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BANGKOK 17 February 2019 05:24
Lovelypaiday

rejected entry and sent back home.

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I was denied entry at Bangkok Suvarnabhumi a few nights ago and sent back to the UK via china, the same way I came, it was rough! I’d like to share my story so i can get some advice on what to do next and perhaps shed some light on current visa policy.

 

here’s how it went. I arrived at around 10pm with a British passport containing no current tourist visa but a history of VOA stamps and tourist visa’s scattered around between visa’s and the like from the United States, Mexico, India, Cambodia, Japan and others, the majority however where Thai stamps. My plan was to spend 30 days or so in Thailand this year before flying to India for a few months where i would obtain a tourist visa and come back into Thailand hence I didn’t make the difficult trip to the London embassy from my rural English location to obtain a tourist visa. The previous year I was also relying on visa exemption stamps with 30 day extensions, this I now realise was an error of ignorance on my side, but in defence of myself I spend 3-4 months a year out of Asia where I am working overtime, 7 days a week, I do not, and never have engaged in any money generating activity in Thailand, I also spend extended time in other countries, meaning that my total time in Thailand last year was around 6-7 months. 

 

The first IO started to inspect my passport, he seemed to be checking this against his screen the convosation went a little like this...

 

you where last here in September? Yes.

so you stayed in Thailand 8 months last year? No, probably closer to 6

you overstayed 2 days? No

you went to India in march? Yes, for around 2 months.

 

he then took me to a senior officer, who asked me why I came here. I answered I have a Thai partner and like to spend time here with her, he said looking at my passport this isn’t good, I said I wasn’t aware I was doing anything wrong, I said I can show you money (I had a few thousand pounds in cash with me) he put his hand up, not looking at me and shook his head. He said this is illegal and told me I wouldn’t be getting entry today. 

 

The rest of the process went quite quickly, I didn’t really get a chance to argue my case and didn’t really know that it was over until i was waiting for the next plane home, which luckily was free. I had my picture taken in the office below and received a blue stamp in my passport, which apparently reads something like, lack of income, unable to support myself. This is plainly untrue as even if I did choose to spend the whole year in Thailand without doing my yearly work I would have enough funds to support myself living a comfortable lifestyle for 2-3 years. 

 

my question is what to do next? I’ve been reading the forums and it seems my best idea is to renew my passport and obtain a tourist visa and enter through a land border, I should be able to get an METV, I’m assuming this will in its own right invalidate the terms of my rejection. I am willing to look into further visas also but right now I just want to get back to my partner so we can work further details out, any advice would be great, thanks 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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were you able to get  back on the return flights  easily and in timely manner ?

 

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Apply by post for the METV.

 

Send by special delivery.

 

Takes about 4 days to come back.

 

 

 

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14 minutes ago, FritsSikkink said:

If you have money get an elite visa.

 

If you are younger than 50 yrs old... Elite Visa is clearly the way to go (if you don't mind paying for it).

 

The Elite Visa is the simplest and most straight forward way of resolving your visa issues with closest thing to a guarantee of entry you'll receive - Cost is 500,000 baht for 5 years.

 

If you are older than 50 yrs old you may be able to get a retirement visa (I'm not sure if you have to be in country to do this - someone else will know)

 

Another option: Obtain a Tourist Visa and re-enter, although that is no guarantee of admittance... and as you mentioned, entering through a land boarder... which (someone should have more information than I) seems not to be hooked up to an immigration Database (research which land borders are more favorable).

 

 

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24 minutes ago, surangw said:

were you able to get  back on the return flights  easily and in timely manner ?

 

 

Yes, the return home was as efficient as I could have expected

 

16 minutes ago, FritsSikkink said:

If you have money get an elite visa.

 

That’s a worse case scenario for me, while I could afford it, it would still be a big dent into my savings, I’m only 30 and would prefer to spend the money by investing it to further my education/career ect

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METV. From your home country. With returns back to home country.

This seems to be the most appropriate visa option C/w visa on arrival and setv.  I've never heard of problems with METV from home country.

use,  I'm a tourist to Thailand who has friends to visit and funds to support while visiting Thailand. Maybe using visa for visiting girlfriend is not an accepted reason.

 

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Thanks for all the advise so far, @BritTim I’ve already sent off for a new passport this morning, so I can’t change that now, but I’ll defo look into that Malaysian route.

 

im wondering if it is wise or not to explain my case and ask for the tag to be removed under knew circumstances eg with proof of funds either at the embassy in London or the land border or weather I should keep my mouth shut? 

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24 minutes ago, Enoon said:

 

 

Apply by post for the METV.

 

Send by special delivery.

 

Takes about 4 days to come back.

 

 

 

 

Good to know

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The IO who rejected you didn't want to see your money, because it would be more evidence that the illegality he was about to carry-out was based on a lie.  He may also dislike you having a relationship with a Thai.  You are "sticking around" - and that clique want people like us to pay them off with tribute via agents (or via the elite visa) or go away.

 

1 hour ago, Lovelypaiday said:

my question is what to do next? I’ve been reading the forums and it seems my best idea is to renew my passport and obtain a tourist visa and enter through a land border,

Exactly.   Always use a Tourist Visa, and since you visit more than a few short-trips per-year, never enter at a corrupt, law-abusing entry-point.  That includes both Bangkok airports currently - run by supervisors who don't care what the law says.  Also one bad land-border point - Poipet / Aranyaprathet. 

 

At all other land-entry points, the published laws are followed - they will not lie and stamp that you don't have money when you do absent any evidence this is true.  The most you will need to do is show your visa, plus 20K Baht worth of cash (can be other currencies) or travelers checks.  We also do not have horror-stories from Chiang Mai airport - though rejection by air is a PITA (as you know), so probably worth simply avoiding.

 

Agree with BritTim's advise on METV and coming in through Pedang Besar.  That was the entry-point I used in the past, when I was using Tourist Visas.  Whoever is paying for this longer-stay anti-foreigner operation, is only buying off some key entry points - most are still run by supervisors behaving honorably and lawfully.

 

25 minutes ago, Lovelypaiday said:

ask for the tag to be removed under knew circumstances eg with proof of funds either at the embassy in London or the land border or weather I should keep my mouth shut? 

They will not erase your history - but I do not recall any cases of this blocking entry at a good (law-abiding) entry-point.  If an IO mentions it, say it was a misunderstanding about money, and helpfully show your cash / that you are complying with the financial requirement.

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There's a relatively new thread on TV that suggests that the MFA (embassy) databases and the RTP (immigration) databases are or shortly will be cross-connected so the efficacy of passport washing may soon be a thing of the past? With the basic biometrics, I always reckoned the success of any passport change was more due to the indolence of the IO one presented your passport to. From personal experience, if you get one who likes to point-and-click, you're pretty much buggered.

 

That and your age, nationality and ethnicity.

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Firstly, I'm going to guess you're not caucasian! It shouldn't matter but can and does.

 

I have been Thailand 6 years on back to back TV. Visa runs with passport full of overstays. As long as I have funds and a reason (wife died and I'm still close with family (true)) they haven't thought twice or queried me over it.

 

If you have funds can explain how you support yourself (good money contracting), wife, if GF upgrade to fiancee still arranging with families when best timing, shouldn't be a problem.

 

It is at officers discretion regardless of funds or Visa hence I guessing not caucasian. False marriages reportedly a problem recently in media.

 

Just renew your passport. Passports are only linked in your home country not here. Renewing a passport in Thailand it's the visas that are linked not passports. New passport in home country = not linked to anything in other countries

 

Name, even full name is not a unique identifier. I know 4 of me in same company! Photo taken by them is just a bit of a backstop for them. Facial recognition? Uhmm how many people travelling daily? Globally?

 

New passport, TV in home country. On the very off chance you'll run into same IO and they remember you, different airport. Few photos of GF and msg on phone to show quickly.

 

Travelling extensively throughout Asia without a clear reason may have cause suspicions.  But if your genuine are shouldn't be a problem. I have always found IO pretty straight forward and given the numbers coming through their not sending plane full back.

 

Genuine the key word here

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