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Just watched last nights Panorama on Brexit. For the BBC it wasn't too biased although Phil Childs isn't my cup of tea but it is worth a watch. What I got from it is that the people in the programme are prepared to leave without a deal and know that the backstop is all about, tying us too the EU.

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5 minutes ago, sanemax said:

The E.U wants a trade deal with the UK , they want to sell us their Champagne , Mercedes Benz , Swiss watches and chocolate , Stella and Kronemberg , Armani and Versace and all the other things that we buy from them , we are a huge market to other E.U Countries and we have no need to beg for anything 

Still the 'they need us more than we need them' nonsense. Some people never learn.

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21 minutes ago, sanemax said:

The E.U wants a trade deal with the UK , they want to sell us their Champagne , Mercedes Benz , Swiss watches and chocolate , Stella and Kronemberg , Armani and Versace and all the other things that we buy from them , we are a huge market to other E.U Countries and we have no need to beg for anything 

The UK is currently in the EU.

 

The ‘no deal’ Brexit many here are more than pleased to see the UK end up with will leave the UK begging for trade deals.

 

Enjoy.

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10 minutes ago, whatsupdoc said:

Still the 'they need us more than we need them' nonsense. Some people never learn.

If we buy more than we sell from any given country, it can be argued that that country needs us more than we need them, but for argument's sake, why don't we just say "we need each other", as i think that fairly accurately reflects the situation, doesn't it?

 

Stating however that the UK will have to "go begging for trade deals", is the real nonsense here. You might expect this sort of trash talking from people who aren't Brits, as talking down another country could be regarded as another way of talking your own country up, but when it is coming from Brits themselves, belittling and talking down their own country, it shows why the country is in the mess it is in. Desperate EU fanatics putting remaining in the EU above all else.

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1 hour ago, Loiner said:


The whole of the CU is about tariffs. Isn’t that what Remainers like? Or do you still think the EU is only about going through the same immigration lane on your holidays?

Tariffs are always there, unless negotiated otherwise. The importance of UK having our own tariffs is that we can decide exactly what they are, to suit or national interests. Tariffs imposed by the EU bloc have proved to be not always in the UK’s interest.

When we Leave we can have zero tariff on imported foods and clothing, if we decide. I’d happily impose tariffs on all new Landrovers produced in the EU. Same punitive tariffs on all products previously manufactured in UK factories that are now imported from cheap labour EU countries.




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Suggest you go read a few ‘free’ trade agreements elsewhere and the look at the effectiveness of their implementation. 

 

A new term you are going to learn: ‘non tariff barriers’.

 

So you giving up frictionless access to one of the biggest and most developed markets in the world (not to mention the trading leverage that comes with it), to get the equivalent of 30% of that access back from other markets via extended and unnatural supply chains. And which will take you 10 years at a minimum to negotiate that access, if you are lucky. 

 

But hey, blue passports. So it must be worth it. 

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9 minutes ago, rixalex said:

If we buy more than we sell from any given country, it can be argued that that country needs us more than we need them, but for argument's sake, why don't we just say "we need each other", as i think that fairly accurately reflects the situation, doesn't it?

 

Stating however that the UK will have to "go begging for trade deals", is the real nonsense here. You might expect this sort of trash talking from people who aren't Brits, as talking down another country could be regarded as another way of talking your own country up, but when it is coming from Brits themselves, belittling and talking down their own country, it shows why the country is in the mess it is in. Desperate EU fanatics putting remaining in the EU above all else.

So you don’t like the hard fact that a ‘no deal’ Brexit would leave the UK without any international trade deals and that in such a position the UK would be extremely vulnerable in the trade deals the UK must then rush through.

 

Desperate to cap-in-Hand begging is not an attack on or talking down the UK, it is a recognition of the extremely weak position a no deal Brexit places the UK.

 

And the UK is in this mess because People voted for Brexit, they own the mess it has nothing to do with Remain supporters.

 

Argue with that and less of your emotive nonsense.

 

 

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44 minutes ago, sanemax said:

The E.U wants a trade deal with the UK , they want to sell us their Champagne , Mercedes Benz , Swiss watches and chocolate , Stella and Kronemberg , Armani and Versace and all the other things that we buy from them , we are a huge market to other E.U Countries and we have no need to beg for anything 

Yes, cause all your LSE and Oxbridge trained economists at HM Treasury are going to turn themselves into hairy anti-free traders overnight and put up tariffs.

 

Trade economics 101 (for these chaps at least). You lower your tariffs even though the other guys aren’t to maximize economic benefit for your own country.

 

The UK is going to let all these products in anyway, trade deal or not. 

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7 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

So you don’t like the hard fact that a ‘no deal’ Brexit would leave the UK without any international trade deals and that in such a position the UK would be extremely vulnerable in the trade deals the UK must then rush through.

 

Desperate to cap-in-Hand begging is not an attack on or talking down the UK, it is a recognition of the extremely weak position a no deal Brexit places the UK.

 

And the UK is in this mess because People voted for Brexit, they own the mess it has nothing to do with Remain supporters.

 

Argue with that and less of your emotive nonsense.

 

 

I agree there would be pressure on negotiators to buckle down and sort out deals ASAP, but i don't agree it would be to the point of Britain having to "go begging for deals", and maybe having a bit of urgency might not be such a bad thing for focusing minds and getting on with things. I think this simply comes down to how much confidence and belief you have in the country and how much you don't.

 

UK is not in the mess it is in because people voted to leave. The politicians were the ones who decided that they would turn the decision over to the people. The politicians should have prepared for the vote going either way. They didn't. They prepared only for the vote going the way they wanted it to. It didn't, and ever since, they, or at least most of them, have been trying to find ways of getting out of following through on what they promised, cheered on and encouraged by remainers in the media and in the public, like you. Remainers have been behind this mess from start to finish.

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The UK is going to let all these products in anyway, trade deal or not. 

Glad you’ve eventually realised that. Please tell all your Remainer mates that trade with the EU will not stop, and the sky will not fall in.

Tariffs on those products? Well that depends on the EU reaction to our exports to them. Better sort it all out quickly now.


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16 minutes ago, Loiner said:


Glad you’ve eventually realised that. Please tell all your Remainer mates that trade with the EU will not stop, and the sky will not fall in.

Tariffs on those products? Well that depends on the EU reaction to our exports to them. Better sort it all out quickly now.


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Oh dear. The UK is going to let all the stuff in anyway. It’s basic economics for a country like the UK which is out on its own. 

 

The EU isn’t. They’ve got leverage. You want a FTA like Canada does with the EU? Good, get in line and take the 10 years which it took Canada. Australia has still been waiting after a similar amount of time. 

 

That’s right, 10 years to negotiate a sub standard trade deal to the one you already have. 

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41 minutes ago, samran said:

Suggest you go read a few ‘free’ trade agreements elsewhere and the look at the effectiveness of their implementation. 

 

A new term you are going to learn: ‘non tariff barriers’.

 

So you giving up frictionless access to one of the biggest and most developed markets in the world (not to mention the trading leverage that comes with it), to get the equivalent of 30% of that access back from other markets via extended and unnatural supply chains. And which will take you 10 years at a minimum to negotiate that access, if you are lucky. 

 

But hey, blue passports. So it must be worth it. 

We're only 'giving up' a parasitic dictatorship. If the EU was as wonderful as the other side would have us believe we would gladly have stayed.

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