rkidlad Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 Just now, robblok said: They are experts in corruption and buy stuff based on what yields the best options for corruption. They are certainly not tank experts.. and yes I know about the bomb detector. So what’s your point? Again, the people buying the tanks are unlikely to be tank experts. Therefore, they may well be buying them thinking they are a good tool for protestors. Skim money from the deals AND intimidate protestors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robblok Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 4 minutes ago, rkidlad said: So what’s your point? Again, the people buying the tanks are unlikely to be tank experts. Therefore, they may well be buying them thinking they are a good tool for protestors. Skim money from the deals AND intimidate protestors. The point is that tanks are not good crowd control tools, but you seem to think that the people buying them thinks they are. That might be so but they are not. Someone mentioned this saying they were good for crowd control, i just disputed that. I did not dispute that the people who bought them might think otherwise, though IMHO its all about skimming money and not crowd control in their head. Just look at their purchases in the past including the bomb detectors. They seem to buy all kind of stuff that usually does not match what they already have creating maintenance problems and such. So i think not much thought is ever put into the usability of what they buy, just about the commission they receive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rimmer Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 A baiting troll post and reply have been removed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkidlad Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 1 minute ago, robblok said: The point is that tanks are not good crowd control tools, but you seem to think that the people buying them thinks they are. That might be so but they are not. Someone mentioned this saying they were good for crowd control, i just disputed that. I did not dispute that the people who bought them might think otherwise, though IMHO its all about skimming money and not crowd control in their head. Just look at their purchases in the past including the bomb detectors. They seem to buy all kind of stuff that usually does not match what they already have creating maintenance problems and such. So i think not much thought is ever put into the usability of what they buy, just about the commission they receive. “That might be so but they are not” That’s completely your own contradictory opinion. I saw tanks on the streets during the 2006 coup. Whether they were there to intimidate, or whether they were there just for s**** and giggles, they were there. And I’m sure we’ll see them again if there are big protests or another coup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChipButty Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 Getting ready for the next Coup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robblok Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 7 minutes ago, rkidlad said: “That might be so but they are not” That’s completely your own contradictory opinion. I saw tanks on the streets during the 2006 coup. Whether they were there to intimidate, or whether they were there just for s**** and giggles, they were there. And I’m sure we’ll see them again if there are big protests or another coup. Maybe I should have written it more clearly, the people buying MIGHT think they are good for crowd control, but in reality they are not. Not my opinion that of real experts. Yes tanks are still used to intimidate people but if people are determined then tanks just won't work. They work ok for people who are NOT determined enough. Problem with tanks is the drivers, more often then not they refuse to drive over someone and when it happens you get the worst possible media backlash ever. To see how bad tanks are look at Tienanmen how a single protester blocked them. More examples are during Hungary its depart from the USSR block. So yes they might deter some people but if people set their minds to it they are useless. Not saying we won't see them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nong38 Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 They, the Thai military, whose job description I would have thought would be something like defending the country from foreign invasion (discuss who that might be), have to have the new toys, its like shopping for handbags or watches and yet apart from a brief skirmish in the 1940's when did the Thai military see any action? Oh I forgot when they moved against the Thais, something of a regular occurrence over time the only time they can claim to have been in action, you could not make it up. They want people to vote for them when they buy weaponry rather than improve the country in some way, brilliant tactics to ensure victory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snow Leopard Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 16 hours ago, NCC1701A said: here is a training film to go with the state of the art tanks. They dont make training videos like that anymore 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChipButty Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 There are lots of kids that would benefit in this country from that amount of money being wasted And they expect people to vote for these clowns Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snow Leopard Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 I wonder why the Chinese win all these contracts ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snow Leopard Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 1 minute ago, ChipButty said: There are lots of kids that would benefit in this country from that amount of money being wasted That requires a heart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkidlad Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 2 minutes ago, robblok said: Maybe I should have written it more clearly, the people buying MIGHT think they are good for crowd control, but in reality they are not. Not my opinion that of real experts. Yes tanks are still used to intimidate people but if people are determined then tanks just won't work. They work ok for people who are NOT determined enough. Problem with tanks is the drivers, more often then not they refuse to drive over someone and when it happens you get the worst possible media backlash ever. To see how bad tanks are look at Tienanmen how a single protester blocked them. More examples are during Hungary its depart from the USSR block. So yes they might deter some people but if people set their minds to it they are useless. Not saying we won't see them. And again, whether they work as a tool against protestors or not, it doesn’t matter. If the people buying them think they work as a good tool, posters are well within their rights to post their opinion that they’re being bought for future protestors. They bought bomb detectors that weren’t bomb detectors, for heaven’s sake. Even after they were were told what they really were, they continued using them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChipButty Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 2 minutes ago, Snow Leopard said: I wonder why the Chinese win all these contracts ???? Let governments buy them on the never never Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
car720 Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 17 hours ago, thequietman said: All Thai tanks have 4 reverse gears and 1 forward gear if they get attacked from behind. I thought that was Italian tanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
car720 Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 16 minutes ago, Snow Leopard said: I wonder why the Chinese win all these contracts ???? because they understand the art of face. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snow Leopard Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 4 minutes ago, car720 said: because they understand the art of face. More like bribe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snow Leopard Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 21 minutes ago, ChipButty said: Let governments buy them on the never never With a substantial personal contribution as well to a private account in the Bank of China. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snow Leopard Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 This is the stupidest argument I have ever heard. Cost Vs Value. Does anyone think that the Chinese tanks will still be in service in 40 years? I think not. The only reason they didn't buy American or Western is that these companies won't pay bribes to tinpot dictators. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mavideol Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 48 minutes ago, Snow Leopard said: I wonder why the Chinese win all these contracts ???? should say Chinese government because all their ""so called independent/public/owner operated"" companies belong to the CCP thus western public companies have no negotiating power or back up to compete with the CCP companies.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mavideol Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 I said it once, I said it twice and will say it the 3rd time.... Thailand was warned, they are coming for you, it started with travel agencies, mafia, students, etc., and now the tanks, same way it started in the south china sea... colonization process Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcusarelus Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 25 minutes ago, Snow Leopard said: This is the stupidest argument I have ever heard. Cost Vs Value. Does anyone think that the Chinese tanks will still be in service in 40 years? I think not. The only reason they didn't buy American or Western is that these companies won't pay bribes to tinpot dictators. M41 Walker Bulldog tank manufactured in 1951 by Polish workers in Hamtramckc Michigan. They don't make em like that anymore. Below recent photo Bangkok. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickymouse1 Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 THAILAND as well as most if not all ASEAN MEMBERS live in harmony and no external threat (unless CHINA TRIES) Therefore no need for Tanks at all unless for show. How much is the deal and who is involved? Will COSTS be discussed in parliament ....???????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chainarong Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 Fifty tanks , just what Thailand needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d2b2 Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 They have AI, meaning the Chinese can remotely operate them should the need arise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zydeco Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 3 hours ago, Snow Leopard said: This is the stupidest argument I have ever heard. Cost Vs Value. Does anyone think that the Chinese tanks will still be in service in 40 years? I think not. The only reason they didn't buy American or Western is that these companies won't pay bribes to tinpot dictators. They will not be in service 40 months from when they arrive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zydeco Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 3 hours ago, Mavideol said: I said it once, I said it twice and will say it the 3rd time.... Thailand was warned, they are coming for you, it started with travel agencies, mafia, students, etc., and now the tanks, same way it started in the south china sea... colonization process Only one country in the region that is threatening to invade the others. And that is the country they bought the tanks from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisY1 Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 Maybe this might help them decide: New Weapon Designed By Russian Inventor Demonstrating Of Destroying US, Israel and Russian Tanks.webloc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
300sd Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 “China is now at the forefront of military technology,” the spokesman said. “They even have AI. We should stop looking down on them.” Well I agree with the last sentence. Kind of shows one how these special gov't officials regard others. Mind you, lately, I am looking down on them! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eligius Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 8 hours ago, PatOngo said: I think you miss the point, tanks are essential for the military to suppress opposition, crowds and protest and they are more than handy for taking over democratically elected govt's. That's the only time they are paraded. Yes. The Thai military and their tanks are not there to protect the Thai people from enemies from without; they are there to protect the faux-elite from 'enemies' from within (i.e. the Thai people)! They are there to frighten and intimidate. All show - but with a nasty threat of REAL violence behind them .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simtemple Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 Thailand's Armys only real purpose is to protect the rich from the poor. The tanks will roll into Esaan when Suthep Thaugsuban next wants to supress Red Shirt demands for democracy & political equality. Elite power must be maintained at all costs, even if it comes out of the barrel of a tank cannon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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