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melvinmelvin Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 As I understand it, today the parliament will commence on its formal handling of the may-deal. Have also been told that the doings of the parliament will be broadcast live. Any links to where the Creatures in Westminster Zoo can be watched live? Preferably not in HD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spidey Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 14 minutes ago, johnnybangkok said: 'Leave means leave' blah, blah, blah. I've noticed a VERY common denominator with you Leave lot in that you are all up for the brain dead slogans but very short on the ideas of how to handle the immense problems that Brexit has thrown up. So I'll give you all a chance. Please let me know what YOU would suggest to sort out the following:- 1. The Northern Ireland border. 2. Britain's financial obligations to the EU? 3. The EU single market & customs union? 4. The insistence from the EU that entry to the single market/customs union also comes with free movement of EU nationals? 5. The drop in EU immigration's shortfall effect on the NHS, social care and construction? 6. Security - once EU law has no more effect on the UK, how do you handle things like Europol and the European Arrest Warrants that both require EU law? That's only 6 of many, many problems. I'm all ears. 1. The Northern Ireland border. Give N.Ireland back to the Irish (never wanted it anyway) 2. Britain's financial obligations to the EU? Tell 'em to get stuffed (see you in court or hide behind the curtains) 3. The EU single market & customs union? Rock hard Brexit. (Go to WTO rules, why do new care if imports/exports from the UK collapse, it'll only affect the little men) 4. The insistence from the EU that entry to the single market/customs union also comes with free movement of EU nationals? As above. 5. The drop in EU immigration's shortfall effect on the NHS, social care and construction? Bring in shedloads of Africans (they're coming already). 6. Security - once EU law has no more effect on the UK, how do you handle things like Europol and the European Arrest Warrants that both require EU law? Ahh...good point but there are more foreign criminals coming here than British criminals going abroad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnybangkok Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 8 minutes ago, Spidey said: 1. The Northern Ireland border. Give N.Ireland back to the Irish (never wanted it anyway) 2. Britain's financial obligations to the EU? Tell 'em to get stuffed (see you in court or hide behind the curtains) 3. The EU single market & customs union? Rock hard Brexit. (Go to WTO rules, why do new care if imports/exports from the UK collapse, it'll only affect the little men) 4. The insistence from the EU that entry to the single market/customs union also comes with free movement of EU nationals? As above. 5. The drop in EU immigration's shortfall effect on the NHS, social care and construction? Bring in shedloads of Africans (they're coming already). 6. Security - once EU law has no more effect on the UK, how do you handle things like Europol and the European Arrest Warrants that both require EU law? Ahh...good point but there are more foreign criminals coming here than British criminals going abroad. So as I guessed, no real solutions. Just some wild ideas that you and your mates (all economists and legal experts of course) agreed whilst drinking your 80 baht bottle of chang until you fell off your bar stool. Unfortunately this is in fact pretty much sums up the Leave campaigns ideas. 'Leave means leave !!!' Even if it also means chaos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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