Rimmer Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 Pattaya launches study into tram system PATTAYA:--Pattaya has launched a formal feasibility study of using electric trams as part of the city’s efforts to improve mass transit. Deputy City Manager Sutham Petchket chaired the Jan. 10 meeting of local and regional transportation officials and Sumet Piriyawat of Burapa University’s Engineering Faculty who is working as an advisor on the project to the Mass Rapid Transit Authority of Thailand. The go-ahead for the feasibility study was given Dec. 20 and now Pattaya will hold a series of public meetings to gauge the cost, design, environmental impact and operational aspects of a tram system. In June, Thammasat University researchers tested electric tram cars in Pattaya. They ran the rubber-wheeled trollies on four routes from Naklua to Jomtien Beach. Read more: http://www.pattayamail.com/news/pattaya-launches-study-tram-system-241957 -- © Copyright Pattaya Mail 2019-01-18 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBadGeordie Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 We all know what the answer is! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chang_paarp Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 I suspect it will go the same place as the bus. Did not last long when the Pattaya Baht Bus Co-operative decided it was competition. The bus drivers valued their live more than their job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkeycu Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 How much is this little exercise going to cost, and more importantly how much will these likely lads make out of it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
champers Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 As worthy as it may be to involve local universities, I wonder if it might be more useful if foreign advisors were sought. More specifically, companies with direct experience of building and/or operating a tram system. Chinese and Japanese help has been utilised for some of the major rail projects in the country, so there is a precedent. No loss of face to worry about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacko45k Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 6 minutes ago, champers said: As worthy as it may be to involve local universities, I wonder if it might be more useful if foreign advisors were sought. More specifically, companies with direct experience of building and/or operating a tram system. Chinese and Japanese help has been utilised for some of the major rail projects in the country, so there is a precedent. No loss of face to worry about. Weren't Germany and Italy involved in the Skytrain too? No shame going to experienced companies,there is zero in Thailand wrt trams. Pattaya needs something, it is not far from standstill, and a lot of the delays are caused by the baht buses it would replace. Not in my lifetime though! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hansnl Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 1 hour ago, champers said: As worthy as it may be to involve local universities, I wonder if it might be more useful if foreign advisors were sought. More specifically, companies with direct experience of building and/or operating a tram system. Chinese and Japanese help has been utilised for some of the major rail projects in the country, so there is a precedent. No loss of face to worry about. There seems to be nobody interested enough to realise there is a much cheaper solution. It is called, wait for it, a trolleybus system on a seperate lane where possible and with right of way where it isn't possible to realise seperate lanes. The overhead wiring plus the lanes are costing half of a tramsystem. Building the system will cost about a third of the tram, and it is more silent. There are very long buses available with a capacity of up to 250 passengers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
champers Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 6 minutes ago, hansnl said: There seems to be nobody interested enough to realise there is a much cheaper solution. It is called, wait for it, a trolleybus system on a seperate lane where possible and with right of way where it isn't possible to realise seperate lanes. The overhead wiring plus the lanes are costing half of a tramsystem. Building the system will cost about a third of the tram, and it is more silent. There are very long buses available with a capacity of up to 250 passengers. Is this like in San Fancisco? If not, where, please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Srikcir Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 10 minutes ago, champers said: Is this like in San Fancisco? If not, where, please? Vancouver, Canada https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trolley_buses_in_Vancouver Sorry, I took 1 minute to find this, might be more examples. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toknarok Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 A modern tram system need not run on rails, or need wires to make it function. "Trams' will run on existing roads where a series of sensors have been implanted. These sensors steer the trams, no human driver is envisaged in many cases' No costly digging up of roads to lay rail tracks. With proper planning the sensors could be laid overnight. The cost saving potentials are enormous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulic Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 whatever project has the biggest trough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overherebc Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 51 minutes ago, hansnl said: There seems to be nobody interested enough to realise there is a much cheaper solution. It is called, wait for it, a trolleybus system on a seperate lane where possible and with right of way where it isn't possible to realise seperate lanes. The overhead wiring plus the lanes are costing half of a tramsystem. Building the system will cost about a third of the tram, and it is more silent. There are very long buses available with a capacity of up to 250 passengers. Got to convince the drivers not to take short cuts though. Edit. And stop the baht buses parking in the bus lane. ???????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mok199 Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 Park and Rides are the only solution.the days of driving into the city center must end,pattaya is choking to Death.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaoboi Bebobp Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 Before approving and building a transit service, maybe they had better fix another problem first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petermik Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 It,s the country of great ideas....implementation is another matter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldrunner Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 My plan me cheap, brown envelope in big pocket work best, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dennis123 Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 Trams are dangerous as hell when walking around at night, we have lots of trams in Amsterdam, and lots of small accidents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MyFriend You Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 19 hours ago, champers said: Is this like in San Fancisco? If not, where, please? I agree they should have Wiki-Wiki busses like in Waikiki Hawaii, with monthkly bus passes hop on hop off..........but the baht bus mafia would never allow it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KiChakayan Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 No brainer if they wanted to make Pattaya a family destination. Close beach road to 90% of the traffic and implement something like that: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snow Leopard Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 19 hours ago, hansnl said: There seems to be nobody interested enough to realise there is a much cheaper solution. It is called, wait for it, a trolleybus system on a seperate lane where possible and with right of way where it isn't possible to realise seperate lanes. The overhead wiring plus the lanes are costing half of a tramsystem. Building the system will cost about a third of the tram, and it is more silent. There are very long buses available with a capacity of up to 250 passengers. Exactly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fforest1 Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 Beach and second road is the last place Pattaya needs a tram....There are like a Zillion baht buses there now.....How about a tram out to the lake or some thing useful... Who the hell is going to ride the tram? Are you going to wait 10-15-20 minutes for the tram or catch a baht bus in 30 seconds? The ONLY way the tram would work would be to ban the baht buses....Talk about a downgrade.... O-yea and the Zillion baht tram cant charge over 10 baht to compete with the baht buses.... The tram is just a stupid and expensive idea for Beach and 2nd road...How about that turn at walking street from Beach road to 2nd road ? They would have to tear out a lot of buildings there to make that work.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Briggsy Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 Not Thai culture. Thai intra-city public transport needs to slow, polluting, dangerous, unscheduled and uncomfortable with the obligatory risk potential of a driver on the edge of a psychopathic violent attack against any commuter who might complain. Respect Thai culture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacko45k Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 12 hours ago, fforest1 said: They would have to tear out a lot of buildings there to make that work.... It doesn't work now! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a977 Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 19 hours ago, KiChakayan said: No brainer if they wanted to make Pattaya a family destination. Close beach road to 90% of the traffic and implement something like that: I can just imagine one of these going in each directions down Soi Bukhaow, there'd be a few push carts and motorbikes running for their lives Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Briggsy Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 Been done before https://www.flickr.com/photos/ssave/8386586431 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebell Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 This comes round every couple of years. Every one studies the idea earnestly whilst stuffing their face at the junket then someone reminds them that the local fuzz and the meterless taximeter taxis and the baht bus mafia won't allow it. The matter is then shelved until they get hungry again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete1980 Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 i dont think this is practical for pattayas demographics. Imagine school kids and the normal citzens having to share a tram with a large group of drunken whoremongers and their slutty escorts. It happens already on the baht buses but on a smaller scale. Baht buses are best for pattaya. if they want to make pattaya more tourist friendly they could provide bins and clear away the piles of rubbish in every soi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitemouse Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 How about solved the mystery of metered taxis in Pattaya, before getting into tram and subway systems? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperTed Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 Absolutely the way to go. We need it in Hua Hin as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacko45k Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 1 hour ago, Pete1980 said: It happens already on the baht buses but on a smaller scale. Baht buses are best for pattaya. Well at the moment they are horribly polluting, and seriously impede traffic moving (stop where they like, park where they like, mostly at the junctions). But the large coaches are even more of a problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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