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Brexit bedlam - May's EU divorce deal crushed by 230 votes in parliament

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1 hour ago, dick dasterdly said:

And that's the worrying part - bearing in mind the majority of MPs support remaining within the eu.

 

Hence the ever continuing 'kicking the can down the road'.....

At the next election we could always keep the can and kick the MPs down the road.

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2 minutes ago, bannork said:

Yes but 45,% of our exports go to the EU. It would be economic madness to damage that access.

Trade with the EU will resume one way or the other, not least because of the amount they offload per annum in UK.

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8 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The world's changed a bit since then.

 

Empire2 is a non starter.

Yeah, we have planes now but my point was that we're good at this trading lark & the sky isn't going to fall in despite project fear wishing it would.

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7 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

So let’s leave it in the hands of the side that commuted electoral fraud.

just let's leave the whole idea all together, it's not going anywhere, a lot of people have got used to the idea of three meals a day and a roof over their heads, why change it. Apart from royal weddings, dirty air, hungry school children, homelessness, and some people having to pay 60% of their income for rent what has British democracy brought us, oh I forgot, rickets is making a comeback, back to victorian Britain.

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4 minutes ago, dick dasterdly said:

I'm not suprised.

 

The best possible 'hope' for remain MPs (the vast majority) is to pretend that another referendum is necessary....

 

I doubt that they are brave/stupid enough to withdraw Article 50, so their only possible chance of remaining within the eu is to call for another referendum - in the hope that the result may be different this time.....

 

A bad choice, as they also know that it leaves democratic votes in shambles and is hardly going to stop the ill-will amongst leavers - who will (of course 😁) demand another referendum! 

There's no point any 'Remain MP' pretending another referendum is necessary unless they sincerely believe that a second referendum would result in a 'Remain' vote.

 

Which is kind of the flip side of why 'Brexiteers' fear a second referendum. 

 

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1 minute ago, evadgib said:

Yeah, we have planes now.

made in the USA

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4 minutes ago, evadgib said:

Trade with the EU will resume one way or the other, not least because of the amount they offload per annum in UK.

Said with the certainty of 'The easiest deal in human history'.

 

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23 minutes ago, evadgib said:

We were successfully trading with the furthest members of the Commonwealth long before joining the EU.

yes yes,

get the great clippers going again

 

port out starboard home - pleasant life, rum ahoy

 

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6 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

There's no point any 'Remain MP' pretending another referendum is necessary unless they sincerely believe that a second referendum would result in a 'Remain' vote.

 

Which is kind of the flip side of why 'Brexiteers' fear a second referendum. 

 

Brexiters have no such fear. This is another myth peddled by project fear and their sympathizers including your good self. If a 2nd referendum were to materialize (it wont) the result would be a far bigger landslide that simply could not be contained, not even by official govt tinkering.

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no, it doesn't stop Brexit
but as explained
it requires parliament to actively give its nod and say "go ahead, Brexit".
 

And what if parliament does not give its nod?
I think you forgot about the EU. If the 29th of March passes without a deal, the EU will conclude the UK has left regardless of whether a nod was given by the British parliament.


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20 minutes ago, whatsupdoc said:


And what if parliament does not give its nod?
I think you forgot about the EU. If the 29th of March passes without a deal, the EU will conclude the UK has left regardless of whether a nod was given by the British parliament.

Which is fine. All UK then needs to do is return to the Canada +++ deal that will reach Dover in a bottle on the first tide of 30 March. If that doesn't happen we're still 39Bn better off and free to trade either way.

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Which is fine. All UK then needs to do is return to the Canada +++ deal that will reach Dover in a bottle on the first tide of 30 March. If that doesn't happen we're still 39Bn better off and free to trade either way.

Good to see that you agree that normal transport will be severely impaired. Have fun with your hard Brexit and you might have to wait quite a bit longer for that bottle to arrive.....


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Brexit bedlam?  Hardly that.  We all knew that the deal would be rejected, the only surprise was the size of the rejection.

 

The expected "vote of no confidence in the government" was flagged but I think that has little chance of getting anywhere.  The Tories are fearful of a general election so will rally round May yet again.

 

Brussels have said that there is no room for further negotiation and it is now down to the UK government to decide what they want to do next.  May has said she would come back to parliament next week with a new plan if she survives the no confidence vote.  So she is still trying to push ahead with this stupid deal in one form or another. 

 

As always May will not face reality and look at the only real alternatives.  You can look around for a hero to step in but there isn't one anywhere in sight.

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6 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Or.

 

Your assertions on why individual MPs voted the way they did may be misinformed.

 

In which case, so is your conclusion.

Yes, of course, I may be wrong - unlike many in this debate I do admit to being fallible!

 

However, I think that I am probably right in suggesting that many of the conservative "rebels" voted no because they disliked the deal on offer, not because they oppose Brexit.

 

 

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1 hour ago, whatsupdoc said:


And what if parliament does not give its nod?
I think you forgot about the EU. If the 29th of March passes without a deal, the EU will conclude the UK has left regardless of whether a nod was given by the British parliament.


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point taken

 

I invite SW to respond to that . . .

 

 

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