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Brexit bedlam - May's EU divorce deal crushed by 230 votes in parliament

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2 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

To remind everyone.

 

Had not so called ‘Traitors’ and ‘Enemies of the people’ forced the Government to put Brexit before Parliament, this appalling deal would have been signed off by ‘executive order’ without scrutiny by Parliament and this very ‘meaningful vote’.

 

It might be a time for a little introspection for those among us who were not so long ago screaming ‘Traitors’, ‘Enemies of the people’.

 

 

Fat chance of that...

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2 hours ago, Samui Bodoh said:

Have the courage to say that this can't be done now. Forcing an uncontrolled hard Brexit down the throats of an unwilling populace will only cause division and discord for generations.

 

 

What an extraordinary leap of false logic!

 

Have the courage to say that NOW that the rotten deal presented by a Remainer PM has been voted down at last, parliament should follow the will of the people to leave the EU. Let's organise a controlled Brexit.

 

Here's a Plan:

 

A BETTER DEAL AND A BETTER FUTURE

 

An alternative written ministerial statement under the terms

of EUWA 2018 S13(4) 15 January 2019

 

Exiting the EU: the Government’s policy for EU withdrawal following the vote of the House of Commons on 15 January 2019.

 

http://2mbg6fgb1kl380gtk22pbxgw-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/A-Better-Deal-and-a-Better-Future.pdf

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1 hour ago, SheungWan said:

Hard Brexit doesn't have the votes in Parliament.

It doesn't need any votes. It is the default outcome if nobody prevents it from happening.

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3 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

“The easiest deal in human history”.

 

Those future trade deals will be a cinch.

You have more catchphrases than Bruce Forsyth. 😄

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Just now, vogie said:

You have more catchphrases than Bruce Forsyth. 😄

I get them free from the champions of Brexit.

 

I feel I ought to make the best of the only thing Brexit has.

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Where is the evidence for a no deal being suicide? I haven't seen any. A period of uncertainty say 3 to 6 months where stopping people at customs gets difficult. The UK can suspend all duties on food and medicine coming in. A modest loss of exports due to tariffs when trading under WTO rules (average tariff of 1.9% although it would obviously vary with the product/service mix of the US's actual exports). 

The City will lose the most but who are about those greedy  so-and-sos who crash the economy periodically with their greed.

Plus the UK saves itself 39 Billion pounds. 

All the gloom and doom comes from think-tanks forecasts and they have an agenda....they simply forecast whatever the payer for their services wants to see. 

The correct course of action is as follows: recall Article 50; call a general election; hold a second referendum. 

May has not acted in the UK's interests. The population voted for a no deal exit (no one had even heard of hard and soft Brexit before the election....out meant out where we made all our own decisions and kept hard borders to the people that voted for it.) May then negotiated a deal which was worse that staying in....and probably she knew it would not pass Parliament.

 

What is clear is that the UK's democracy is broken. The Party system that worked for many years no longer works. Our representatives in Parliament do not represent their constituents at all if 70% of MPs back Remain. Something needs to be done about this. Perhaps breaking up the Party system and have MPs vote the way their constituents want? 

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3 minutes ago, Pedrogaz said:

Where is the evidence for a no deal being suicide? I haven't seen any. A period of uncertainty say 3 to 6 months where stopping people at customs gets difficult. The UK can suspend all duties on food and medicine coming in. A modest loss of exports due to tariffs when trading under WTO rules (average tariff of 1.9% although it would obviously vary with the product/service mix of the US's actual exports). 

The City will lose the most but who are about those greedy  so-and-sos who crash the economy periodically with their greed.

Plus the UK saves itself 39 Billion pounds. 

All the gloom and doom comes from think-tanks forecasts and they have an agenda....they simply forecast whatever the payer for their services wants to see. 

The correct course of action is as follows: recall Article 50; call a general election; hold a second referendum. 

May has not acted in the UK's interests. The population voted for a no deal exit (no one had even heard of hard and soft Brexit before the election....out meant out where we made all our own decisions and kept hard borders to the people that voted for it.) May then negotiated a deal which was worse that staying in....and probably she knew it would not pass Parliament.

 

What is clear is that the UK's democracy is broken. The Party system that worked for many years no longer works. Our representatives in Parliament do not represent their constituents at all if 70% of MPs back Remain. Something needs to be done about this. Perhaps breaking up the Party system and have MPs vote the way their constituents want? 

We can find informed comment if we look for it.

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3 hours ago, Samui Bodoh said:

Yet, when the UK is divided in each and every sector, some say that that you MUST implement the most divisive public policy decision in 50+ years and/or go back and renegotiate with the EU. BTW, just why would the EU decide to re-negotiate? Why does anyone think the EU actually would give better terms? I wouldn't and can't think of any reason to think they would.

 

 

Because the UK imports far more from the EU than the EU does from the UK.

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14 minutes ago, pedro01 said:

 

Because the UK imports far more from the EU than the EU does from the UK.

That only confirms that the UK needs the EU more than the other way around. So why would the EU offer better terms?

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4 hours ago, bomber said:

65-70% of MPs dont want brexit on both sides,a leave PM would make it even worse as a no deal is suicide,brexit needs stopping,it was a farce from the off and has just got stupider by the day,give me a german master any day,JC is coming and that is even worse

What's your name? Halifax?

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4 hours ago, Samui Bodoh said:

BTW, just why would the EU decide to re-negotiate? Why does anyone think the EU actually would give better terms? I wouldn't and can't think of any reason to think they would.

 

 

If the negotiators believe that they once ruled the waves and tamed a continent, they'd get the deal they want,  Sadly, such a person and persons do not exist today, as they have been made to take estrogen shots by the liberal media.

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3 minutes ago, JAG said:

What's your name? Halifax?

Haw Haw, had to laugh at that.

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non conf motion, and/or WHAT NOW

 

some on TVF has opined that TM might resign, maybe already this week

should that happen it will be fairly quick to put a new Cabinet in place

 

if non conf passes,

that will lead to GE and a new government, 3 weeks? 4 weeks? (2 weeks + 1 or 2)

Corbyn's vision is to jump on the train to Brussels and renegotiate (parts of) the deal.

At this late hour, I think that will remain as a wet dream.

If such a motion had been passed last October, yes, maybe.

 

non conf fails, TM stays on as PM, unless she should resign, as some suggest

several have opined that she will likely survive with a small margin

Labour+LibDem will support motion, SNP?

Tory and DUP will oppose motion

 

Whatever the final outcome of the Brexit process,

it will hardly result in any great national happiness, a fair amount of unhappiness is on the horizon.

 

The Tory motley crew, bojo rees-mogg raab et al has expressed support for TM and will oppose the motion

 

Now, in the longer perspective, next regular GE etc,

is it wise for Tory to let TM continue to further mess around with the Brexit process?

(she is clearly quite divisive and not keen on any kind of cooperation)

Is there any gain for Tory in that.

Or will Tory's future political aspirations be better served by sidelining her?

 

just asking

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36 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

We can find informed comment if we look for it.

You'll have to wait til I join in 😁

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