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Democrats push technology as alternative to Trump wall in shutdown impasse

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Democrats push technology as alternative to Trump wall in shutdown impasse

By Richard Cowan and John Whitesides

 

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U.S. President Donald Trump participates in a discussion on immigration proposals with conservative leaders and Secretary of Homeland Security Kirstjen Nielsen in the Cabinet Room of the White House in Washington, U.S., January 23, 2019. REUTERS/Kevin Lamarque

 

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Democratic leaders in the House of Representatives floated the idea on Wednesday of ending a partial U.S. government shutdown by giving President Donald Trump most or all of the money he seeks for security along the Mexican border but for items other than the wall he wants.

 

As a shutdown that has left 800,000 federal workers without pay hit its 33rd day, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi essentially disinvited Trump from delivering the annual State of the Union address in the House chamber until the government is fully opened.

 

Other leaders in the Democratic-controlled House said they were drafting a funding offer that they will likely make to Trump in a letter. Representative James Clyburn, the No. 3 House Democrat, said Democrats could fulfil Trump's request for $5.7 billion for border security with technological tools such as drones, X-rays and sensors, as well as more border patrol agents.

 

Representative Steny Hoyer, the No. 2 House Democrat, said Democrats also would discuss "substantial sums of additional money" for border security as part of a possible deal. He did not say if it would amount to the $5.7 billion sought by Trump.

 

The Republican president triggered the shutdown last month by demanding money for the wall, opposed by Democrats, as part of any legislation to fund about a quarter of the government. Clyburn's offer would be a significant monetary increase over bills previously passed by Democrats, which included only about $1.3 billion for this year in additional border security, with none for a wall.

 

"Using the figure the president put on the table, if his $5.7 billion is about border security then we see ourselves fulfilling that request, only doing it with what I like to call using a smart wall," Clyburn told reporters.

 

Republican Representative Tom Cole, a member of the House Appropriations Committee, told reporters the Democratic proposal could help.

 

"Any movement, any discussion is helpful," Cole said. "We've got to get past this wall-or-no-wall debate."

 

The battle over border security and government funding spilled over into a parallel controversy over Trump's upcoming State of the Union address. Trump sent a letter to Pelosi on Wednesday saying he looked forward to delivering it as scheduled next Tuesday in the House chamber. Pelosi previously had asked Trump to consider postponing because security could not be guaranteed during the shutdown.

 

But Pelosi on Wednesday told Trump the House would not consider a measure authorizing his address until the shutdown ends. "Again, I look forward to welcoming you to the House on a mutually agreeable date for this address when government has been opened," Pelosi said to Trump in a letter.

 

SENATE PLANS VOTES

The U.S. Senate, controlled by Trump's fellow Republicans, planned votes for Thursday on competing proposals that face steep odds to end the shutdown.

 

Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell plans a vote on a Democratic proposal that would fund the government for three weeks but does not include the $5.7 billion in partial funding for a wall on the U.S.-Mexico border.

 

Its prospects appeared grim. The House has passed several similar bills but Trump has rejected legislation that does not include the wall funding. McConnell previously said he would not consider a bill that Trump did not support.

 

McConnell also planned to hold a vote on legislation that would include wall funding and a temporary extension of protections for "Dreamers," people brought illegally to the United States as children, an offer Trump made on Saturday. Trump's 2017 plan to rescind protections against deportation for hundreds of thousands of "Dreamers" has been blocked by the courts.

 

Democrats have dismissed the offer, saying they would not negotiate on border security before reopening the government, and that they would not trade a temporary extension of the immigrants' protections in return for a permanent border wall they have called ineffective, costly and immoral.

 

White House spokeswoman Sarah Sanders told reporters on Wednesday Trump has made calls to Democrats.

 

Barclays economists said on Wednesday they reduced their outlook on U.S. economic growth in the first quarter to an annualised rate of 2.5 percent from an earlier projection of 3.0 percent as a result of the shutdown.

 

Furloughed federal workers are struggling to make ends meet during the longest government shutdown in U.S. history. Many have turned to unemployment assistance, food banks and other support, or have sought new jobs.

 

A Reuters/Ipsos poll last week found more than half of Americans blame Trump for the shutdown even as he has sought to shift blame to Democrats after saying last month he would be "proud" to close the government for border security.

 

(Additional reporting by Yasmeen Abutaleb, Roberta Rampton, Eric Beech, Susan Heavey and Doina Chiacu; Writing by John Whitesides; Editing by Will Dunham and Bill Trott)

 

 

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1 hour ago, webfact said:

Barclays economists said on Wednesday they reduced their outlook on U.S. economic growth in the first quarter to an annualised rate of 2.5 percent from an earlier projection of 3.0 percent as a result of the shutdown.

So the cost of this shutdown has far exceeded the funding Trump requested. "Nanchuck" will continue to cut their noses off to despite their own faces just to deny Trump one of his main campaign promises, and a large part why he was ****Comments about people's votes have been removed to remove the off topic pedantic discussion****

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Off topic posts and replies about the Electoral College/popular vote have been removed.

 

Members like to be pedantic and focus on a snippet of a member's post to continue in an off topic manner.  The post containing that pedantic snippet has been edited so that the pedantic semantic posters will not continue the discussion in an off topic manner about the Electoral College/popular vote.

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3 hours ago, dcutman said:

So the cost of this shutdown has far exceeded the funding Trump requested. "Nanchuck" will continue to cut their noses off to despite their own faces just to deny Trump one of his main campaign promises, and a large part why he was ****Comments about people's votes have been removed to remove the off topic pedantic discussion****

Or... trump will continue to damage the US economy and waste money, in his attempt to subvert the checks and balances installed in the constitution, by the founding fathers, and further ammendmentd

 

the money lost, now and going forward, is the cost of protecting the institution that is the bipartisan government of the United States.

 

and.... denying trump the ability to fulfill a campaign promise is a dubious argument.... he promised a wall that Mexico would pay for.... ergo, with Mexico not paying, the campaign promise has failed already. In view of this, he needs to readdress financing the wall. This needs bipartisan agreement... this needs negotiation... this is missing, in lieu of holding the nation hostage by trumps shutdown.

 

easy solution... open the government, and negotiate on the sticking point, which is the border security spending budget..... negotiate vs blackmail.

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