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Have you tried Jucing to loose weight

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ezzra  That is interesting that you mention  Keto  diet....This cafe sells keto products!    The guy I spoke to there seams to know a bit about it.      I am still undecided about the juice.  I will do a bit more research before I decide.  thanks
If you have a kitchen then no need to burn money in resteraunts. Buy fatty meats and cook in coconut oil

Meat, and salad, vegetables (keto friendly) and eggs untill you are full. Get into ketosis and watch the wight fall off.

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1 hour ago, Nyezhov said:

Im just starting the weight loss process. I have no choice.

 

What I have eliminated completely now (hopefully I will get a cheat day): ice cream, sodas, cookies, croissants, bakery stuff, kanom, crackers, pies, Pringles, Burger King, Mickey Ds, 7-11 fast food, Pizza, fried chicken, anything fried, sausages, butter, processed meat, beep, bacon, shrimp. No added sugar.

 

What I have cut down on is: juice (6oz every other day for variety), wheat bread (no  more than 2 slices every other day or one a day), eggs (one every other day), cheese (nor more than one slice every other day), coffee creamer (one tablespoon)

 

What I have increased or have left is fruit (4-5 portions a day), oatmeal every day, gai yang (one piece without skin), Somtum (eat only the veggies and shake out the dried shrimp), assorted veggies, steamed rice, noodle soups (the noodle lady does not put the salty stuff in and substititues daikon and veggies for fried fishball, gives me a little extra chicken), Pad Krapow Gai, no egg, Moo on a stick (one piece), Stirfried Mixed veggies, and I hate my life, steamed fish.

 

The fruit and oatmeal keep me on the toilet 4x a day.

 

I get to live with a stent, take pills like an old lady, cant eat anything good, am on restriction for serious walking for two weeks and no boom boom, never be able to smoke weed again, no booze allowed, gonna miss my trip to Cambodia, now I got a preexisting condition thats will screw up insurance the next time I come here, the Visa rules are a pain in the ass, my vegetarian daughter is on my case, if I wasnt partially stable, Id be doing a flyer off the balcony,

 

Talk about suck factor to the nth degree

Sorry to hear about your predicament. 

No consolation and it’s gonna be tough but as you already know, the reason you got here is because of the stuff you’re now eliminating. 

Best of luck. Be good to hear your progress. 

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Juicing is not the solution !  Are you aware of how much sugar it is in juice ?   So you could actually turn diabetic drinking too much of it. 

 

If you want to lose weight, the solution is simple really. Reduce the intake of food over a period of several months.  You can use an app om your smartphone that will count your calories.

On average an adult do not need more than 2000-2500 calories per day. Overweight people tend to eat more than that. 

 

So the solution is to eat healthier food, do more exercise and you will lose weight in no time, drink water instead of juice. One glass of juice or smoothie is fine but not more than one daily. 

 

Personally I only eat 2 meals daily , breakfast/brunch and dinner.  I eat some nuts , and eat a bit of fruit in between .

If you feel hungry you can always eat some veggies with very little calories, like carrots to fill up the stomach. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

  

 

 

 

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4 hours ago, utalkin2me said:

THe best part aboit this topic is nobody knows anything. The brightest doctors in the world told us for years to eat many small meals a day, and now everything indicates that eating rarely and going long periods of time without food is very healthy. Ironically enough i did this all through my youth and figured i was destrying myself, no winder i never went into a hospital one time. 

 

Nobody knows anything. That is the first lesson. 

They all know one thing you have to eat less then you burn and eat quality foods. I seen the studies that all those diets give the same results as long as there is a caloric deficit. 

 

Anyway I just say go for something that suits you as you have to keep doing it for a long time.

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4 hours ago, Nyezhov said:

Im just starting the weight loss process. I have no choice.

 

What I have eliminated completely now (hopefully I will get a cheat day): ice cream, sodas, cookies, croissants, bakery stuff, kanom, crackers, pies, Pringles, Burger King, Mickey Ds, 7-11 fast food, Pizza, fried chicken, anything fried, sausages, butter, processed meat, beep, bacon, shrimp. No added sugar.

 

What I have cut down on is: juice (6oz every other day for variety), wheat bread (no  more than 2 slices every other day or one a day), eggs (one every other day), cheese (nor more than one slice every other day), coffee creamer (one tablespoon)

 

What I have increased or have left is fruit (4-5 portions a day), oatmeal every day, gai yang (one piece without skin), Somtum (eat only the veggies and shake out the dried shrimp), assorted veggies, steamed rice, noodle soups (the noodle lady does not put the salty stuff in and substititues daikon and veggies for fried fishball, gives me a little extra chicken), Pad Krapow Gai, no egg, Moo on a stick (one piece), Stirfried Mixed veggies, and I hate my life, steamed fish.

 

The fruit and oatmeal keep me on the toilet 4x a day.

 

I get to live with a stent, take pills like an old lady, cant eat anything good, am on restriction for serious walking for two weeks and no boom boom, never be able to smoke weed again, no booze allowed, gonna miss my trip to Cambodia, now I got a preexisting condition thats will screw up insurance the next time I come here, the Visa rules are a pain in the ass, my vegetarian daughter is on my case, if I wasnt partially stable, Id be doing a flyer off the balcony,

 

Talk about suck factor to the nth degree

My advice... go slow at first you can't go from a bad diet to healthy one in a day. I have had periods i fallen of the wagon (figuratively) and come back to training. I have just closed a period of bad food because of stress and sleep problems. But I did not instantly change it all over. I took small steps and I am still taking more steps to change it. 

 

Besides if you change it all at once what are you going to do when the weight loss stalls. 

 

Can i ask how old you are.

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5 hours ago, Nyezhov said:

Im just starting the weight loss process. I have no choice.

 

What I have eliminated completely now (hopefully I will get a cheat day): ice cream, sodas, cookies, croissants, bakery stuff, kanom, crackers, pies, Pringles, Burger King, Mickey Ds, 7-11 fast food, Pizza, fried chicken, anything fried, sausages, butter, processed meat, beep, bacon, shrimp. No added sugar.

 

What I have cut down on is: juice (6oz every other day for variety), wheat bread (no  more than 2 slices every other day or one a day), eggs (one every other day), cheese (nor more than one slice every other day), coffee creamer (one tablespoon)

 

What I have increased or have left is fruit (4-5 portions a day), oatmeal every day, gai yang (one piece without skin), Somtum (eat only the veggies and shake out the dried shrimp), assorted veggies, steamed rice, noodle soups (the noodle lady does not put the salty stuff in and substititues daikon and veggies for fried fishball, gives me a little extra chicken), Pad Krapow Gai, no egg, Moo on a stick (one piece), Stirfried Mixed veggies, and I hate my life, steamed fish.

 

The fruit and oatmeal keep me on the toilet 4x a day.

 

I get to live with a stent, take pills like an old lady, cant eat anything good, am on restriction for serious walking for two weeks and no boom boom, never be able to smoke weed again, no booze allowed, gonna miss my trip to Cambodia, now I got a preexisting condition thats will screw up insurance the next time I come here, the Visa rules are a pain in the ass, my vegetarian daughter is on my case, if I wasnt partially stable, Id be doing a flyer off the balcony,

 

Talk about suck factor to the nth degree

    For me it was really easier to get rid of the cheat days.  They just mess with you mentally and physically and not enjoyable at all.  I did piss off a few friends when I turned down their evening beer and pizza bash but so what?

     Sounds like you are finally getting some fiber in your diet.  Your body should stabilize with that soon enough.  

     And once you have made some progress on the weight loss and are feeling more active you can get back to the boom boom as it is good exercise!  It helps loosen up the muscles, puts you in a good frame mind and gives the heart an acceptable cardio workout.  Good Luck 2 U.

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1 hour ago, robblok said:

Can i ask how old you are.

Im 63.

 

I really dont miss the ice cream, cakes and cookies, nor the sodas, I find that fruiting it up helps.

 

And I like chicken and fish.

 

But Im so miserable. What is the point of life eating sprouts!  And no weed? I have to go back to the US and deal with that without a bit of a stone? I just want a fat steak now and then, I realize I have to suffer now, but I am feeling like jumping in front of a bus with a snickers bar in my mouth

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6 hours ago, Nyezhov said:

Im just starting the weight loss process. I have no choice.

 

What I have eliminated completely now (hopefully I will get a cheat day): ice cream, sodas, cookies, croissants, bakery stuff, kanom, crackers, pies, Pringles, Burger King, Mickey Ds, 7-11 fast food, Pizza, fried chicken, anything fried, sausages, butter, processed meat, beep, bacon, shrimp. No added sugar.

 

What I have cut down on is: juice (6oz every other day for variety), wheat bread (no  more than 2 slices every other day or one a day), eggs (one every other day), cheese (nor more than one slice every other day), coffee creamer (one tablespoon)

 

What I have increased or have left is fruit (4-5 portions a day), oatmeal every day, gai yang (one piece without skin), Somtum (eat only the veggies and shake out the dried shrimp), assorted veggies, steamed rice, noodle soups (the noodle lady does not put the salty stuff in and substititues daikon and veggies for fried fishball, gives me a little extra chicken), Pad Krapow Gai, no egg, Moo on a stick (one piece), Stirfried Mixed veggies, and I hate my life, steamed fish.

 

The fruit and oatmeal keep me on the toilet 4x a day.

 

I get to live with a stent, take pills like an old lady, cant eat anything good, am on restriction for serious walking for two weeks and no boom boom, never be able to smoke weed again, no booze allowed, gonna miss my trip to Cambodia, now I got a preexisting condition thats will screw up insurance the next time I come here, the Visa rules are a pain in the ass, my vegetarian daughter is on my case, if I wasnt partially stable, Id be doing a flyer off the balcony,

 

Talk about suck factor to the nth degree

Great news,you are still alive!!!Good for you!Now go and learn to enjoy different tasts and foods that are good for you,there are lots out there.

Be happy you got a second chance,many people do not!!

Do not let food rule your life,you are better then that.Think positive and grab new oppertunities.

You can do it,if you need support there are forums out there besides this one.Believe in yourself believe in life!!

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4 minutes ago, Nyezhov said:

am feeling like jumping in front of a bus with a snickers bar in my mouth

Before you do that make sure you  can jump really well by getting into shape.

Once you are  better shape you will forget about the bus!!!!

You have family.

I think you are just being a little sarcastic right now and i can understand that.

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1 hour ago, Nyezhov said:

Im 63.

 

I really dont miss the ice cream, cakes and cookies, nor the sodas, I find that fruiting it up helps.

 

And I like chicken and fish.

 

But Im so miserable. What is the point of life eating sprouts!  And no weed? I have to go back to the US and deal with that without a bit of a stone? I just want a fat steak now and then, I realize I have to suffer now, but I am feeling like jumping in front of a bus with a snickers bar in my mouth

Why no weed ? (besides that it screws up your diet). You can buy vaporisers so you don't get the bad stuff in your lungs. (i take it they have a problem with smoking) or you can have weed edibles. 

 

Also you can select vegetables that you like, I would never eat sprouts. A fat steak is not a problem if you eat it once in a while. Cutting out most of the sugars like you did is already a good thing. Eating a big stake now and again (that means not every time maybe once a week is ok). The sugars are the stuff that raised your weight. Once you start losing weight you get in better shape then a steak is not so bad. 

 

How long will you be in BKK.. might be fun to meet up for a chat about healthy lifestyle and I can explain some things that make it better. But seriously if pizza was as healthy as broccoli I would eat it every day. Much of the bad food just tastes better. Having said that after a while of good food your cravings for the bad stuff go away too. Plus there is stuff that is good and nice to eat. 

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1 hour ago, Nyezhov said:

Im 63.

 

I really dont miss the ice cream, cakes and cookies, nor the sodas, I find that fruiting it up helps.

 

And I like chicken and fish.

 

But Im so miserable. What is the point of life eating sprouts!  And no weed? I have to go back to the US and deal with that without a bit of a stone? I just want a fat steak now and then, I realize I have to suffer now, but I am feeling like jumping in front of a bus with a snickers bar in my mouth

Well medical weed should be available here soon if the news is correct. Could help a lot of people. 

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1 hour ago, robblok said:

Why no weed ? (besides that it screws up your diet). You can buy vaporisers so you don't get the bad stuff in your lungs. (i take it they have a problem with smoking) or you can have weed edibles. 

Weed in contraindicated with infarct history

 

1 hour ago, robblok said:

. A fat steak is not a problem if you eat it once in a while. Cutting out most of the sugars like you did is already a good thing. Eating a big stake now and again (that means not every time maybe once a week is ok). The sugars are the stuff that raised your weight. Once you start losing weight you get in better shape then a steak is not so bad. 

Thanks what's keeping me alive right now....the thought of  meat awaiting.It's all a question of priorities, I like meat better than I like soda, soda soda goes.

 

1 hour ago, robblok said:

How long will you be in BKK.. might be fun to meet up for a chat about healthy lifestyle and I can explain some things that make it better. But seriously if pizza was as healthy as broccoli I would eat it every day. Much of the bad food just tastes better. Having said that after a while of good food your cravings for the bad stuff go away too. Plus there is stuff that is good and nice to eat. 

I'm going to stay till at least the end of March, I was going to leave in April anyway. I just need to get over this funk. I'm sort of pissed that I might not be able to go to Cambodia with my daughter which was one of the things that I wanted to do. Even if it's just to go to Angkor Wat, I could always ditch preah Vin until next year.

 

 

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I just came upon this:

https://blog.myfitnesspal.com/experts-debate-should-you-ever-do-a-juice-cleanse/?utm_source=international&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=MFP_Intl_NL_UI_Weekly_20190114&[email protected]:192570691

 

Had a look at this and it is very superficial and only just scratches the surface of the topics mentioned.     One of the previous posters has it 100% right in my opinion,  in that every one is different and that there are many different styles of diets and each person needs to choose the thing that they will best be able to maintain, as it is this maintainability that will actually enable the results you are looking for.  

 

There is no "one size fits all" solution to this weight loss dilemma,   If you simply take this one dimension aspect then at one end of the continuum you simply stop eating to lose weight and eventually you lose weight and die,  at the other end  you eat too much gain weight and eventually die!     So you are left with all that grey area in between,  Vegan, intermittent fasting, Keto, Carnivorous diet, low carb diet, low fat diet  juicing  Etc etc.      

 

Now  when you add in the "health" aspect of losing.gaining weight you add a new level of complexity to the situation.     

 

STRESS  seams to be mentioned in most if not all the lose weight systems as one of the major considerations/causes in weight control.     So one way of helping with this stress is to remove your self from your usual (stressful) routine and go and enjoy a nice "xxxxx" in a relaxing atmosphere and chill out for a 30 minutes or more!

 

Check out your local healthy cafes in your area,  simply do a google search for health or lifestyle or de stress and see what takes your fancy!

 

And a blatant plug  if you are in the Chiang Mai area  check out Zenzen Lifestyle Cafe in Meechok Plazza,  or if you are an early bird  check out JJ Markets on a Sunday morning for all the Organic, Keto, freah breads, Smoked Hams and delicious healthy foods..

 

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A very interesting free pdf book to read  is one called "the miracle doctors".  It has a very interesting concept called the baseline of health.

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