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BANGKOK 22 July 2019 19:16
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My trip to Jomtien Immigration

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Man man man… Nobody seems to give the correct answer here! Everybody seems to forget one thing: If you want to use the combined method, you still will need from the embassy an affidavit confirming the part that you use as income part. If your embassy does not provide that anymore, of course you cannot use that method anymore, so for retirement extension you will need 800000THB in the bank or proof that you bring 65000THB every month in a Thai bankaccount, as stated in the new regulations! However, I read nowhere what if you have a part of the 800000THB deposited in the bank and bring a part every month in a Thai bankaccount to match requirements which also would make sens to me... For the embassies that still provide the affidavit, nothing has changed!

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2 minutes ago, KhunBENQ said:

65k per month is the income of top government officials, 3 star generals etc.

It depends what country.

I am Belgian with a monthly net pension of 2300 Euro ( +/- 82000 ThB ).

My pension amount is not in the low level, but definitively not in the highest level.

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1 minute ago, luckyluke said:

It depends what country.

I am Belgian with a monthly net pension of 2300 Euro ( +/- 82000 ThB ).

My pension amount is not in the low level, but definitively not in the highest level.

Oops!

Of course I refer to THAI government officials.

Just to give a scale to the requirement on foreigners.

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3 hours ago, jesimps said:

In my opinion it's the embassies' fault, viewing your docs or swearing an affidavit is a verification. All the embassies had to do was issue a letter saying that they'd verified your income as per the docs, or verification provided. I'm sure half the embassies still issuing letters don't do a verification at source,

The Australian and US Embassies did nothing more than 'certify' your signature on the 'Affidavit' or 'Stat Dec'.

They took no responsibility that your statement of income was correct.

 

The BE on the other hand could 'certify' that from documents and form presented as proof of income to the best of their knowledge and capability the letter and stated income was correct.

To 'verify' the income, as per Immigrations choice of word, would mean not accepting the original documents presented as being genuine, but in checking with the various organisation who issued the letters, that the letter and it's contents were actually genuine.

(The documents have been 'verified' as being genuine and original).

Data protection laws prevent this without your written permission.

 

What is interesting to note is that the new order for acceptance of letters of income, use the word 'certified', not 'verified'.

The other Embassies continue to state, we 'certify that Mr xxxxx' and appear acceptable to Immigration.

For all we know, after the big 3 pulled out, perhaps Immigration got the message and realised 'verification' was perhaps impossible and the wrong choice of word and changed the requirement to 'certify'.

 

 

'Certify' and 'verify' are two completely separate legal terms and have different implications under EU and UK law.

The BE withdrew the income letters, because to continue to issue them under the false and misleading assumption the information supplied had been 'verified' could have led to legal implications, if not legal action.

The US and Australia would have had to revert to the methods used by the BE and other Embassies, had Immigration at the time requested 'certification' as opposed to their then chosen word of 'verification'.

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4 minutes ago, luckyluke said:

I am Belgian with a monthly net pension of 2300 Euro ( +/- 82000 ThB ).

The average pension in Germany (state pension for non government employees/workers) is in the 1200 Euro region. Far from the required 65k Baht.

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27 minutes ago, possum1931 said:
40 minutes ago, alex8912 said:

So how much should someone retired have in the bank according to you? 

So many emergent things  could arise after 60 and even more after 70. How much do you think people need? 

800k is a bargain and I think it will go higher soon IMHO. 

More nonsense, everybodys situation is different, some people can live easily on 30.000 Bt per month, others need 120.000 to fund their barstool and bargirls existance.

Why nonsense? The question - as I read it - is not about the monthly budget, but about "money in the bank". 800k may be the answer if you need it for Extension, but in all cases I think everyone should have 500k minimum immediately available for any "emergency".

 

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It depends what country.
I am Belgian with a monthly net pension of 2300 Euro ( +/- 82000 ThB ).
My pension amount is not in the low level, but definitively not in the highest level.
While most Belgians have to do with a lot less pension. Consider yourself lucky Luke.
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4 hours ago, jesimps said:

In my opinion it's the embassies' fault, viewing your docs or swearing an affidavit is a verification. All the embassies had to do was issue a letter saying that they'd verified your income as per the docs, or verification provided. I'm sure half the embassies still issuing letters don't do a verification at source, the famous four gave in too easily.

The old chestnut about people being able to forge docs is valid, but anything can be forged, passports, bank statements, bank letters etc. You have to draw the line somewhere or you go on ad infinitum. Official stamped and signed docs from a persons home country should be considered valid. So should sworn declarations.

Embassies are in Thailand for govt to govt political issues.  Citizen services is provide only as a courtesy as manpower allows.  They do not have the manpower or the where with all to accurately verify anyone's income.  If they issue an "validated"  income statement that is later proven to be a false declaration on the part of the retiree, their veracity in future political discussion would be suspect.

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43 minutes ago, possum1931 said:

More nonsense, everybodys situation is different, some people can live easily on 30.000 Bt per month, others need 120.000 to fund their barstool and bargirls existance.

It’s not nonsense many here have poor or no health insurance and require expensive care that baht in the bank could pay for. If all you have is a measly pension after 30 or 40 years of work it means you were completely unprepared for your end of life. You can nonsense all you want but don’t you think hospitals here see old patients on a weekly or maybe even daily time line that can’t afford an operation they need or worse had? 

The police find old people who have fell down or slipped and broke some bone after being found by them a day or two later and can’t afford a hospital. The reason 800k is set is for some people’s own insurance. Thailand can’t afford such nonsense. Who cares if you get by on 30k the average person spends way more than that. You just don’t see the whole picture and seem to live in your own me me me bubble. Soon it will be over 800k required. Just wait or better yet SAVE!

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