Education not to blame for BNK48's Nazi moment: Official

[snoop1130]

Education not to blame for BNK48's Nazi moment: Official

By Jintamas Saksornchai, Staff Reporter

 

Images posted by True ID from a televised BNK48 rehearsal on Friday.

 

BANGKOK — Debate continues over whether personal ignorance or a bad education was to blame for a pop singer taking the stage in a Nazi flag.

 

Nineteen-year-old Pichayapa “Namsai” Natha became the latest of many Thais to court fury for embracing a symbol that causes hurt worldwide, only to say afterward they had no idea what it meant. And blaming a lack of world history education is a defense her fans and even many of her detractors find valid, considering the poor reputation of education in Thailand.

 

Full Story: http://www.khaosodenglish.com/news/2019/01/29/education-not-to-blame-for-bnk48s-nazi-moment-official/

 

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[lovelomsak]

Cannot blame education children here do not get an education. They go to school play then go home. 

   If a person is not educated you certainly cannot blame education. Maybe lack of education yes.

[robsamui]

A nation, with no interest in any kind of world history outside of its own, establishes a national education curriculum that contains no kind of world history outside of its own, then trains its teachers (who have no knowledge of any kind of world history outside of their own) to teach their young people whatever sort of 'world history' they feel like - it's up to the teachers because 'wold history' isn't important enough to lay-down any specifics; just vague and general guidelines.

Then 'experts' and spokespeople come out of the woodwork to announce with conviction and authority that "education" is not to blame for the ignorance of their young people (or their teachers, for that matter).

Make sense of that one - it's living proof that ignorance breeds ignorance.

[Pattaya28]

And remember 2-3 years ago a Bangkok fast-food restaurant opened named "Hitler Fried Chicken". 

An "average" Thai will not have been taught about the "holocaust". 

But who sanctioned the manufacture and design of the shirt ?

Why did the television company allow this to be transmitted ?

All uneducated people all the way along the line. 

[mok199]

In a nation where '' Bin Laden '' is just the name of a Giraffe at the zoo , are we really shocked that a Pop star who lip syncs at all her performances is this thick....Amusing Thailand...

[Chippy151]

While world history subjects including World War II must be taught, even at the elementary school level, no specifics are laid out and the content is left up to the teachers.

 

"The content is left up to the teacher".

 

I would imagine the history teachers themselves are not really interested in world history. So they probably don't teach it.

I would love to know what world history is being taught in Thai schools and who is teaching it.

[Lungstib]

If she had just a smattering of local religious education she could have passed her shirt off as Buddhist. This image stands quite proudly on the edge of the highway running toward Tha Ton from Mae Chan and as far as I know no-one has suggested its offensive.

[tifino]

7 minutes ago, Chippy151 said:

While world history subjects including World War II must be taught, even at the elementary school level, no specifics are laid out and the content is left up to the teachers.

 

"The content is left up to the teacher".

 

I would imagine the history teachers themselves are not really interested in world history. So they probably don't teach it.

I would love to know what world history is being taught in Thai schools and who is teaching it.

 

well, in one of their DM museum;  WW2 was a B-29 being shot down by a P36 (that was also shot down by the B29, but that wasn't as important)

[bannork]

4 minutes ago, Lungstib said:

If she had just a smattering of local religious education she could have passed her shirt off as Buddhist. This image stands quite proudly on the edge of the highway running toward Tha Ton from Mae Chan and as far as I know no-one has suggested its offensive.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika

[Chang_paarp]

2 hours ago, snoop1130 said:

Education not to blame for BNK48's Nazi moment: Official

Ironically the quoted official is exactly right.

It is the lack of education that causes this sort of incident.

[ozmeldo]

47 minutes ago, Lungstib said:

If she had just a smattering of local religious education she could have passed her shirt off as Buddhist. This image stands quite proudly on the edge of the highway running toward Tha Ton from Mae Chan and as far as I know no-one has suggested its offensive.

Not really bc it's backwards genius. Maybe you could use the smattering.

[robsamui]

1 hour ago, bannork said:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika

You might want to really strain both your awareness and your powers of observation, but the ancient mystic symbol and  the Nazi Swastika are not the same.

[Prissana Pescud]

1 hour ago, Lungstib said:

If she had just a smattering of local religious education she could have passed her shirt off as Buddhist. This image stands quite proudly on the edge of the highway running toward Tha Ton from Mae Chan and as far as I know no-one has suggested its offensive.

This symbol on the Buddha is not a swastica. The Nazi symbol is based on an ancient Aryan symbol. The "arms" of Nazi symbol face the other way to this one. 

The symbol on the Buddha is a symbol used to represent the sun. The Nazis changed the ancient symbol. The ancient symbol is still used in Buddhist rites. 

 

The Nazi symbol is now used to depict mass murder and total intolerance. It is an evil symbol. 

It should never be seen and the fact it is worn indicates a desperate lack of education and humanity. 

[bannork]

in his 1925 work Mein Kampf, Adolf Hitler writes that: "I myself, meanwhile, after innumerable attempts, had laid down a final form; a flag with a red background, a white disk, and a black swastika in the middle. After long trials I also found a definite proportion between the size of the flag and the size of the white disk, as well as the shape and thickness of the swastika."

When Hitler created a flag for the Nazi Party, he sought to incorporate both the swastika and "those revered colors expressive of our homage to the glorious past and which once brought so much honor to the German nation." (Red, white, and black were the colors of the flag of the old German Empire.) He also stated: "As National Socialists, we see our program in our flag. In red, we see the social idea of the movement; in white, the nationalistic idea; in the swastika, the mission of the struggle for the victory of the Aryan man, and, by the same token, the victory of the idea of creative work."^[147]

The swastika was also understood as "the symbol of the creating, effecting life" (das Symbol des schaffenden, wirkenden Lebens) and as "race emblem of Germanism" (Rasseabzeichen des Germanentums).^[148]

The use of the swastika was incorporated by Nazi theorists with their conjecture of Aryan cultural descent of the German people. The fascination of the German people with Aryanism arose when artifacts with swastikas on them were found near the Trojan city of Troy by Heinrich Schliemann. The Nazi party was looking for the symbol that would preferably catch the attention of all of Germany and the swastika had that potential. It became a symbol to unify the German people, to a conjecture about their ancestors, Aryan identity and nationalistic pride. It also allowed the Nazi party to establish their anti-Semitic views, as well as terrify Jews and the enemies of the Nazi state^.

Drawing on misinterpreted references in the Rig Veda by Western scholars in the 19th century, the term "Aryan" was adopted as a racial category through the works of Arthur de Gobineau, whose ideology of race was based on an idea of blonde northern European "Aryans" who had migrated across the world and founded all major civilizations, before being diluted through racial mixing with local populations. Through the works of Houston Stewart Chamberlain, Gobineau's ideas later influenced the Nazi racial ideology which saw "Aryan peoples" as innately superior to other putative racial groups.

[HalfLight]

Education not to blame for BNK48's Nazi moment: Officail

 

What crap is this? Of course a lack of basic education is to blame, to say otherwise is just sophistry in the face of undeniable and primary responsibility.

 

 

 

[akirasan]

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Education not to blame: Officail

mmhmm

[overherebc]

48 minutes ago, robsamui said:

You might want to really strain both your awareness and your powers of observation, but the ancient mystic symbol and  the Nazi Swastika are not the same.

The original design. Thanks to another poster. I downloaded from his post.

[GeoMill]

27 minutes ago, HalfLight said:

Education not to blame for BNK48's Nazi moment: Officail

 

What crap is this? Of course a lack of basic education is to blame, to say otherwise is just sophistry in the face of undeniable and primary responsibility.

 

 

 

At what point did European history become basic education for the world? 

Can we for a day stop being arrogant and think of the west as the center of the universe?

 

Do you know about the war crimes commited under the rising sun flag? If you had known, you'd start a champaign to make that flag illegal as well..

 

Or were Korean/Chinese/Asian lifes not worth as much as Jews/Westerners?

[faraday]

5 minutes ago, ozmeldo said:

Herein lies the crux of the problem. The shouty downers.

 

That girl had every personal right and freedom to wear that shirt. Boo hoo.

 

Sorry this is news so late in your small little life but people need not agree with your opinions to be happy or successful.

 

Freedom really doesn't mean 'doing what you want'.

 

It's about carrying one's 'right' in a responsible way.

[White Christmas13]

3 minutes ago, ozmeldo said:

Herein lies the crux of the problem. The shouty downers.

 

That girl had every personal right and freedom to wear that shirt. Boo hoo.

 

Sorry this is news so late in your small little life but people need not agree with your opinions to be happy or successful.

 

My small little life? I don't want to say any thing else I got banned replying to shit like your post my little life exist of 71 years 

[White Christmas13]

3 minutes ago, ozmeldo said:

Herein lies the crux of the problem. The shouty downers.

 

That girl had every personal right and freedom to wear that shirt. Boo hoo.

 

Sorry this is news so late in your small little life but people need not agree with your opinions to be happy or successful.

 

My small little life? I don't want to say any thing else I got banned replying to shit like your post my little life exist of 71 years 

[HalfLight]

1 minute ago, GeoMill said:

At what point did European history become basic education for the world? 

Can we for a day stop being arrogant and think of the west as the center of the universe?

 

Do you know about the war crimes commited under the rising sun flag? If you had known, you'd start a champaign to make that flag illegal as well..

 

Or were Korean/Chinese lifes not worth as much as Jews/Russians?

Oh puhlease stop with the hatred. We live in a westernised world, and of course easterners must have at least a passing familiarity with it. Thailand was a part of WW2, and it allied itself with the first power to reach it's borders, the Japanese.  Its students should therefore have a working knowledge of it's sympathies with the Japanese (and presumably with its allies the Germans). In fact, Thailand came very close to having to pay war reparations as a result of it's complicity with the Japanese and it was only the Americans who prevented that. Thsi students should know about this and why.

 

History is all about decisions, and the decisions Thailand made should be taught and regretted by all school students in the name of learning something. This is no place for First-world-haters.

[ozmeldo]

I hope all you SJWs will now go buy a ticket to her/bnk48 handshake and go yell at her in her face in person instead of just pissing in the wind here.

 

Heroes

 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

I'd say the comments by the various Thai Education officials in the article are typical, useless CYA (cover your a**) stuff.

 

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While world history subjects including World War II must be taught, even at the elementary school level, no specifics are laid out and the content is left up to the teachers.

 

If those claims are true, then how come members here keep recounting that their spouses and/or GFs don't even recognize the term "World War II" at all!!!  Much less know any details about what went on with it.

 

The answer is -- the content is left up to the teachers, and they decide to skip it entirely, since the teachers probably know just about as little about WW II as their students do.

 

 

[darksidedog]

Sorry to spoil the 2019 world bickering contest, but I have just removed a stupid number of insensitive, dumb, rude and inflammatory comments and off topic replies.

You have dragged the whole thing totally away from the subject supposedly under discussion.

Were I not about to sign off and get some sleep, more than just one person would be getting a warning for that lot.

Keep it polite and on topic, or pray I am in a good mood in the morning. (Which doesn't happen often.)

[ozmeldo]

It's ironic isn't it? The hate.

 

Hate for the little girl that made a bit of a mistake in judgement. Hate for differing opinions.

 

The internet is wrong!

 

I teach Thai kids (yes, oh! the humanity!!!). In fact I teach very smart, well educated Thai students. I can tell you there is not a great deal of time spent on ww2. That is in the best of schools.

 

There is also no time spent on the numerous coups here. Nor what hspp6in Cambodia from 1955 to 1979. Mao? Mao is not a murderer he's a fashion statement. No one bitching about Saloth Sar, Keiu Sam Pan, Tah Mok and Mao. Burma?! Please. No, Thai students didn't learn any of that either despite being at their doorstep.

 

This girl will be scarred for life for wearing a tee shirt you feel is *inappropriate*.

 

This is a total distraction from important things in our personal lives and collectively.

 

Social Justice Warriors are the Nazis of the 21c. It's absolutely truth.

 

Everyone has a right to say anything and act in any manner they please as long as your physical person is not affected. You're an adult? Suck it up.

 

Everyone is allowed a voice.

 

Now go buy a bnk48 ticket and go shout that girl down to her face.

[Canuckabroad]

I find myself agreeing with some views on both sides of this argument

[dcnx]

4 hours ago, ozmeldo said:

 

Everyone has a right to say anything and act in any manner they please as long as your physical person is not affected. You're an adult? Suck it up.

 

Everyone is allowed a voice.

 

Thanks. Now I’ll start wearing my shirt with the face of a person we’re not allowed to talk about here photoshopped onto a buffalo body.

 

It matches with my Buddha flip flops.

 

I’m sure everyone here will be adults when I wear it out. After all, we’re all allowed to have a voice.

 

 

[kannot]

10 hours ago, robsamui said:

contains no kind of world history outside of its own

and fabricates most of that anyway

[faraday]

6 hours ago, ozmeldo said:

Everyone has a right to say anything and act in any manner they please as long as your physical person is not affected. You're an adult? Suck it up.

 

Everyone is allowed a voice.

Are you really saying that people have a right to do this?

 

Don't you think there should be consequences for people's actions?

 

You're winding us up, surely?

 

????