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You have to assume that the embassies giving letters confirm the income of their citizens, that is why immigration excepts those letters. Remember the 4 embassies no longer giving letters refused to do a deeper confirmation of income and hence stopped issueing letters.

  Come on boys are your days so boring you have to get in a uproar over little thing immigration does or does not do.

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7 minutes ago, Russell17au said:

Well, it appears that there is something about the type of income that has attracted the IO's attention and she has said that this type of income is not acceptable. What type of income it was we do not know but it is something that we should be wary of if we do our extensions via the income system. One of the mistakes that the OP has made was to argue with an IO because if you are silly enough to do that then you can expect all sorts of problems, so maybe it was that, that has caused his problem

More than likely a communication issue and not the actual income source. Remember english is a very distant second language to many Thais

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55 minutes ago, Russell17au said:

The bank statements may not show anything, but what about the bank letter that goes with the statements. Does that show anything? It is just that the IO said that this type of income is not acceptable that says that something about the income is in question, so something must have been presented to the IO for her to say that.

Of the one example I've seen, the bank statements showed monthly transfers deposit into the account all of which did not defined the deposits as International. (Kasikorn bank) Local domestic deposits.

The letter contained two lines merely confirming the account holder and the balance as of that date.

 

Immigration totalled the (highlighted) monthly deposits (3 off) on the first statement, then shuffled through a couple more looking for same highlighted amounts. The concern was that the deposits were not listed as being from overseas.

The IO stated he wasn't concerned where they came from as long as the amounts met the financial requirement.

This was an extension based on marriage.

 

 

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21 minutes ago, moe666 said:

More than likely a communication issue and not the actual income source. Remember english is a very distant second language to many Thais

Also remember that the OP is from a European country so maybe his English is not that great either. Possibility.

Some European men are very arrogant, I was at my local Immigration office to get my extension stamp and there was a European man there and he was carrying on like a complete idiot and being abusive simply because he did not have his correct paperwork. The supervisor ended up coming over and getting his passport and paperwork and giving it all back to him and pointing her finger towards the door. He did not want to leave and continued to rant and rave until a couple of the male investigators came and escorted him out of the office. He was a disgrace and nobody deserved to be spoken to like he spoke to the IO's when it was his own fault.

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12 minutes ago, Russell17au said:

Also remember that the OP is from a European country so maybe his English is not that great either. Possibility.

Some European men are very arrogant, I was at my local Immigration office to get my extension stamp and there was a European man there and he was carrying on like a complete idiot and being abusive simply because he did not have his correct paperwork. The supervisor ended up coming over and getting his passport and paperwork and giving it all back to him and pointing her finger towards the door. He did not want to leave and continued to rant and rave until a couple of the male investigators came and escorted him out of the office. He was a disgrace and nobody deserved to be spoken to like he spoke to the IO's when it was his own fault.

A far to common occurrence and not just in Immigration offices.

 

If you can't learn at least some basic Thai, it may be frustrating, but only one person to blame for going unprepared.

If I'm looking for a specific item, I often take a phot or printout of the internet, which an assistant immediately understands.

I still get niggled though when they confidently announce 'no hab', without looking or consulting another member of staff, only for me to then find exactly what I'm looking for 2 aisles away.

Perhaps wrongly, I then make a point of showing the member of staff the item, before announcing 'hab'.

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1 hour ago, wgdanson said:

The bank will issue a letter for the IO showing that the income into the bank came from abroad ie FTT or International Transfer shown on your bank book or statement, which I could do myself.

THe IO will then look at all those documents and hopefully accept them. No?

 

 

IMO..... (for what it's worth)... I think no.

 

 

Don't want to misquote but I think it was Ubonjoe who said that the bank were signing letters to certify that an account was live with a balance of XYZ at the time of the letter.

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2 minutes ago, LucysDad said:

Don't want to misquote but I think it was Ubonjoe who said that the bank were signing letters to certify that an account was live with a balance of XYZ at the time of the letter.

That's the normal "bank letter" also used for "money in the bank" extensions. 

 

They will also print, sign and stamp a transaction-history - but if the transactions appear to be domestic, that could be a problem - or not - who knows.

 

28 minutes ago, Russell17au said:

there was a European man there and he was carrying on like a complete idiot and being abusive simply because he did not have his correct paperwork.

Are you sure he really didn't have the correct paperwork?   Stupid to throw a fit, though - even if the visitor is right, it can only lessen the chances of solving the problem.


I made sure to hold my tongue while being shafted by them - poker-face - not venting until a few blocks safely away - especially after my wife told me some of the things said to her in Thai. 

 

No point burning bridges.  I read a report where someone did that, then tried with an agent, and the agent was told, "Not for this guy" (at any price, evidently).

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9 minutes ago, LucysDad said:

IMO..... (for what it's worth)... I think no.

 

Don't want to misquote but I think it was Ubonjoe who said that the bank were signing letters to certify that an account was live with a balance of XYZ at the time of the letter.

UJ was correct from the bank letter I witnessed.

 

That's not to say that in the future Immigration may clarify with the banks exactly what the form these letters should take.

It was reported TI have already instructed and discussed this issue with the HQ's.

This will filter to the branches by 2022.

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3 minutes ago, JackThompson said:

I made sure to hold my tongue while being shafted by them - poker-face - not venting until a few blocks safely away - especially after my wife told me some of the things said to her in Thai. 

Aaah Jack, so your the one I saw throwing a hissy fit on the sidewalk.

 

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2 minutes ago, nchuckle said:

When notice of the new arrangements came out I predicted the rules "would be poorly drafted,ill  thought through, open to ambiguity,improperly understood by immigration offices and an opportunity for individual IOs and offices to exercise their egos and strut their stuff. So far 100% correct!

What day is the world going to end.  ????

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7 minutes ago, Tanoshi said:

UJ was correct from the bank letter I witnessed.

 

That's not to say that in the future Immigration may clarify with the banks exactly what the form these letters should take.

It was reported TI have already instructed and discussed this issue with the HQ's.

This will filter to the branches by 2022.

 

 

This was what I had in mind when I posted.... from Tuesday:-

 

Read this thread. It's from a poster who has successfully renewed his extension using the new income rules.

 In the opening post the OP says:

The IO confirmed the bank letter was only required to show the current balance and therefore it was a valid account. The twelve months bank statements and/or the up to date bank book are whats needed to prove twelve months deposits that originated from overseas.

As you read through the thread THE op and others, including Ubonjoe, confirm the bank letter is only required to show the current balance of the account and therefore it was a valid account.

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4 minutes ago, LucysDad said:

 

 

This was what I had in mind when I posted.... from Tuesday:-

 

Read this thread. It's from a poster who has successfully renewed his extension using the new income rules.

 In the opening post the OP says:

The IO confirmed the bank letter was only required to show the current balance and therefore it was a valid account. The twelve months bank statements and/or the up to date bank book are whats needed to prove twelve months deposits that originated from overseas.

As you read through the thread THE op and others, including Ubonjoe, confirm the bank letter is only required to show the current balance of the account and therefore it was a valid account.

Exactly as I've posted in this thread, only the bank statements didn't specific the deposits were from a foreign source.

The IO was unfazed by that fact. It's pending approval.

 

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this is all retrospect this 40/65000 came about only recently, i bet no one has 12 months back transactions to show, because we would NOT have been unaware of it (unless you have physic powers) as it was not even thought about 12 months ago. i personally send top up money about every 3 months, can be here in 2 days.but now that option is no more. 

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A few points:

 

  Extension is based on marriage.  Did the Thai wife participate?  Did the Thai wife smooth over the situation or irritate the Immigration Officer?

 

  Did the OP throw a fit?  Never a good way to curry favor.  Obviously, the OP will not volunteer this info.

 

  Did the OP return another day and talk to someone else?  A (very) junior Immigration Officer will guarantee a refusal based on not wanting to make a mistake and be sent to some obscure border crossing with no A/C or nightlife.

 

In every transaction are two parties.  Think about them perhaps?  How does your request affect them?

 

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2 hours ago, Thaidream said:

My funds are in Thailand every time- I go to a Thai ATM and use my US  debit card.  I never bring in less than 65K per month and sometimes over 100K per month.  Easily proved via a printout of my Bank Account records which even shows the exact location of the thai ATM used =backed up by the Debit Card number on the receipt.  Absolute proof I have the monthly income and the amount brought into Thailand.

But the requirement is a statement from a Thai bank not a US one. Although I agree what you can provide confirms money from overseas, it just falls short of the amendment stated requirements. 

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5 minutes ago, Monkeyrobot said:

so embassy’s that do give the income letter are they saying they verify the applicants income before they hand over the income letter? 

They are verifying their citizens's claim of income and, if the citizen is making a false statement, not their problem.

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22 hours ago, ubonjoe said:

At this time that may be up to the discretion of the immigration officer in charge.

Did you have a full year of international transfers to show?

Am I led to beleive you need only transfer an arbitrary amount to a thai bank account each month and that is the "income verification" ?

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1 minute ago, Time Traveller said:

Am I led to beleive you need only transfer an arbitrary amount to a thai bank account each month and that is the "income verification" ?

It has to be at least 65k baht for a extension based upon on retirement or 40k baht for one based upon marriage.

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8 hours ago, Ahab said:

My backup plan is to get another multiple entry non-immigrant O visa and start saving the 400,000 baht for an extension based on marriage (currently on an extension based on retirement). Hopefully Buriram immigration will accept the income coming into my Bangkok Bank account each and every month (with an FTT code).

The immigration in hua hin are not interested in the bank book and dont even know the meaning of ftt. I had a letter from bangkok bank stamped and explaining the ftt code. No way the immigration will accept. You have to go to the bank EVERY time you received the money in your account and they will give you a certificate showing what country the money was sent from. Krung Thai give this certificate without asking for any fee. It is accepted by the immigration. If you ask for this sertificate after some time after the transfers, they might ask for a fee of 500 baht because the sertificate will be sent from bangkok banks main office in bangkok.

 

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3 hours ago, Thaidream said:

Absolute proof I have the monthly income and the amount brought into Thailand.

Sorry I'm late to the discussion here.

 

What is proof to you may not be proof to them.

 

I needed proof of Indonesian employment to get my latest work permit. I had previous work permit stamps in expired passports which proved to me that i had worked here but they wanted letters from previous employers.

 

Just saying......

 

 

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1 minute ago, Time Traveller said:

In the past you needed all kinds of forms and letters and proof. Now just a bank statement for the past 12months, right?

You also need a letter from the bank. The have to shown as coming from abroad also.

You can still use proof of income from you embassy if they issue them.

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If you transfer money from abroad and need proof for that then get the sertificate from the bank for each transfer. Get it as soon as possible and they will give you that without charging fee. I seen many angry farang that is refused at immigration and they dont seem to understand that the immigration want REAL PROOF of that the money come from abroad.

 

So everyone, i recommend you to go and get this sertificate from your bank after every transfer!

 

 

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3 hours ago, mercman24 said:

this is all retrospect this 40/65000 came about only recently, i bet no one has 12 months back transactions to show, because we would NOT have been unaware of it (unless you have physic powers) as it was not even thought about 12 months ago. i personally send top up money about every 3 months, can be here in 2 days.but now that option is no more. 

Actually I DO have past bank statements because I had to have them to prove my income to British Embassy and so I also had my Thai ones as well. Lucky boy.

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