U.S. will seek extradition of Huawei CFO from Canada

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U.S. will seek extradition of Huawei CFO from Canada

 

FILE PHOTO: Meng Wanzhou, Executive Board Director of the Chinese technology giant Huawei, attends a session of the VTB Capital Investment Forum "Russia Calling!" in Moscow, Russia October 2, 2014. REUTERS/Alexander Bibik/File Photo

 

WASHINGTON/DAVOS, Switzerland (Reuters) - The U.S. Justice Department said on Tuesday it will pursue the extradition of the chief financial officer of China's Huawei Technologies Co Ltd's [HWT.UL], arrested in Canada in December.

 

The United States has accused Huawei CFO Meng Wanzhou of misrepresenting the company's links to a firm that tried to sell equipment to Iran despite U.S. sanctions. The arrest soured relations between Canada and China, with China subsequently detaining two Canadian citizens and sentencing a third to death.

 

The U.S. statement came a day after a report that Canada's ambassador to the United States said the Canadian government was told that Washington planned to proceed.

 

"We will continue to pursue the extradition of defendant Ms. Meng Wanzhou, and will meet all deadlines set by the U.S./Canada Extradition Treaty," Justice Department spokesman Marc Raimondi said in a statement. "We greatly appreciate Canada's continuing support of our mutual efforts to enforce the rule of law."

 

Huawei Chairman Liang Hua told media at the World Economic Forum in Davos earlier on Tuesday that the company was following the issue closely and wanted a quick resolution of the case, but had no direct contact with authorities.

 

The United States must file a formal request for extradition by Jan. 30. Once a formal request is received, a Canadian court has 30 days to determine whether there is enough evidence to support extradition and the Canadian minister of justice must issue a formal order.

 

Canada has not asked the United States to abandon its bid to have Huawei executive Meng Wanzhou extradited, Canada's Foreign Minister Chrystia Freeland said in an interview with Bloomberg TV.

 

Huawei, the world's biggest producer of telecommunications equipment, faces U.S.-led allegations that its devices present a national security risk. Huawei says such concerns are unfounded.

 

In an article on Monday, a former head of the Canadian Security Intelligence Service spy agency said Canada should ban Huawei from supplying equipment to its 5G networks. China's ambassador has threatened repercussions if Ottawa blocks Huawei.

 

"We've talked about it with Germany because we have a good relationship with Germany and our European partners generally, and Germany is having some deliberations of its own too," Freeland said on Tuesday, regarding possibly restricting Huawei's access to 5G networks.

 

The German government is debating whether to follow the United States and allies like Australia in restricting Huawei from accessing its next-generation mobile networks, business daily Handelsblatt reported last week.

 

Huawei will allow foreign officials to visit its labs, Liang said on Tuesday.

 

(Reporting by Karen Freifeld, Allison Martell in Toronto, Soyoung Kim and Leika Kihara in Davos; Editing by Lisa Shumaker)

 

 

 

 -- © Copyright Reuters 2019-01-23

[Topdoc]

And the US are whiter than white?

[JAG]

14 minutes ago, Topdoc said:

And the US are whiter than white?

It is certainly open to discussion as to what extent the US animosity to Huawei is driven by the wish to force third countries follow the sanctions which they have imposed on Iran, (in itself a questionable policy!) and to what extent they wish to ensure that the next great leap in communications technology (which is going to be very lucrative) is led by the US and not China.

[pegman]

Trump has already stated she could be used as a bargaining chip. Canada should not be involved in this charade. She needs to be sent back to China. If not Trudeau will pay a very heavy price in all those west coast Chinese ridings. 

[Topdoc]

"Vancouver-based Telus, Canada’s third-largest wireless carrier, sent a lengthy memo to about 30,000 employees last week defending its decision to use Huawei equipment in Canadian networks. The memo highlighted technological successes Telus says it has achieved in its wireless network in co-operation with Huawei, and also emphasized that Telus has worked closely with the Canadian government to address security concerns and continues to do so"

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/business/article-telus-reaffirms-support-for-huawei-amid-declining-canada-china/ 

 

[grumbleweed]

So Uncle Sam makes a law banning other countries from trading with Iran and demands the extradition of those who don't comply. I suppose this is an improvement on bombing countries into oblivion to get their way.

Maybe one day they'll wake up and realize 9/11 and US foreign policy are very closely related

[high plane drifter]

It is certainly open to discussion as to what extent the US animosity to Huawei is driven by the wish to force third countries follow the sanctions which they have imposed on Iran, (in itself a questionable policy!) and to what extent they wish to ensure that the next great leap in communications technology (which is going to be very lucrative) is led by the US and not China.

   Sorry to tell you that  China is ahead with communications not U.S. I am in China right now...

[JAG]

37 minutes ago, high plane drifter said:

It is certainly open to discussion as to what extent the US animosity to Huawei is driven by the wish to force third countries follow the sanctions which they have imposed on Iran, (in itself a questionable policy!) and to what extent they wish to ensure that the next great leap in communications technology (which is going to be very lucrative) is led by the US and not China.

   Sorry to tell you that  China is ahead with communications not U.S. I am in China right now...

Don't be sorry, I am not in the slightest bit surprised. I was rather suggesting that just perhaps, actions against Huawei may be a rather clumsy attempt to reduce that lead, by 'persuading" countries not to trade with Chinese technology companies because they "trade with Iran"

[geriatrickid]

Typical arm chair "liberal" views which don't put too much emphasis on human rights or common sense, or the fact that a serious financial crime is alleged. 

 

3 hours ago, Topdoc said:

And the US are whiter than white?

Irrelevant. The law in effect governed the conduct of US activities. The allegations against Huawei relate to fraud and misrepresentation. More specifically, it is alleged that she  facilitated the circumvention of  US sanctions, imposed by the US Congress,  by representing to financial institutions  that a Huawei subsidiary was a separate company, and not subject to the sanctions.  The US financial institutions were at risk, not just because of the  sanctions, but more importantly, the funding they provided on the  assumption that it could be mitigated through risk management devices, was not managed because no one in the private sector backstops large financial transactions with Iran. In plain language, it is alleged that the  financial institutions took on a risk because it was represented as something else, because she she lied.  When John Q. Public does that, he gets  charged with fraud and can face serious sanctions including incarceration.   

 

More offensive is the fact that  Huawei was transacting with Iran, a country under Canadian sanction in part because of the brutal torture and murder of Canadians in Iran.

 

2 hours ago, pegman said:

Trump has already stated she could be used as a bargaining chip. Canada should not be involved in this charade. She needs to be sent back to China. If not Trudeau will pay a very heavy price in all those west coast Chinese ridings. 

Spoken like an uneducated sloganeering left wing leftover from the 70's steeped in racial bias.   Newsflash: Not all "Chinese" are the same. There are very distinct divisions between  the long standing Canadians of Chinese ethnicity, recent immigrants from Hong Kong, the Taiwan Chinese community and  ethnic Chinese from other countries like Vietnam. many ethnic Chinese in Canada dislike the mainland Chinese, and with good reason.  If Trudeau is punished by the "Chinese" then perhaps one should be asking these people where their loyalties lie.

There is no charade. The CFO is  accused of serious fraud and there is a legitimate extradition treaty in effect that Canada has used  many times to extradite criminals from the USA.  Congress, not Trump pushed through many of the Iran sanctions.

 

1 hour ago, Topdoc said:

"Vancouver-based Telus, Canada’s third-largest wireless carrier, sent a lengthy memo to about 30,000 employees last week defending its decision to use Huawei equipment in Canadian networks. The memo highlighted technological successes Telus says it has achieved in its wireless network in co-operation with Huawei, and also emphasized that Telus has worked closely with the Canadian government to address security concerns and continues to do so"

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/business/article-telus-reaffirms-support-for-huawei-amid-declining-canada-china/ 

Pile of self serving crap. Telus picked Huawei because it was cheap. The fact is that the Chinese government has been caught repeatedly hacking Canadian government websites. There are ongoing industrial spy operations and industrial sabotage in Canada.  For example;  https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-among-china-hacking-victims-1.4954608

Only a naive fool would claim otherwise. Allowing Huawei more access is shortsighted and dangerous. I remind you that the Chinese control and operate several data/web centers in North America, yet block North American companies from access in China. Telus and Bell made poor decisions and they will pay the price.

 

1 hour ago, grumbleweed said:

So Uncle Sam makes a law banning other countries from trading with Iran and demands the extradition of those who don't comply. I suppose this is an improvement on bombing countries into oblivion to get their way.Maybe one day they'll wake up and realize 9/11 and US foreign policy are very closely related

Are you aware that the UN and Canada have similar sanctions in place? I draw your attention to the  area to which the equipment related;

 

Ongoing restrictions on dealings with Iran under the Iran UN Regulations include prohibitions on the export to Iran of:

-items, materials, equipment, goods and technology related to uranium enrichment, reprocessing or heavy water-related activities, or to the development of nuclear weapon delivery systems (products listed in the International Atomic Energy Agency's Information.  

- items, material, equipment, goods and technology related to goods listed in the Missile Technology Control Regime (2015/254);

 

- a prohibition on the provision to any person in Iran of technical assistance, financial or related services related to the supply, sale, transfer, manufacture or use of the products subject to the export prohibitions;

- a prohibition on making available to any person in Iran any property, financial assistance or investment, related to the supply, sale, transfer, manufacture or use of the products subject to the export prohibitions;

- a prohibition on making property or financial services available to Iran for the purpose of investing in specified nuclear-related activities in Canada;

- a prohibition on providing any technology to Iran in respect of any activity related to ballistic missiles capable of delivering nuclear weapons;

- a prohibition on the acquisition and import from Iran of arms and related material;

- prohibition of the the export, sale, supply or shipment of any goods listed in Schedule 2 of the Iran SEMA Regulations, to Iran, to any person in Iran, or to a person for the purpose of a business carried on in or operated from Iran; and

-transferring, providing or disclosing to Iran or any person in Iran any technical data related to the goods listed in Schedule 2.

 

Iran savagely murdered two Canadians and has ignored/rebuffed every effort by Canada to seek justice for the  victims. And yet here we have people saying it's ok for a Chinese company to bust the Canadian sanctions and to  break US law.  And voice their support for the  iranian torture and murder of Canadians. Wonderful. Just wonderful.

 

[farcanell]

I wonder how many American and Canadian citizens it will cost to buy her freedom for “doing a Donald”

 

oh... urban dictionary speak.... “doing a Donald” is willfully lying to achieve an advantage.... look it up. ????

[Johnnyngai]

China will sacrifice her like sacrificing a million soldiers in the 1952 Korean war.    

One of Chairman Mao's son died in the war.  

[sammieuk1]

They could drop an apple on her head to test the gravity of the situation???? 

[ExpatOilWorker]

3 hours ago, Topdoc said:

"Vancouver-based Telus, Canada’s third-largest wireless carrier, sent a lengthy memo to about 30,000 employees last week defending its decision to use Huawei equipment in Canadian networks. The memo highlighted technological successes Telus says it has achieved in its wireless network in co-operation with Huawei, and also emphasized that Telus has worked closely with the Canadian government to address security concerns and continues to do so"

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/business/article-telus-reaffirms-support-for-huawei-amid-declining-canada-china/ 

 

I hope they have done their homework or they could get burned very bad:

 

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2018-10-04/the-big-hack-how-china-used-a-tiny-chip-to-infiltrate-america-s-top-companies

[Roadman]

4 hours ago, geriatrickid said:

Typical arm chair "liberal" views which don't put too much emphasis on human rights or common sense, or the fact that a serious financial crime is alleged. 

 

Irrelevant. The law in effect governed the conduct of US activities. The allegations against Huawei relate to fraud and misrepresentation. More specifically, it is alleged that she  facilitated the circumvention of  US sanctions, imposed by the US Congress,  by representing to financial institutions  that a Huawei subsidiary was a separate company, and not subject to the sanctions.  The US financial institutions were at risk, not just because of the  sanctions, but more importantly, the funding they provided on the  assumption that it could be mitigated through risk management devices, was not managed because no one in the private sector backstops large financial transactions with Iran. In plain language, it is alleged that the  financial institutions took on a risk because it was represented as something else, because she she lied.  When John Q. Public does that, he gets  charged with fraud and can face serious sanctions including incarceration.   

 

More offensive is the fact that  Huawei was transacting with Iran, a country under Canadian sanction in part because of the brutal torture and murder of Canadians in Iran.

 

Spoken like an uneducated sloganeering left wing leftover from the 70's steeped in racial bias.   Newsflash: Not all "Chinese" are the same. There are very distinct divisions between  the long standing Canadians of Chinese ethnicity, recent immigrants from Hong Kong, the Taiwan Chinese community and  ethnic Chinese from other countries like Vietnam. many ethnic Chinese in Canada dislike the mainland Chinese, and with good reason.  If Trudeau is punished by the "Chinese" then perhaps one should be asking these people where their loyalties lie.

There is no charade. The CFO is  accused of serious fraud and there is a legitimate extradition treaty in effect that Canada has used  many times to extradite criminals from the USA.  Congress, not Trump pushed through many of the Iran sanctions.

 

Pile of self serving crap. Telus picked Huawei because it was cheap. The fact is that the Chinese government has been caught repeatedly hacking Canadian government websites. There are ongoing industrial spy operations and industrial sabotage in Canada.  For example;  https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-among-china-hacking-victims-1.4954608

Only a naive fool would claim otherwise. Allowing Huawei more access is shortsighted and dangerous. I remind you that the Chinese control and operate several data/web centers in North America, yet block North American companies from access in China. Telus and Bell made poor decisions and they will pay the price.

 

Are you aware that the UN and Canada have similar sanctions in place? I draw your attention to the  area to which the equipment related;

 

Ongoing restrictions on dealings with Iran under the Iran UN Regulations include prohibitions on the export to Iran of:

-items, materials, equipment, goods and technology related to uranium enrichment, reprocessing or heavy water-related activities, or to the development of nuclear weapon delivery systems (products listed in the International Atomic Energy Agency's Information.  

- items, material, equipment, goods and technology related to goods listed in the Missile Technology Control Regime (2015/254);

 

- a prohibition on the provision to any person in Iran of technical assistance, financial or related services related to the supply, sale, transfer, manufacture or use of the products subject to the export prohibitions;

- a prohibition on making available to any person in Iran any property, financial assistance or investment, related to the supply, sale, transfer, manufacture or use of the products subject to the export prohibitions;

- a prohibition on making property or financial services available to Iran for the purpose of investing in specified nuclear-related activities in Canada;

- a prohibition on providing any technology to Iran in respect of any activity related to ballistic missiles capable of delivering nuclear weapons;

- a prohibition on the acquisition and import from Iran of arms and related material;

- prohibition of the the export, sale, supply or shipment of any goods listed in Schedule 2 of the Iran SEMA Regulations, to Iran, to any person in Iran, or to a person for the purpose of a business carried on in or operated from Iran; and

-transferring, providing or disclosing to Iran or any person in Iran any technical data related to the goods listed in Schedule 2.

 

Iran savagely murdered two Canadians and has ignored/rebuffed every effort by Canada to seek justice for the  victims. And yet here we have people saying it's ok for a Chinese company to bust the Canadian sanctions and to  break US law.  And voice their support for the  iranian torture and murder of Canadians. Wonderful. Just wonderful.

 

What a load of bull crap GK. The US is in violation of sanctions against Iran under UN Security Council resolution 2231. The US is playing a lone hand which was orchestrated by Trump with his direction on the 8th of May 2018 to withdraw from the JCPOA. 

Acepted that Canada may be p!ssed regards the alleged murder of Canadian citizens by Iran but the rest of your spiel does not justify that the US whether without or with Canadian support has the rest of the world support whether via the UN or not. They don’t. Companies like Telus and Bell live and die by the business choices they make. Countries like Canada start looking like idiots when their leaders are having to ring around the western world to drum up their support for their idiotic buddies like Trump. The Canadian PM is looking as clueless as Blair ass licking Bush that WMD existed in Iraq. 

[connda]

This will be as fun as watching A Game of Thrones.    A nuclear Winter is Coming!

[Redline]

3 hours ago, Roadman said:

What a load of bull crap GK. The US is in violation of sanctions against Iran under UN Security Council resolution 2231. The US is playing a lone hand which was orchestrated by Trump with his direction on the 8th of May 2018 to withdraw from the JCPOA. 

Acepted that Canada may be p!ssed regards the alleged murder of Canadian citizens by Iran but the rest of your spiel does not justify that the US whether without or with Canadian support has the rest of the world support whether via the UN or not. They don’t. Companies like Telus and Bell live and die by the business choices they make. Countries like Canada start looking like idiots when their leaders are having to ring around the western world to drum up their support for their idiotic buddies like Trump. The Canadian PM is looking as clueless as Blair ass licking Bush that WMD existed in Iraq. 

This is not about Trump, the next President will be just as hard on China.  China does what it wants, and the USA will as well.

[brucec64]

What a load of bull crap GK. The US is in violation of sanctions against Iran under UN Security Council resolution 2231. The US is playing a lone hand which was orchestrated by Trump with his direction on the 8th of May 2018 to withdraw from the JCPOA. 
Acepted that Canada may be p!ssed regards the alleged murder of Canadian citizens by Iran but the rest of your spiel does not justify that the US whether without or with Canadian support has the rest of the world support whether via the UN or not. They don’t. Companies like Telus and Bell live and die by the business choices they make. Countries like Canada start looking like idiots when their leaders are having to ring around the western world to drum up their support for their idiotic buddies like Trump. The Canadian PM is looking as clueless as Blair ass licking Bush that WMD existed in Iraq. 

Actually, you are the one full of crap.

The violations occurred back in 2012 while there were UN sanctions. Before Trump.

...better to not say anything than remove all doubt.


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[exparte]

Huawei has been stealing the Intellectual property rights of US and European tech companies since its incorporation; and every country that uses their infrastructure equipment is putting its National Security and communications infrastructure at risk in the vent of hostilities between East and West. 

[pegman]

16 hours ago, geriatrickid said:

Typical arm chair "liberal" views which don't put too much emphasis on human rights or common sense, or the fact that a serious financial crime is alleged. 

 

Irrelevant. The law in effect governed the conduct of US activities. The allegations against Huawei relate to fraud and misrepresentation. More specifically, it is alleged that she  facilitated the circumvention of  US sanctions, imposed by the US Congress,  by representing to financial institutions  that a Huawei subsidiary was a separate company, and not subject to the sanctions.  The US financial institutions were at risk, not just because of the  sanctions, but more importantly, the funding they provided on the  assumption that it could be mitigated through risk management devices, was not managed because no one in the private sector backstops large financial transactions with Iran. In plain language, it is alleged that the  financial institutions took on a risk because it was represented as something else, because she she lied.  When John Q. Public does that, he gets  charged with fraud and can face serious sanctions including incarceration.   

 

More offensive is the fact that  Huawei was transacting with Iran, a country under Canadian sanction in part because of the brutal torture and murder of Canadians in Iran.

 

Spoken like an uneducated sloganeering left wing leftover from the 70's steeped in racial bias.   Newsflash: Not all "Chinese" are the same. There are very distinct divisions between  the long standing Canadians of Chinese ethnicity, recent immigrants from Hong Kong, the Taiwan Chinese community and  ethnic Chinese from other countries like Vietnam. many ethnic Chinese in Canada dislike the mainland Chinese, and with good reason.  If Trudeau is punished by the "Chinese" then perhaps one should be asking these people where their loyalties lie.

There is no charade. The CFO is  accused of serious fraud and there is a legitimate extradition treaty in effect that Canada has used  many times to extradite criminals from the USA.  Congress, not Trump pushed through many of the Iran sanctions.

 

Pile of self serving crap. Telus picked Huawei because it was cheap. The fact is that the Chinese government has been caught repeatedly hacking Canadian government websites. There are ongoing industrial spy operations and industrial sabotage in Canada.  For example;  https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-among-china-hacking-victims-1.4954608

Only a naive fool would claim otherwise. Allowing Huawei more access is shortsighted and dangerous. I remind you that the Chinese control and operate several data/web centers in North America, yet block North American companies from access in China. Telus and Bell made poor decisions and they will pay the price.

 

Are you aware that the UN and Canada have similar sanctions in place? I draw your attention to the  area to which the equipment related;

 

Ongoing restrictions on dealings with Iran under the Iran UN Regulations include prohibitions on the export to Iran of:

-items, materials, equipment, goods and technology related to uranium enrichment, reprocessing or heavy water-related activities, or to the development of nuclear weapon delivery systems (products listed in the International Atomic Energy Agency's Information.  

- items, material, equipment, goods and technology related to goods listed in the Missile Technology Control Regime (2015/254);

 

- a prohibition on the provision to any person in Iran of technical assistance, financial or related services related to the supply, sale, transfer, manufacture or use of the products subject to the export prohibitions;

- a prohibition on making available to any person in Iran any property, financial assistance or investment, related to the supply, sale, transfer, manufacture or use of the products subject to the export prohibitions;

- a prohibition on making property or financial services available to Iran for the purpose of investing in specified nuclear-related activities in Canada;

- a prohibition on providing any technology to Iran in respect of any activity related to ballistic missiles capable of delivering nuclear weapons;

- a prohibition on the acquisition and import from Iran of arms and related material;

- prohibition of the the export, sale, supply or shipment of any goods listed in Schedule 2 of the Iran SEMA Regulations, to Iran, to any person in Iran, or to a person for the purpose of a business carried on in or operated from Iran; and

-transferring, providing or disclosing to Iran or any person in Iran any technical data related to the goods listed in Schedule 2.

 

Iran savagely murdered two Canadians and has ignored/rebuffed every effort by Canada to seek justice for the  victims. And yet here we have people saying it's ok for a Chinese company to bust the Canadian sanctions and to  break US law.  And voice their support for the  iranian torture and murder of Canadians. Wonderful. Just wonderful.

 

That's just more of your usual nonsense Spicoli. The UN and American sanctions  are apples and oranges. So says the Canadian Ambassador to China.

 https://ottawacitizen.com/news/huawei-executive-has-strong-arguments-to-avoid-extradition-to-u-s-mccallum/wcm/14e2b967-f2dc-4b61-9973-3c5486fd10ca

[zydeco]

Meng the Merciless

[connda]

16 hours ago, exparte said:

Huawei has been stealing the Intellectual property rights of US and European tech companies since its incorporation; and every country that uses their infrastructure equipment is putting its National Security and communications infrastructure at risk in the vent of hostilities between East and West. 

Like Huawei and the Chinese are the only participants in corporate and intellectual espionage? <laughs>  It's only a problem when said espionage doesn't further your own country's self-interests. The rest is simply finger-pointing and self-righteous aggrandizement.  Every country with the ability to do it does it, some better than others.

[geriatrickid]

18 hours ago, pegman said:

You cite the Tory rag G&M as if that were meaningful. I would think a former American Ambassador to China backing Ambassador McCallum holds more weight.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/01/24/huawei-cfo-extradition-could-be-complicated-ex-us-ambassador-to-china.html

Wrong again. McCallum has now retracted his statement and said he made a mistake. 

 

Canada’s ambassador to China sought to retract comments suggesting politics would play a role in the potential extradition to the U.S. of a Huawei Technologies Co. executive, adding another setback to weeks of tension between the two countries.

John McCallum said in a statement Thursday that he “misspoke” earlier this week when he discussed the case of Huawei’s Chief Financial Officer Meng Wanzhou. 

 

 

 

 

[pegman]

3 hours ago, geriatrickid said:

Wrong again. McCallum has now retracted his statement and said he made a mistake. 

 

Canada’s ambassador to China sought to retract comments suggesting politics would play a role in the potential extradition to the U.S. of a Huawei Technologies Co. executive, adding another setback to weeks of tension between the two countries.

John McCallum said in a statement Thursday that he “misspoke” earlier this week when he discussed the case of Huawei’s Chief Financial Officer Meng Wanzhou. 

 

 

 

 

He was obviously gotten to. Don't for a second think he didn't mean every word of it. 

[metisdead]

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[Canuckabroad]

On 1/22/2019 at 6:57 PM, pegman said:

Trump has already stated she could be used as a bargaining chip. Canada should not be involved in this charade. She needs to be sent back to China. If not Trudeau will pay a very heavy price in all those west coast Chinese ridings. 

 

I will be very pissed if Canada has to send her back to China because Trump made this political.  China has tried to bully its way through this, and there’s nothing I want more than to give them and Chairman Winnie the Pooh the middle finger

 

[Chomper Higgot]

On 1/23/2019 at 5:58 PM, Redline said:

This is not about Trump, the next President will be just as hard on China.  China does what it wants, and the USA will as well.

We appart that is from the fact China is handing Trump’s daughter brand registrations like candy.

 

 Gina has a long established policy of handing business sweeteners to foreign politicians and their families as a means to gain leverage.

 

That makes anything US /China related very much about Trump (at least for the time being).

[geriatrickid]

On 1/24/2019 at 11:32 PM, pegman said:

He was obviously gotten to. Don't for a second think he didn't mean every word of it. 

LOL Wrong again. The ambassador has now been terminated for breach of duty.  D-oh.  Why not just  admit that you are wrong.

[stevenl]

19 minutes ago, geriatrickid said:

LOL Wrong again. The ambassador has now been terminated for breach of duty.  D-oh.  Why not just  admit that you are wrong.

Wrong.

He clearly meant what he said and was fired for it.