spidermike007 Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 5 hours ago, Longcut said: It looks to me that he is gaining support. More Dems are angry at Pelosi than are angry with Trump. Quite the opposite, is where truth (that bizarre and mysterious thing) lies. The dems would never forgive here, if she caved on this silly, inane wall. Trump is simply using the bully tactics he was able to get away with his entire life. Not against Pelosi. She can bully him right out of the boxing ring. If this were a boxing match, Trump would not last a round against Pelosi. He is outclassed on every level. She is a master negotiator. He cannot negotiate his way out of a paper bag. If the five massive bankruptcies did not prove that to you, how about his negotiations with Canada, China, NATO, Putin, or Kim? The facts are, that even amongst some of his die hard republican supporters (especially those without a college education), support for the shutdown is waning, and he is being blamed. He has boxed himself into a corner, and each day the hole just gets deeper. He is now attending a master class, and Pelosi is schooling this lightweight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 "trump" didn't even have majority support for his great fantasy metaphor wall of "trump" when he was elected, and much less now. It is a very stupid shutdown though. If we had a normal president some amount additional barriers could easily be passed as part of a border security package if justified in a normal manner for the specific cases. But sold by the racist demagogue ("Mexicans are rapists") con man president, yes, it is immoral to cave to such a horrible authoritarian wannabe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristolboy Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 1 hour ago, mcambl61 said: noteworthy is leaving out the decades of democratic rule mired in corruption and mismanagement and decades of infrastructure failures and incompetence, but ignoring that is the point. Really? Do you mean big D Democrat? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristolboy Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 1 hour ago, Srinivas said: and quotes the ever editable wikipedia???? Which supplies footnotes. You know what footnotes are? And in this case the foonote links to factcheck.org: https://www.factcheck.org/2008/12/nancy-pelosis-personal-jet/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenl Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 I don't believe this trip was necessary, so don't mind she is not going. At the same time, the petty politics from Trump are disgusting, and the number of people apparently supporting this childish behaviour is incredible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billd766 Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 3 hours ago, mcambl61 said: in the middle of a shutdown while refusing to negotiate? Why not? Trump did it in December 2018. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keemapoot Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 6 minutes ago, stevenl said: I don't believe this trip was necessary, so don't mind she is not going. At the same time, the petty politics from Trump are disgusting, and the number of people apparently supporting this childish behaviour is incredible. Yeah, this whole thing is just a silly side show between Trump and Pelosi. Rand Paul jokingly (or not) said the Senate should offer to host Trump for the Address, but nobody takes that seriously. Actually, I think Pelosi should let Trump have his peacock moment in front of the Congress and world. I think it would illustrate clearly to voters in a memorialized way which members are strong supporters of Trump so they can take the heat when Trump falls soon after the Mueller report is out. Tapes can be played and replayed of those Republicans that fawn over this charlatan. All that show of respect for a soon-to-be disgraced conman. Hard to live that down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lannarebirth Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 11 minutes ago, Jingthing said: "trump" didn't even have majority support for his great fantasy metaphor wall of "trump" when he was elected, and much less now. It is a very stupid shutdown though. If we had a normal president some amount additional barriers could easily be passed as part of a border security package if justified in a normal manner for the specific cases. But sold by the racist demagogue ("Mexicans are rapists") con man president, yes, it is immoral to cave to such a horrible authoritarian wannabe. So you're saying he's right, maybe, but the "optics" are all wrong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristolboy Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 1 hour ago, mcambl61 said: judicial watch is a fake news site? so a site that provides a very detailed accounting with actual receipts is now fake news? amazing http://www.judicialwatch.org/files/documents/2011/usaf-pelosi-docs-1-07062011.pdf You mean the organization the promoted the false Vince Foster murder conspiracy? Falsely accused Nancy Pelosi of using a private jet? Falsely claimed that ISIS had set up camp in Mexico? Promoted the false Seth Rich murder conspiracy theory? Made false voter fraud claims? Falsely claimed that government funds paid for a billboard depicting Trump as a Nazi? Falsely claimed that the Clinton Foundation funded Chelsea Clinton's wedding in Haiti? Promoted the false claim that George Soros funded the Guatemalan caravan? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judicial_Watch But, hey, they provide receipts as evidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lannarebirth Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 11 minutes ago, bristolboy said: Really? Do you mean big D Democrat? I think he does. While failing to mention the Republicans are just as bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billd766 Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 2 hours ago, riclag said: The POTUS is the Commander and Chief of the Arm forces ,Pelosi isn't! So HE can do whatever HE wants at the expense of the country and nobody should object? That is on the way to over ruling the House and Senate and on the way to dictatorship. If you want an example see Thailand 2014 to the present day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristolboy Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 1 hour ago, Thainesss said: You keep polishing that turd, but it'll never shine like you think it will. That "Important Trip" was nothing more than democrat face-time and publicity. You know it. I definitely know it. Everyone knows it. And it was shut right down. Another right-wing mind reader. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristolboy Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 3 minutes ago, lannarebirth said: I think he does. While failing to mention the Republicans are just as bad. Actually there is no democratic or republican party in Puerto Rico. At least not with any significant presence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Srinivas Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 14 minutes ago, bristolboy said: Which supplies footnotes. You know what footnotes are? And in this case the foonote links to factcheck.org: https://www.factcheck.org/2008/12/nancy-pelosis-personal-jet/ factcheck.org funded byWalter Annenberg, the newspaper magnate and Stanton founder of CBS. no agenda there. ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristolboy Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 Just now, Srinivas said: factcheck.org funded byWalter Annenberg, the newspaper magnate and Stanton founder of CBS. no agenda there. ???? The facts are bullet-proof in this case. But leave it to you to come up with a smear. That's what those with no use for facts do to defend their lies and those of their allies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhys Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 Separate but equal branch of the US GOVT.... Go for it Nancy.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Srinivas Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 1 minute ago, bristolboy said: The facts are bullet-proof in this case. But leave it to you to come up with a smear. That's what those with no use for facts do to defend their lies and those of their allies. Dude factcheck was initially funded by the ebay,dude that funded a "never trump pac" Dunbar, John, Michael Beckel, and Carrie Levine. 2016. “Pierre Omidyar Gives $100,000 To New Anti-Trump Super PAC”. Center For Public Integrity. Accessed January 2 2018. https://www.publicintegrity.org/2016/04/15/19564/pierre-omidyar-gives-100000-new-anti-trump-super-pac. ↩ hows that for a footnote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lannarebirth Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 15 minutes ago, billd766 said: So HE can do whatever HE wants at the expense of the country and nobody should object? That is on the way to over ruling the House and Senate and on the way to dictatorship. If you want an example see Thailand 2014 to the present day. Everyone can object if they choose to. I'm looking forward to that. Not just for this awful preidency but the awful presidencies to follow. Actually, I think we'll get back on track after the next awful presidency. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lannarebirth Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 25 minutes ago, bristolboy said: Actually there is no democratic or republican party in Puerto Rico. At least not with any significant presence. I'm thinking of moving to Puerto Rico. 4% corporate tax rate. I think last year's hurricane might have marked the bottom on Puerto Rico. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riclag Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 Pelosi asked the POTUS to reschedule the SOTU address because of "security concerns" regarding the shutdown while ignoring the REAL security concerns at the SB!Time and time again, she and her liberal anti border security friends ignore American's ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lannarebirth Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 42 minutes ago, billd766 said: So HE can do whatever HE wants at the expense of the country and nobody should object? That is on the way to over ruling the House and Senate and on the way to dictatorship. If you want an example see Thailand 2014 to the present day. US presidential powers are welll circumscribed. The problem lies mainly with the people's representatives. Most of them, on both sides of the aisle are simply horrible and are in the pockets of those who raise their election funds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rgraham Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 Excellent move! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anon676545345 Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 29 minutes ago, lannarebirth said: US presidential powers are welll circumscribed. The problem lies mainly with the people's representatives. Most of them, on both sides of the aisle are simply horrible and are in the pockets of those who raise their election funds. Politics in all western countries is a joke it's all ridiculous arguments over identity politics while the politicians push though the corporatist agenda of their sponsors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farcanell Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 30 minutes ago, lannarebirth said: US presidential powers are welll circumscribed. The problem lies mainly with the people's representatives. Most of them, on both sides of the aisle are simply horrible and are in the pockets of those who raise their election funds. No... they are not, which is why there is debate about this whole state of emergency deal, or wether a sitting president can get away with committing crimes..... the constitution is deliberately vague on it and open to interpretation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Srinivas Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 1 hour ago, bristolboy said: Which supplies footnotes. You know what footnotes are? And in this case the foonote links to factcheck.org: https://www.factcheck.org/2008/12/nancy-pelosis-personal-jet/ Atleast Judicial Watch is open about conservative leaning and actually files FOIA to get at the documents while Factcheck on the other pretends to be non partisan while founded an funded by Democracy Fund, which in turn is founded by Ebay guy Omidyar who is a renowned leftist media financier, anti trump pac financier on top of other media magnates mentioned previously. https://www.influencewatch.org/person/pierre-omidyar/ I admit they do have a great domain name factcheck.ogr but devils in the details. footnotes???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Becker Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 6 minutes ago, Chartist said: Politics in all western countries is a joke it's all ridiculous arguments over identity politics while the politicians push though the corporatist agenda of their sponsors. And the solution is? Because if you don't have any I smell a Russian troll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farcanell Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 1 minute ago, Chartist said: Politics in all western countries is a joke it's all ridiculous arguments over identity politics while the politicians push though the corporatist agenda of their sponsors. Disagree.... Politics in fully democratic countries ( which does not include the US) is much more transparent, and corruption, where it exists, is much less in scope.... by and large, it’s the US that cowtows to corporate sponsors, and is an unfathomable joke to the rest of the western world in a parliamentarian system, this would not happen. A double dissolution would be enacted, and a new election called, such that the people can decide... the threat of this controls governmental over reach Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristolboy Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 1 hour ago, Srinivas said: Dude factcheck was initially funded by the ebay,dude that funded a "never trump pac" Dunbar, John, Michael Beckel, and Carrie Levine. 2016. “Pierre Omidyar Gives $100,000 To New Anti-Trump Super PAC”. Center For Public Integrity. Accessed January 2 2018. https://www.publicintegrity.org/2016/04/15/19564/pierre-omidyar-gives-100000-new-anti-trump-super-pac. ↩ hows that for a footnote And therefore that disproves the information provided? You think that factcheck lied about it? Has anyone challenged their version with independently verifiable facts? Some people out there might actually have an interest in providing verifiable facts. Their political opinions might just possibly be irrelevant. Clearly this doesn't apply to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farcanell Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 51 minutes ago, riclag said: Pelosi asked the POTUS to reschedule the SOTU address because of "security concerns" regarding the shutdown while ignoring the REAL security concerns at the SB!Time and time again, she and her liberal anti border security friends ignore American's ! Pelosi and her liberal anti border friends where just elected to add checks and balances to trumps dictatorial tendencies, as trump was ignoring the American people’s. Any other conclusion beggars belief. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farcanell Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 13 minutes ago, Becker said: And the solution is? A25, I believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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