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BANGKOK 24 July 2019 14:28
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My trip to Jomtien Immigration

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6 hours ago, a977 said:

So there you have it folks straight from the horses asses mouth At Jomtien . When is someone going to explain to these cretins the difference between what the police order states and what a Memorandum is PLEASE 

 

Given those two sentences, I'm 100% sure you probably didn't pass the attitude test on the day which may have allowed them to offer you some discretion as well... Keep rolling with your western superiority complex and I'm sure life will only get easier for you here.

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Just now, SammyT said:

 

Given those two sentences, I'm 100% sure you probably didn't pass the attitude test on the day which may have allowed them to offer you some discretion as well... Keep rolling with your western superiority complex and I'm sure life will only get easier for you here.

Clearly so, but even the most respectably presented and wai-ing/deferring applicant is still going to have their application rejected if they don't meet their technical rules. 

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1 hour ago, possum1931 said:
3 hours ago, Puchaiyank said:

The 800k baht has been a requirement for retirement visas for years...the embassy income letters have been exposed as a farce...put the money in a Thai bank and move on...or just move.

Another member of "if you don't like it go home" brigade.

 

Nope, more likely a member of the "common sense" brigade. Or the brigade who respect the right of the Thai government to make a rule and enforce it. 

 

I'm picking you're a member of the "I'm a rich farang and should be able to do what I like" brigade?

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19 minutes ago, ExpatDraco said:

While most Belgians have to do with a lot less pension. Consider yourself lucky Luke.

The basis principe in Belgium is, the more  you earn, the more you are deducted by the government : taxes, contributions, social security....

and how higher your pension is.

I am married, so my pension is a family pension.

 

By the way, I salute you Lord Draco.

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3 hours ago, PatOngo said:

IMHO if someone cannot afford to deposit 800,00 baht in an account then they are not ready for retirement!

Perhaps they should all go home,assuming they can afford to?

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4 hours ago, Puchaiyank said:

The 800k baht has been a requirement for retirement visas for years...the embassy income letters have been exposed as a farce...put the money in a Thai bank and move on...or just move.

Please explain how, exactly, they were "exposed as a farce"?  All I have seen is, "My friend at the bar told me he lied..." sort of claims. 

 

A felony-charge is nothing to sneeze at (USA and AU), and TI could have referred anyone lying for prosecution if they had any evidence of fraud - not to mention local charges for lying to RTP by presenting a fraudulent document.

 

6 hours ago, glegolo said:

Bull.. there were absolutely no "demands".. That is just an after-construction from your embassies side,, in order to not look like <deleted> when stopping issuing these income-letters... Specially when the whole rest of the would is doing them......

 

glegolo

I do not see why it can not be a combination effort.  TI wanted to stop the embassy letters cutting into their agent-revenue, so brought this up at the May meeting.  Some nations wanted to "shift" some of their expats to other countries, so played it up. 

 

The UK offers pension-increases, if you move to the PI - but not if you stay here; think about why that is?  Similarly, the PI has more than doubled the length of time one can stay in-country before doing an out/in run - to 3 years. 

 

In most world-events I have studied, there is no "good team" to be found - though sometimes a "less bad" or "much less bad" team.  In this case - embassies/depts-of-state vs immigration - it could be about equally bad.  One grabbed on arm, and one grabbed the other, and under-the-bus we went.

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The basis principe in Belgium is, the more  you earn, the more you are deducted by the government : taxes, contributions, social security....
and how higher your pension is.
I am married, so my pension is a family pension.
 
By the way, I salute you Lord Draco.
;-)

True, the more you earn the more taxes you pay... but pensions are capped, so at one point you pay more and more taxes but don't receive a higher pension. :(
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39 minutes ago, SammyT said:

 

Nope, more likely a member of the "common sense" brigade. Or the brigade who respect the right of the Thai government to make a rule and enforce it. 

 

I'm picking you're a member of the "I'm a rich farang and should be able to do what I like" brigade?

Thai government enforcing rules:cheesy:  need a brown enveIope for that.😄 I wish I was a rich Farang😄 and yes, I will do what I like if I think I will get away with it, and anything I do is not to the detriment of ordinary people.

Stick to everyones rules and you may as well just stay in your bed.

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1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

I would suggest that expats not expect those to be OK, and instead plan for an 800K bank account seasoned application where embassy letter was never needed.

You keep repeating that rhetoric throughout your posts and beginning to sound like an IO.

 

Repeated telling an 80 year old married expat, with assets of several thousand baht invested in Thailand, but living on a pension of 50-60K per month, to put the 400K in the bank doesn't help their situation.

Even f they tightened their belts, how long would it take to save 400K?

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2 hours ago, divali said:

For the embassies that still provide the affidavit, nothing has changed!

Nothing has changed for any of the embassies. For those that had the common sense to obtain an embassy letter before the deadline, those letters will still be acceptable until mid June.

 

Don't blame the embassies or TI for your spectacular lack of foresight.

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3 hours ago, stanleycoin said:

I doubt they will reduce staffing level.

More like reduce,  there work load.

So more time to Toss it off, or dream up more ways to stuff over those traitor Ex-pats.  :jap:

At the British Embassy, the income letters were processed entirely by Thai ancillary staff. My last income letter was even signed by a Thai.

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2 hours ago, Tanoshi said:

To 'verify' the income, as per Immigrations choice of word, would mean not accepting the original documents presented as being genuine, but in checking with the various organisation who issued the letters, that the letter and it's contents were actually genuine.

(The documents have been 'verified' as being genuine and original).

Data protection laws prevent this without your written permission.

There is zero evidence that this was said in the meeting between TI and the embassies, last May.

 

They asked for a greater level of verification from some embassies. Which embassies that was directed at and what level of verification they were asking for, we'll probably never know.

 

However, there's some indication of what was said in the fact that several embassies, who preform a similar level of verification to the British Embassy, saw no reason to change their method of verification or cease issuing their income letters.

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1 hour ago, JackThompson said:

A felony-charge is nothing to sneeze at (USA and AU), and TI could have referred anyone lying for prosecution if they had any evidence of fraud - not to mention local charges for lying to RTP by presenting a fraudulent document.

And in all the years of those embassies issuing affidavits, not one person was prosecuted for it, although I've no doubt a number of their citizens gilded the lily when making their declarations.

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