GONE TO GROUND Fugitive speedboat killer Jack Shepherd ‘is hiding from justice in remote village in Thailand’

[Tongjaw 662]

Just now, sanemax said:

Have a BBC link then, which states "

"In mobile phone footage filmed during the date, Ms Brown could be heard shouting that they were going "so fast" as Shepherd drove at more than double the 12 knot speed limit.

On the return journey, Shepherd handed over the controls to Ms Brown who followed suit and went "full throttle".

The speeding boat hit a submerged log and tipped over, sending both of them into the Thames"

And in future , do your own research before calling people trolls 

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-44924244 

No matter what link you post, the man is guilty and your still victim blaming, troll.

[mauGR1 4,133]

5 minutes ago, Tongjaw said:

No matter what link you post, the man is guilty and your still victim blaming, troll.

Your comment is over the top, really, wonder what would be your position if the man had died and the woman had survived.

Or you are the kind of 'the women are always innocent' type ?

[sanemax 18,495]

10 minutes ago, Tongjaw said:

No matter what link you post, the man is guilty and your still victim blaming, troll.

It would be nice if we could discuss this civilly , without make accusations of "victim blaming " and calling people "trolls" .

   I am not trying to blame her or anyone , my point was that (IMO) they were both equally at fault and therefore a long jail term is a harsh sentence . 

[Briggsy 17,866]

44 minutes ago, sanemax said:

I wonder what would have happened if they had jointly hired the boat ? 

I cannot envisage them bring a prosecution in those circumstances .

So, his problem is that it was his boat .

That is precisely the issue. You cannot just hire a speedboat and race up and down the Thames past the Houses of Parliament like you can hire a Honda Wave in Chiang Mai.

 

You need a licence. You need permits. You need to adhere to rules. It is a busy stretch of water. Perhaps you recall the Marchioness disaster He was well pissed. He ignored all manner of rules pertaining to safety. These include but are not limited to mandatory life jackets, speed limit, alcohol and allowing unlicensed persons to take the controls.

 

 

44 minutes ago, sanemax said:

 

 

[Tongjaw 662]

8 minutes ago, mauGR1 said:

Your comment is over the top, really, wonder what would be your position if the man had died and the woman had survived.

Or you are the kind of 'the women are always innocent' type ?

I'm the type who doesn't victim blame. The man was found guilty in a court of law in the UK, he didn't show up for the trial and went on the run. Does that sound like an innocent party to you? 

[Tongjaw 662]

14 minutes ago, sanemax said:

It would be nice if we could discuss this civilly , without make accusations of "victim blaming " and calling people "trolls" .

   I am not trying to blame her or anyone , my point was that (IMO) they were both equally at fault and therefore a long jail term is a harsh sentence . 

A 6-year sentence is not a long sentence for manslaughter in the UK. 

Depending on the severity of the offense – and if it is classified as a voluntary or involuntary act – the maximum sentence for manslaughter in the UK is life imprisonment. However, the judge may impose a lesser sentence, including a prison sentence – typically ranging between 2-10 years.

(IMO) He was not given a harsh sentence.

[mauGR1 4,133]

4 minutes ago, Tongjaw said:

I'm the type who doesn't victim blame. The man was found guilty in a court of law in the UK, he didn't show up for the trial and went on the run. Does that sound like an innocent party to you? 

Well, isn't it you who are calling people troll for discussing the issue ?

So, if the woman was drunk and driving recklessly, doesn't that make her at least partly responsible ?

one can be victim of others bad behaviour, or of his/her own bad behaviour, and this can be debated without calling people trolls.

[Lacessit 7,635]

2 hours ago, colinneil said:

Hiding in a remote village, bit stupid if he is, because no way can a farang hide in a remote village.

Not so sure about that, Colin. While it's true everyone in my GF's village knows me, I have never seen a single authority figure there. The villagers don quasi-police uniforms on the public holidays to keep an eye on the drunks, and the Phu Yai settles all the disputes.

Mind you, the real police on a checkpoint on the main highway about 5 km away are about as slothful as you can get.

[sanemax 18,495]

23 minutes ago, Briggsy said:

That is precisely the issue. You cannot just hire a speedboat and race up and down the Thames past the Houses of Parliament like you can hire a Honda Wave in Chiang Mai.

 

You need a licence. You need permits. You need to adhere to rules. It is a busy stretch of water. Perhaps you recall the Marchioness disaster He was well pissed. He ignored all manner of rules pertaining to safety. These include but are not limited to mandatory life jackets, speed limit, alcohol and allowing unlicensed persons to take the controls.

 

I dont think that you do , you dont need a licence or a permit to sail a speedboat on the Thames , you can just get in and sail away , although there are different rules for bigger passenger boats , which require licences and permits

[roo860 4,890]

6 year sentence, he'd serve half, then on license for the rest.

A 6-year sentence is not a long sentence for manslaughter in the UK. 
Depending on the severity of the offense – and if it is classified as a voluntary or involuntary act – the maximum sentence for manslaughter in the UK is life imprisonment. However, the judge may impose a lesser sentence, including a prison sentence – typically ranging between 2-10 years.
(IMO) He was not given a harsh sentence.

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[GroveHillWanderer 1,038]

50 minutes ago, sanemax said:

No, you havent read any of the reports , after that , she took over driving and it was then that they crashed , when she was driving full throttle (I have already provided links to prove this )

I have looked and looked, I can't find anything that in any report of the trial where evidence was provided establishing it as fact that she took the wheel. Yes, several of the later reports mention it as if it were a fact but no actual evidence of why they think this, is given.

 

There was proof, in the form of a video, that he was in control shortly before the boat overturned and she was shouting that he was going too fast but I still don't see where they're getting this claim that she was piloting the boat from, other than Shepherd himself. Based on all the reports I can dredge up, there were no eye-witnesses and no footage of the actual crash itself.

 

Of course, there could be something I'm missing so if you have an evidentiary source that proves she was driving, I'd be interested to see it.

[Tongjaw 662]

10 minutes ago, mauGR1 said:

Well, isn't it you who are calling people troll for discussing the issue ?

So, if the woman was drunk and driving recklessly, doesn't that make her at least partly responsible ?

one can be victim of others bad behaviour, or of his/her own bad behaviour, and this can be debated without calling people trolls.

Whats to debate.

Jack Shepherd was found guilty of manslaughter, didn't have the ba**s to show up in court and subsequently is on the run. Charlotte Brown ( RIP ) is not here to defend herself, she was not found guilty of anything in the court of law, and I will have no part in victim blaming. If certain TV members want to go down that route fine but I will not blame the innocent as proven in the court and I will not defend the guilty as proven in the court and by his actions. 

[sanemax 18,495]

16 minutes ago, Tongjaw said:

A 6-year sentence is not a long sentence for manslaughter in the UK. 

Depending on the severity of the offense – and if it is classified as a voluntary or involuntary act – the maximum sentence for manslaughter in the UK is life imprisonment. However, the judge may impose a lesser sentence, including a prison sentence – typically ranging between 2-10 years.

(IMO) He was not given a harsh sentence.

  I am not suggesting that a 6 year sentence  for manslaughter is a harsh sentence , I am saying that his conviction was a harsh judgement , considering that she was driving the boat willingly at full throttle .

   

[roo860 4,890]

I dont think that you do , you dont need a licence or a permit to sail a speedboat on the Thames , you can just get in and sail away , although there are different rules for bigger passenger boats , which require licences and permits

You need a licence to drive/sail/operate any boat or craft on inland waters in the UK. There is nowhere on that stretch of the Thames where you can individually hire and drive a speed boat. There a companies that will take you on them.

 

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[sanemax 18,495]

4 minutes ago, GroveHillWanderer said:

I have looked and looked, I can't find anything that in any report of the trial where evidence was provided establishing it as fact that she took the wheel. Yes, several of the later reports mention it as if it were a fact but no actual evidence of why they think this, is given.

 

There was proof, in the form of a video, that he was in control shortly before the boat overturned and she was shouting that he was going too fast but I still don't see where they're getting this claim that she was piloting the boat from, other than Shepherd himself. Based on all the reports I can dredge up, there were no eye-witnesses and no footage of the actual crash itself.

 

Of course, there could be something I'm missing so if you have an evidentiary source that proves she was driving, I'd be interested to see it.

The Courts accepted that she was driving the boat , maybe her injuries or some other evidence backed that up?