HAKAPALITA Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 Watch NORWAY FREE 1945 on You Tube.I Never trus anyone but the Old Alliance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SheungWan Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 2 hours ago, Loiner said: Consensus hasn’t changed, no matter how much you wish for it. Not that there’s time for another referendum now before we’ve exited, but Leave would win again. Says you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brewsterbudgen Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 1 hour ago, HAKAPALITA said: Democracy clearly doenst work in the UK Abbott and Costello are making you the Clowns of Europe. Whats happened to you Dunkirk Spirit. Has your Lineage been watered down to piss.? On the contrary, what we are witnessing is parliamentary democracy in action (warts and all). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HAKAPALITA Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 19 minutes ago, brewsterbudgen said: On the contrary, what we are witnessing is parliamentary democracy in action (warts and all). 100% Warts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billd766 Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 Is the article about the same Jeremy Corbyn that said this? Only last month. https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/jeremy-corbyn-brexit-second-referendum-peoples-vote-labour-theresa-may-john-mcdonnell-a8696111.html And this. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jan/15/jeremy-corbyn-offers-little-hope-for-peoples-vote-campaigners And even this? https://www.bbc.com/news/av/uk-politics-42851674/corbyn-on-brexit-we-re-not-asking-for-a-second-referendum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grouse Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 7 hours ago, HAKAPALITA said: Watch NORWAY FREE 1945 on You Tube.I Never trus anyone but the Old Alliance. I watched NORWAY FREED 1945. What point are you making? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HAKAPALITA Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 3 minutes ago, Grouse said: I watched NORWAY FREED 1945. What point are you making? The Brits dance to the German tune in the EU/Brexit debarcle.All that sacrifice for nothing.They only want the Brits so they can milk em.We wont ever join. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grouse Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 10 minutes ago, HAKAPALITA said: The Brits dance to the German tune in the EU/Brexit debarcle.All that sacrifice for nothing.They only want the Brits so they can milk em.We wont ever join. Who won't ever join? Are you Norwegian? Have you a German relative by chance? I don't understand your point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HAKAPALITA Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 1 minute ago, Grouse said: Who won't ever join? Are you Norwegian? Have you a German relative by chance? I don't understand your point? Yes 76 and remember what they did to my Family. So can old Brits.Stay independent is my belief. Radical Islamics are the next Hitlers but the Do Gooders deny as usual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grouse Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 4 hours ago, HAKAPALITA said: Yes 76 and remember what they did to my Family. So can old Brits.Stay independent is my belief. Radical Islamics are the next Hitlers but the Do Gooders deny as usual. Thanks! I understand your position The Islamic tide is indeed a menace Great that you have a sovereign fund! Keep sending the Christmas tree! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lamyai3 Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 21 hours ago, bert bloggs said: Oh come on he is stating facts Corbyn and co are loony lefties. He's unquestionably a loony lefty, but by broaching a second referendum he's helping to raise the quality of debate right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loiner Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 He's unquestionably a loony lefty, but by broaching a second referendum he's helping to raise the quality of debate right now. Subterfuge and sabotage is not debate. We had the debate before the referendum. The result was to Leave the EU. Sent from my iPhone using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lamyai3 Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 13 minutes ago, Loiner said: We had the debate before the referendum. The result was to Leave the EU. You're confusing debate with spin and misinformation. As you confidently predicted in a previous post, leave would easily win in the event of a second vote, so why are you so afraid to put your money where your mouth is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dick dasterdly Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 2 hours ago, lamyai3 said: You're confusing debate with spin and misinformation. As you confidently predicted in a previous post, leave would easily win in the event of a second vote, so why are you so afraid to put your money where your mouth is? I have no problem with another referendum, as long as the options are:- 1) Accept the eu/may deal 2) Leave immediately Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loiner Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 You're confusing debate with spin and misinformation. As you confidently predicted in a previous post, leave would easily win in the event of a second vote, so why are you so afraid to put your money where your mouth is? Leave was not confused about anything. We don’t need a second referendum, especially not to pander to the wails of a bunch of losing Remainers. The vote was to Leave the EU, for which the wheels of legislation are already in motion and everyday getting closer to respecting that result. Sent from my iPhone using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dick dasterdly Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 36 minutes ago, Loiner said: Leave was not confused about anything. We don’t need a second referendum, especially not to pander to the wails of a bunch of losing Remainers. The vote was to Leave the EU, for which the wheels of legislation are already in motion and everyday getting closer to respecting that result. Sent from my iPhone using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app I wouldn't rely on your last para., as MPs are making it very clear that they are desperately looking for a way out of a no deal brexit on the 29th March..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grouse Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 Corbyn declines to put Labour support behind Cooper's amendment to force a vote on a referendum. WHo does this old Trot represent? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grouse Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 25 minutes ago, Grouse said: Corbyn declines to put Labour support behind Cooper's amendment to force a vote on a referendum. WHo does this old Trot represent? https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/editorials/brexit-no-deal-second-referendum-final-say-jeremy-corbyn-labour-yvette-cooper-a8744401.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melvinmelvin Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 25 minutes ago, Grouse said: https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/editorials/brexit-no-deal-second-referendum-final-say-jeremy-corbyn-labour-yvette-cooper-a8744401.html you guys are really skilled in making life difficult I find this Labour debate a bit confused, not much point in discussing this without a clear view of what a referendum should ask, remain was mentioned, other questions? if people in key positions in UK cannot get their act together and do smth sensible pretty soon I think in practice you would be left with two options, dust off may-deal and accept it or remain no-deal is an option - but parliament doesn't fancy that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SheungWan Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 On 1/23/2019 at 8:56 AM, ballpoint said: The dirty old man! Son Harold was the Labour Party supporter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SheungWan Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 1 hour ago, Grouse said: Corbyn declines to put Labour support behind Cooper's amendment to force a vote on a referendum. WHo does this old Trot represent? The constituency of North Islington. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SheungWan Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 On 1/23/2019 at 6:39 PM, HAKAPALITA said: The Brits dance to the German tune in the EU/Brexit debarcle.All that sacrifice for nothing.They only want the Brits so they can milk em.We wont ever join. "Debarcle" ? De HSBC better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SheungWan Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 22 minutes ago, melvinmelvin said: you guys are really skilled in making life difficult I find this Labour debate a bit confused, not much point in discussing this without a clear view of what a referendum should ask, remain was mentioned, other questions? if people in key positions in UK cannot get their act together and do smth sensible pretty soon I think in practice you would be left with two options, dust off may-deal and accept it or remain no-deal is an option - but parliament doesn't fancy that If Parliament cannot agree on terms of withdrawal, then what remains is (the referendum choices of Hard Brexit Vs Remain) Or General Election. Those options should concentrate HB minds on possibly finessing the current deal around backstop. So, 3 pathways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melvinmelvin Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 39 minutes ago, SheungWan said: If Parliament cannot agree on terms of withdrawal, then what remains is (the referendum choices of Hard Brexit Vs Remain) Or General Election. Those options should concentrate HB minds on possibly finessing the current deal around backstop. So, 3 pathways. how soon, in what sort of timeframe can you do a referendum? GE? ditch TM or convince her to call a GE? timeframe for this ? I agree that your 3rd pathway is a possibility, theoretically, in my view this will not happen unless key figures quite simply force TM to resign with her out of the way, a menu of possible options surface Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SheungWan Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 3 minutes ago, melvinmelvin said: how soon, in what sort of timeframe can you do a referendum? GE? ditch TM or convince her to call a GE? timeframe for this ? I agree that your 3rd pathway is a possibility, theoretically, in my view this will not happen unless key figures quite simply force TM to resign with her out of the way, a menu of possible options surface Referendum requires delay. TM going nowhere right now. She is in the driving seat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welovesundaysatspace Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 5 minutes ago, SheungWan said: Referendum requires delay. TM going nowhere right now. She is in the driving seat. Im pretty sure the EU would give the UK an extension for a referendum, but not for another half year of wasting everyone’s time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melvinmelvin Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 3 minutes ago, SheungWan said: Referendum requires delay. TM going nowhere right now. She is in the driving seat. I know she is on the tiller, unfortunately, very, for UK. But there are always ways and means to force people to resign. Anyway, I would not be surprised a sec if this ends up with may-deal being picked up from the bin, then dusted off and accepted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballpoint Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 1 hour ago, SheungWan said: Son Harold was the Labour Party supporter. Harold even tried to become the Labour party candidate in his local constituency, but was rejected for being too working class because the party are "out to court the middle class vote". Some things never change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dick dasterdly Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 1 hour ago, melvinmelvin said: I know she is on the tiller, unfortunately, very, for UK. But there are always ways and means to force people to resign. Anyway, I would not be surprised a sec if this ends up with may-deal being picked up from the bin, then dusted off and accepted. "I would not be surprised a sec if this ends up with may-deal being picked up from the bin, then dusted off and accepted." I would be suprised as this would prove the govt. and MPs to be not only incompetent - but also doing everything in their power to avoid actually leaving the eu - never mind how bad the deal. Personally, I think this 'option' is already buried. But it's quite possible that a few tweaks to the deal may give MPs the opportunity they need to pretend that the 'new' deal is actually a 'good' deal..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melvinmelvin Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 14 minutes ago, dick dasterdly said: "I would not be surprised a sec if this ends up with may-deal being picked up from the bin, then dusted off and accepted." I would be suprised as this would prove the govt. and MPs to be not only incompetent - but also doing everything in their power to avoid actually leaving the eu - never mind how bad the deal. Personally, I think this 'option' is already buried. But it's quite possible that a few tweaks to the deal may give MPs the opportunity they need to pretend that the 'new' deal is actually a 'good' deal..... get TM out of the way, UK can maybe have as many tweaks as she likes there is plenty of time left to redo this deal, plenty if a serious leadership in UK could make a thought out menu of what it wants and if TM could be removed, nothing serious will happen with her at the wheel, she is spent meat - stale, no clout dirty cuffs - no integrity, a menu of options might open there is a bunch of clever eurocrats in Brussels and a bunch of clever civil servants in the UK that know this deal in and out, syllable by syllable, and they also know each other by now. 500 pages are peanuts, this is not a very complicated treaty text, and its small can easily be redone during February, easily. But the political will must be there, with TM present it isn't. EU does not move on her request, they are fed up of UK PM, clout has gone, and above all, there is no trust anymore. Multilateralism without trust is dead in the water. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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