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BANGKOK 21 February 2019 21:12
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Pros and Cons of "Marriage" Extension vs. "Retirement" Extension

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6 minutes ago, Pib said:

Well said....you captured what I've always thought (right or wrong) about marriage extensions of stay.

 

From reading many TV posts over the years regarding marriage extension of stays the extra documents, extra visit or two to immigration, taking along some witnesses to validate "you & the wife are indeed married...live together...etc" is definitely not as easy as getting a retirement extension of stay excluding the income difference requirement (Bt400K vs Bt800K).    And based on quite a few posts it seems some immigration offices seem to make a marriage extension a real obstacle course....but hey, some offices can make a retirement extension an obstacle course also....every person's immigration office and situation can be different.

 

While I'm married to a Thai also for many decades I've always done a retirement extension of stay for almost a decade now.  Do in all by myself....no agent, wife, or witnesses needed to tag along.  Fortunately, I don't have an issue in putting Bt800K in a Thai bank.  I know many could easily put Bt800K in the bank but just don't want to for whatever reason like maybe don't trust Thai banks....that's OK as it's the individual's money to do with as desired.

 

Each year I've done my retirement extension of stay at Chaeng Wattana (Bangkok) Immigration with my application consisting of a few pieces of easily completed/obtained forms...I'm in-and-out within a few hours.  With my latest extension I arrived a 8:30am (immigration opening time) and was walking out the door & done for another year at 9:58am (a little quicker than normal)....but each year I've always been done well before noon.

 

A retirement extension of stay using the Bt800K in a Thai bank for 3 months before your application date is the "no fuss, no muss" method. 

Agreed, although I have to say, my first extension based on marriage was an adventure, because it was the first time, and there was that neighbor witness thing to deal with - thankfully forms and photos, didn't have to drag them to Immigration with us.

 

Every year since, wash, rinse repeat, never considered it that much of an admin burden.  That said, I ain't gunna miss it this next time.  Hello Retirement extension. 

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10 minutes ago, JackThompson said:

On #3 - Most of the marriages will have been in place for years or even decades, with some switching from "common law" to official.  Given the relatively low costs of an agent, vs a wife (even a fake/rented one), I really don't see "fake marriages" being an issue at all.

 

However, I agree with your conclusion- immigration is likely to push back hard to the massive-increase in marriage-based extensions, given the a clique who never liked us being married to Thais in the first place - so have made the process of extensions based on marriage include pointless, completely-unjustified hassles - which leads to the front-line IOs hating the process as well.

I think the embassy's not  wanting to submit  income affidavit's together with   opening up new rules(money must be shown coming from another country) has created all of this! It would be advantageous for expats on a marriage visa to have a courteous relationship IF POSSIBLE with a Immigration officer! Once that's  established by your wife,it could ease the stress on the Officer ! Over the years on 3 occasions  I have given small gifts for one IO officer!

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30 minutes ago, 55Jay said:

Agreed, although I have to say, my first extension based on marriage was an adventure, because it was the first time, and there was that neighbor witness thing to deal with - thankfully forms and photos, didn't have to drag them to Immigration with us.

 

Every year since, wash, rinse repeat, never considered it that much of an admin burden.  That said, I ain't gunna miss it this next time.  Hello Retirement extension. 

 

Are you saying the witness was NOT required on subsequent extensions? It is probably the most ridiculous and inane part of renewals. Come on guys, you have already established the facts. Get it together, please. We are not the enemy!

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23 hours ago, JLCrab said:

Marriage 

Pro - you can work (with a work permit)

Con - You have to be married.

That is the funniest thing I have heard in months.  I literally broke out laughing when I read it.  Thumbs Up. 

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7 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

Are you saying the witness was NOT required on subsequent extensions? It is probably the most ridiculous and inane part of renewals. Come on guys, you have already established the facts. Get it together, please. We are not the enemy!

Correct, at least in my case, not sure about others / other offices. 

 

Had two neighbors sign witness forms provided to me by Immigration.  I was told to take a photo of each neighbor as they signed the form, and provide that, along with a copy of their Thai ID. 

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12 minutes ago, Thomas J said:

Thumbs Up.

OK. Thanks.

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34 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

 

Are you saying the witness was NOT required on subsequent extensions? It is probably the most ridiculous and inane part of renewals.

This policy varies by office - depending on the local head-honcho's attitudes on mixed-marriages and/or desire for agent-money.

 

34 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

Come on guys, you have already established the facts. Get it together, please. We are not the enemy!

They sure treated my Thai wife like one.  Thank goodness 99% of Thais don't have those views.

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1 hour ago, sawadee1947 said:

Take a letter from your embassy stating your income. Then you are free to do what you want. 

That depends on which Embassy is yours.

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31 minutes ago, Thomas J said:

That is the funniest thing I have heard in months.  I literally broke out laughing when I read it.  Thumbs Up. 

My God man, get on you tube and watch Jimmy Carr, Bernard Manning or even watch Eastenders, you'll get a better laugh than reading Thai Visa.

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5 hours ago, DrJack54 said:

Yes same.  What I would like to know is the TM30 required for retirement and marriage extensions. In a current thread running a member stated that tm30 was now required for extension at CW. Note it sounded like his extension was based on marriage. Many others (myself included) where stating that they have NEVER been asked for tm30 over many years, including recent extensions. Their extensions based on retirement. So what's the go?

A difficult question to answer as reports of CW insisting on a TM.30 are relatively new. It could be that they only require it if another form of proof of address isn't available.

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I went from a Non O based on marriage to a extension of stay based on retirement.  I have no intention of working here, so the ability to work doesn't bother me.  The requirement for up to date photos, interviews, IOs talking to neighbours, home visits was too much for me to contemplate, so I opted out. For me, a retirement  extension is much less hassle. 

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Just now, Pilotman said:

I went from a Non O based on marriage to a extension of stay based on retirement.  I have no intention of working here, so the ability to work doesn't bother me.  The requirement for up to date photos, interviews, IOs talking to neighbours, home visits was too much for me to contemplate, so I opted out. For me, a retirement  extension is much less hassle. 

Yup.  If you've got the money, are 50+ and don't care about working here, retirement extension is a no-brainer. 

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5 hours ago, LawrenceN said:

I'm in my eighth year retired in Thailand. At first, I had a marriage visa. Six years ago, I submitted all the paperwork to extend it, wife by my side, all looked good. The IO told me to come back on a particular date more than a month away to get my extension. "No can do," I said. I had a plane ticket booked to be in the US on that date. IO was totally inflexible, said it had to be that one date, with a very smug, satisfied grin, as if she had won some sort of victory. Mrs. and I were incredulous, couldn't believe what we hearing, and no reason was given for the firm date. After we sat there confused for a couple of minutes, IO told us that she could give me a retirement extension right there on the spot. Marriage paperwork covers retirement paperwork and then some. With no other good choice, I took the retirement extension, which I have had ever since. To this day, I don't understand the IO's reaction, why a retirement extension is better from their perspective. So there's that.

An 'under consideration' period of 30 days is standard practice. Some offices apply 30 days from the date you apply, others form the date your current extension ends, which is the correct procedure. It sounds like yours was the latter. The IO wouldn't of had the authority to give you a different date, smug or otherwise.

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