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BANGKOK 21 February 2019 14:18
Jonathan Fairfield

Foreigners now need to keep 800k in Thai bank for three months AFTER retirement extension is granted

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7 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

What's strange about it?

Immigration don,t care about last year! Last year gross 65k home income qualified you....this year 65k net in Thai bank plus this year say 15k  t/f fees. Can you see the price rise there?

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Good guys in. Bad guys out. I know this is bad news for some good guys that don't have that type of money to put aside for an extended period of time, or don't have that type of money at all. I've always told people if they wanted to come and live here for long term, to always have something to go back to back home. Set yourself up in a way where you won't have nothing, otherwise don't come here. If you want to come here and teach (long term), stay home, attend university, get the proper qualifications and get a decent teaching job at a decent international school with decent pay and you can live a normal life. There is no use coming here only to return back where you came from poorer than how you arrived. Immigration laws / conditions are dynamic, even in the so called "first world" countries (which are even more stringent). As much as I feel sorry for the good guys that don't have that sort of money, I feel happy as well that slowly but surely Thailand will eradicate all the old men sitting on bar stools with their bellies hanging out, scraping up Baht just to make ends meet who ran away from families / problems back home and dragged their problems with them to Thailand. It's pretty simple people, Thailand is slowly getting in there with the rest of the world and enforcing laws which the bad guys took advantage of for decades. You can poke a bear once and maybe get away with it, but if you keep poking him... 

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17 hours ago, elviajero said:

Perjury must have been committed hundreds (maybe thousands) of times over the years with these affidavits,

Likely more often than on 'Judge Judy'......

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On 2/19/2019 at 7:15 PM, elviajero said:

I think the embassy letter/affidavit option will eventually go leaving only transfers into the country as the only way to prove income, or 800K.

Pure assumption .Your thoughts are baseless . Lets talk facts, just the facts.

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3 minutes ago, indepth said:

Pure assumption .Your thoughts are baseless . Lets talk facts, just the facts.

He did say I think! Is there a problem with saying that now, and I think he probably based that on some facts... some discussions...some logical observations....etc really?

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48 minutes ago, MikeN said:

In the case of the Australian embassy, it is not just Statutory Declarations for income here in Thailand that have stopped, but all Stat Decs for certifying your address, etc, and also in some other countries too. I don’t know if this is because of a change in the law in Australia, or just an administrative decision by Foreign Affairs, but embassy websites I checked at random say that Stat Decs are for use in Australia, or on Australian issued forms.

 From the Aus embassy in NZ :

Notarial Services are provided by the High Commission (Wellington) or Consulate-General (Auckland), where the documents are of Australian origin, or are for use in Australia

 

 The Tokyo embassy website:

Notarial services are only available where the documents are Australian in origin, or intended for use in Australia. Ensure you provide correct written instructions to our staff. Fees apply.

 

And of course the BKK embassy:

Please note that Australian consular or diplomatic officers are only permitted to witness an Australian Statutory Declaration being made for use in Australia by an Australian entity.

 

So for us Aussies at least, it’s not just here in Thailand that the changes apply, and it’s probably just coincidence that it happened around the same time as other embassies decided not to certify income statements for whatever reason.

 

Things are getting repeated over and ;over and over. Noting new being posted. I posted about the Oz Stat Dec months ago in my thread,. "great news for Ozzies". Time for all for all threads about this matter to be stopped until there are new orders issued.

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18 hours ago, elviajero said:

And the reality is that the Embassies probably don't give a stuff if the person is perjuring themselves to a foreign government; and the IO's processing the applications are happy as long as the letter/affidavit confirms the income. 

 

Perjury must have been committed hundreds (maybe thousands) of times over the years with these affidavits, and as far as I'm aware no one has ever been 'caught out' because no one checks. It's been a big loophole in the system that is closing/closed.

Wrong again. Perjury has never been committed "with these affidavits". I do wish people would do their research before posting their unfounded comments, opinions, they are not helpful.

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31 minutes ago, SweetStickyRice said:

Good guys in. Bad guys out. I know this is bad news for some good guys that don't have that type of money to put aside for an extended period of time, or don't have that type of money at all. I've always told people if they wanted to come and live here for long term, to always have something to go back to back home. Set yourself up in a way where you won't have nothing, otherwise don't come here. If you want to come here and teach (long term), stay home, attend university, get the proper qualifications and get a decent teaching job at a decent international school with decent pay and you can live a normal life. There is no use coming here only to return back where you came from poorer than how you arrived. Immigration laws / conditions are dynamic, even in the so called "first world" countries (which are even more stringent). As much as I feel sorry for the good guys that don't have that sort of money, I feel happy as well that slowly but surely Thailand will eradicate all the old men sitting on bar stools with their bellies hanging out, scraping up Baht just to make ends meet who ran away from families / problems back home and dragged their problems with them to Thailand. It's pretty simple people, Thailand is slowly getting in there with the rest of the world and enforcing laws which the bad guys took advantage of for decades. You can poke a bear once and maybe get away with it, but if you keep poking him... 

So after that expose on eradicating old men, how are you? OK and set for life? Are you a good guy or a bad guy?Bit early to tell? I,m sure your not retired either so really your views are worthless to this topic .

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1 hour ago, SweetStickyRice said:

Good guys in. Bad guys out. I know this is bad news for some good guys that don't have that type of money to put aside for an extended period of time, or don't have that type of money at all. I've always told people if they wanted to come and live here for long term, to always have something to go back to back home. Set yourself up in a way where you won't have nothing, otherwise don't come here. If you want to come here and teach (long term), stay home, attend university, get the proper qualifications and get a decent teaching job at a decent international school with decent pay and you can live a normal life. There is no use coming here only to return back where you came from poorer than how you arrived. Immigration laws / conditions are dynamic, even in the so called "first world" countries (which are even more stringent). As much as I feel sorry for the good guys that don't have that sort of money, I feel happy as well that slowly but surely Thailand will eradicate all the old men sitting on bar stools with their bellies hanging out, scraping up Baht just to make ends meet who ran away from families / problems back home and dragged their problems with them to Thailand. It's pretty simple people, Thailand is slowly getting in there with the rest of the world and enforcing laws which the bad guys took advantage of for decades. You can poke a bear once and maybe get away with it, but if you keep poking him... 

Whats wrong with "old men sitting on bar stools with their bellies hanging out"?

Are they hurting you in some way, or, are you just a judgmental snob?

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42 minutes ago, indepth said:

Pure assumption .Your thoughts are baseless . Lets talk facts, just the facts.

It's an assumption I agree with.

Wasn't it an assumption, based on logic, that Immigration would have to announce an alternative method of proving incomes deposited in a Thai bank when some of the Embassies stopped issuing income letters.

 

This whole scenario kicked off by TI becoming suspicious and requesting back up proof supporting incomes declared on Embassy letters.

There is nothing to prevent them continuing to request supporting documents in support of incomes declared via Embassy letters and they now have an approved alternative of Thai bank statements + bank letters as proof of income.

If they find that these declared Embassy incomes are not actually being transferred to meet their financial requirements, they could very easily just stop acceptance of Embassies letters and advise to use the alternative method.

A method that they can 'verify' themselves.

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Hello "Olmate" To reply to your questions and assumptions, I am just fine. Am I set for life? I can tell you that I'm very comfortable. Not nearly where I want to be, but I can put THB800k in the bank and leave it there all year round. No problem. Am I a good or a bad guy? That is none of your business. You've also assumed I'm not retired either, which is correct. I work/ed really hard to be where I am. If I wanted to, I probably could and live here very comfortably. And you are very incorrect to say my views is worthless on this topic. If I've touched a nerve, maybe you're just one of those who made the wrong decision in the past and it's going to come back and bite you now. What people fail to realise, is that they living in a foreign country, no matter how long anyone has been here. Do it the right way, and don't come here with nothing and expect everything to work out.

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Hello "Joe Mcseismic" Please do not get offended if you have a fat belly. Yes, I can be a judgemental snob sometimes, everyone can. Please try to understand the whole context. If you have a fat belly and have some kind of means to sustain yourself here, by all means, but if you are scraping Baht each month to make ends meet and don't have anything saved for a rainy day, you are or eventually will be a burden to the society. I will leave it at that. Thailand is just getting on with the program. Every country in the world has strict immigration regulations, although Thailand didn't enforce them for a long time, people took chances and now it blew up in their faces. Be prepared when you move and decide to live in a foreign country. That's all I'm saying.

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36 minutes ago, Tanoshi said:

It's an assumption I agree with.

Wasn't it an assumption, based on logic, that Immigration would have to announce an alternative method of proving incomes deposited in a Thai bank when some of the Embassies stopped issuing income letters.

 

This whole scenario kicked off by TI becoming suspicious and requesting back up proof supporting incomes declared on Embassy letters.

There is nothing to prevent them continuing to request supporting documents in support of incomes declared via Embassy letters and they now have an approved alternative of Thai bank statements + bank letters as proof of income.

If they find that these declared Embassy incomes are not actually being transferred to meet their financial requirements, they could very easily just stop acceptance of Embassies letters and advise to use the alternative method.

A method that they can 'verify' themselves.

" if they find, they could very easily, advise to use the alternative". I give up, cheers.

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