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My trip to Jomtien Immigration

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13 minutes ago, Lovethailandelite said:

The major cost factor and increasing year on year is the FX rates for those not working here. Yes, I agree that the cost of living in Thailand has not risen greatly in itself but things are getting more and more expensive.
If the next 5 year FX forecasts come anywhere near forecast, it is looking likely to not be that far out with the issues these country's have coming, with the US dollar forcast at 28, the AUS Dollar at 19 and sterling around 34, Visas I would suggest, would be the least of peoples problems. 
 

Quite true- I have read similar forecasts on exchange rates that match what you have stated.  If these exchange rate predictions hold up- that is an automatic raise in the cost of living for expats dependent upon their foreign currency to live . Then add even a modest normal cost of living increase with rising prices and those living on the margin will not be able to survive and those considering Thailand as a retirement home for the future will not come.

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12 minutes ago, Thaidream said:

Quite true- I have read similar forecasts on exchange rates that match what you have stated.  If these exchange rate predictions hold up- that is an automatic raise in the cost of living for expats dependent upon their foreign currency to live . Then add even a modest normal cost of living increase with rising prices and those living on the margin will not be able to survive and those considering Thailand as a retirement home for the future will not come.

UK expats alone with no Thai derived income have had to endure a plus 20% increase in there cost of living in the last 2 years. I am not complaining. It is what it is and nothing any of us can do about it unless your some kind of stock market or currency trading Guru and can edge yourself on it. The very best UK state pension on it's own is now around 27,000 per month. That in itself falls way short of any immigration long term stay requirement.

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3 hours ago, Tanoshi said:

The BE didn't 'verify' them, they can't, so who verified them?

It's semantics around the word "verify". They verified your income by perusing official documents that clearly showed your annual income. What they didn't do is verify the documents. I personally don't believe that TI required then to do anything other than that.

 

I don't think that this system was open to abuse, a lot easier to pay an agent 15k baht than try to forge official documents. I've never heard of one Brit who has tried to do this.

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5 hours ago, JackThompson said:

Those symptoms are more "cover" than "cause."  It's all about the money.

 

Often, they use the "blame your fellow farangs" angle - repeated here by their apologists (Stockholm Syndrome, paid, or who knows).  It is usually a variation on: "We tightened-up the requirements to stop-fraud."
... for which the real-world translation is: "Generate more payoff agent-applications, which are completely fraudulent."
 

It's not unique to immigration - can be any "foreigner" related activity.  The same angle is used at many amphoes, to block marriage applications, as I found out first hand a couple years ago.  Use an agent and, suddenly, your relationship is genuine, after all. 

and there you have it.  All the economic activity, growth and supposed efficiency in the World does not help a country develop into a true powerhouse of progress, while corruption is an accepted way of life. Singapore shows what can be done in Asia,  the corruption here shows why it isn't happening in Thailand. 

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10 hours ago, jacko45k said:

Yes they can, but if you wish to get an extension based on income, can you take the chance of a few transfers not showing up as International?

I just did a SWIFT transfer of money from my Australian bank. As the exchange rate was nearly the same as K-Bank's TT rate, I decided to send THB instead of AUD. It shows up on my K-Bank statement as "Domestic Money Transfer".

 

I'd say, because I sent THB it went to K-Bank via a corresponding bank in Thailand, therefore showing up as a domestic transfer.

 

However, if Jomtien Immigration refuses to accept monthly bank deposits as proof of income, then this is all just a waste of time. 

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6 hours ago, Puchaiyank said:

Can you explain what is indecent about living in Thailand?  Scratching my head here.

There's a certain stigma about retiring in Thailand that you're never going to shake. 

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7 minutes ago, tropo said:

However, if Jomtien Immigration refuses to accept monthly bank deposits as proof of income, then this is all just a waste of time. 

I expect if they are clearly labelled as from overseas. and there are 12 of them, over 65,000 baht, that they will. If they appear as domestic, we have no idea if they will wish to review other paperwork that is presented to prove the money did actually come from overseas.

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5 hours ago, Lovethailandelite said:

The major cost factor and increasing year on year is the FX rates for those not working here. Yes, I agree that the cost of living in Thailand has not risen greatly in itself but things are getting more and more expensive.
 

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The cost of living in Thailand is rising plenty. Inflation has been, approximately, on average, 2.5% per year. In real terms that means that 800k back in 2006 when I arrived would have the equivalent of 1.06 million baht today. Irrespective of exchange rates, that's a 32.5% increase in the cost of living. Assuming one spends 800k per year, you'd need 1.06 million baht in today's money to live just as well.

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7 hours ago, Thaidream said:

Quite true- I have read similar forecasts on exchange rates that match what you have stated.  If these exchange rate predictions hold up- that is an automatic raise in the cost of living for expats dependent upon their foreign currency to live . Then add even a modest normal cost of living increase with rising prices and those living on the margin will not be able to survive and those considering Thailand as a retirement home for the future will not come.

I suppose the question is - compared to what?  If I compare to my passport-country, overhead costs would still be a fraction of there - for a remotely similar quality of life - at 20 Baht / dollar.  

 

But I do feel for those on a fixed-amount who became accustomed to living at one level, and now may have to adjust to a more frugal lifestyle, now - due to forces completely outside of their control.

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On ‎1‎/‎25‎/‎2019 at 8:35 AM, Spidey said:

It's highly likely that TI have assumed that people requiring an extension via the income method have had the sense to obtain their embassy letters in advance of them being ceased, thus giving everyone the option of using an embassy letter for proof of income up to late June.

 

Therefore TI won't see the urgency of rolling out the new procedure (65k baht going into a Thai bank account every month from a foreign source), as everyone should still be using embassy letters.

 

It begs the question, why didn't the OP obtain his embassy letter in advance of the cut off date?

My extension not due until Nov. I was just trying to get the facts from the horses mouth instead I got it from the bulls arse

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On ‎1‎/‎25‎/‎2019 at 8:43 AM, Puchaiyank said:

The 800k baht has been a requirement for retirement visas for years...the embassy income letters have been exposed as a farce...put the money in a Thai bank and move on...or just move.

Read article 2.22 before you put finger to keyboard

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On ‎1‎/‎25‎/‎2019 at 11:37 AM, divali said:

Man man man… Nobody seems to give the correct answer here! Everybody seems to forget one thing: If you want to use the combined method, you still will need from the embassy an affidavit confirming the part that you use as income part. If your embassy does not provide that anymore, of course you cannot use that method anymore, so for retirement extension you will need 800000THB in the bank or proof that you bring 65000THB every month in a Thai bankaccount, as stated in the new regulations! However, I read nowhere what if you have a part of the 800000THB deposited in the bank and bring a part every month in a Thai bankaccount to match requirements which also would make sens to me... For the embassies that still provide the affidavit, nothing has changed!

And for the Embassies that don't hand out affidavits anymore still nothing has changed Article 2.22 Item 1-5 of Police order 327/2557

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And for the Embassies that don't hand out affidavits anymore still nothing has changed Article 2.22 Item 1-5 of Police order 327/2557
Incorrect. Big change for people without embassy letters for both full income and combo methods.

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47 minutes ago, a977 said:

My extension not due until Nov. I was just trying to get the facts from the horses mouth instead I got it from the bulls arse

I suggest that you put 65k baht (or part thereof) in a Thai bank account and ensure that it's shown as "international transfer". Do this every month and I'm sure that you won't have a problem come November.

 

It's still January and most people are still using embassy letters, the new regs haven't been rolled out to all the IO's yet. I expect that Jontien IO will be fully up to speed with the new regs by May/June and will be better able to answer your questions then.

 

Don't blame me that you didn't make it clear, in your OP, that your extension isn't due for another 11 months.

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