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Brexit bedlam - May's EU divorce deal crushed by 230 votes in parliament


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14 minutes ago, nauseus said:

They weren't talking about the meaning of Brexit.

 

They were talking May's so-called "deal".

Johnson said that she should go back to Brussels and tell them this won't wash and she wants a better deal.   JRM said that the government hadn't negotiated well  but neither of them said anything about leaving with no deal.  In fact JRM said that people were worried if we left under WTO rules.  Nothing from the weasel Gove or Fox as far as I know?  Very cautious comments coming from the gung ho brigade.

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5 hours ago, melvinmelvin said:

no, it doesn't stop Brexit

but as explained

it requires parliament to actively give its nod and say "go ahead, Brexit".

 

The slight problem is it's not within parliament's power to do that now.

 

If parliament does nothing we leave. 

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25 minutes ago, AlexRich said:

Mrs May has a sense of duty, she will not walk away and leave the mess to someone else like Cameron did, I’m pretty sure about that. She will try to find a way through Parliament, a softer Brexit, or she will sanction a second vote. That’s why GBP strengthened yesterday. 

Her sense of duty to whom I would have to ask?

 

And duty is not necessarily the same as honour.

 

Apart from that she can't dance worth a sh1t.

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46 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Many here are concerned with the pound. Understandable.

 

Krone has been crappy for more than 4 years already.

I donæt follow this closely,

but its not that long ago I got 5.5 baht for an oildollar, 3 years?

 

mai pen rai,

by and large the crappy exchange rates are signs that the Thai economy is improving, Thais should enjoy

 

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18 minutes ago, nauseus said:

She has already survived the internal Tory no confidence challenge by your "hardliners". After this she is safe from her own for 12 months. Her government will probably scrape through the no confidence vote, today, as the Conservatives will do anything to keep Corbyn from No.10 and so actually unite. If she is going she has to quit herself.

I was referring to before she won the confidence vote.  JRM and Johnson have been lobbing hand grenades from the side-lines for two years and had numerous opportunities to challenge her as she has been weak and vulnerable for a long time.

 

I agree that she will survive the vote today thanks to her Tory MPs.  Many of whom have been her biggest critics.  Much of the chaos is because they are all playing party politics and motivated by self interest.  Nothing to do with what is best for the country.

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31 minutes ago, ukrules said:

For there to be a hard brexit they don't need to vote.

In fact if they do nothing it will be a 'hard brexit' by default.

This is why they're all so busy trying to find some kind of deal.

Please keep up. It is just another deal now without a majority. Dream on if you think it will sit there at the end as the default.

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17 minutes ago, melvinmelvin said:

I donæt follow this closely,

but its not that long ago I got 5.5 baht for an oildollar, 3 years?

 

mai pen rai,

by and large the crappy exchange rates are signs that the Thai economy is improving, Thais should enjoy

 

5 years since that now, I think. Yes the baht has done well for 3 years or so but not so good for tourists, pensioners and now exports a bit. 

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36 minutes ago, tebee said:

They need someone to blame for not delivering "their" Brexit.

 

If they became leader, then they would indeed be blamed for not delivering it themselves, as it's probably near as dammit to impossible.   

 

Posturing for after-the-chaos glory !

They will naturally all try to avoid blame. May included.

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26 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Her sense of duty to whom I would have to ask?

And duty is not necessarily the same as honour.

Apart from that she can't dance worth a sh1t.

Good to know that Hard Brexiteers moonlight as judges on Strictly Come Dancing.

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6 minutes ago, dunroaming said:

I was referring to before she won the confidence vote.  JRM and Johnson have been lobbing hand grenades from the side-lines for two years and had numerous opportunities to challenge her as she has been weak and vulnerable for a long time.

 

I agree that she will survive the vote today thanks to her Tory MPs.  Many of whom have been her biggest critics.  Much of the chaos is because they are all playing party politics and motivated by self interest.  Nothing to do with what is best for the country.

Most of this chaos is directly down to the Maybot.

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8 minutes ago, dunroaming said:

I was referring to before she won the confidence vote.  JRM and Johnson have been lobbing hand grenades from the side-lines for two years and had numerous opportunities to challenge her as she has been weak and vulnerable for a long time.

 

I agree that she will survive the vote today thanks to her Tory MPs.  Many of whom have been her biggest critics.  Much of the chaos is because they are all playing party politics and motivated by self interest.  Nothing to do with what is best for the country.

Well, you could have said.

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40 minutes ago, dunroaming said:

Johnson said that she should go back to Brussels and tell them this won't wash and she wants a better deal.   JRM said that the government hadn't negotiated well  but neither of them said anything about leaving with no deal.  In fact JRM said that people were worried if we left under WTO rules.  Nothing from the weasel Gove or Fox as far as I know?  Very cautious comments coming from the gung ho brigade.

Gove and Fox are presently onside.

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3 minutes ago, nauseus said:

They will naturally all try to avoid blame. May included.

But I don't think she can.

 

This disastrous deal is down simply to her own prejudices and arbrity red lines. 

 

She may try to blame parliament  for rejecting it, but I don't think history will blame them.

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5 hours ago, evadgib said:

We were successfully trading with the furthest members of the Commonwealth long before joining the EU.

world trade has moved on from slaves and tobacco,the commonwealth is neither nowt nor something today and selling a few rolls royce's to africa and a few other tinpot countries isnt going to replace a continent's worth of trade 21 miles away,please stop clutching at straw's,even most MPs who wanted to leave have stopped dreaming this,these deals were nothing but hot air from BJ and farage,anyway brexit won the vote mainly because of immigration but its barely mentioned these days,its all talk about the damage leaving without a deal will do

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