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56 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

 

Perhaps you can name one socialist country that really works?

 

Even the Scandinavians who managed to to make mild socialism work by avoiding so much human greed have started to stutter thanks to their open borders and attempts at being welcoming to immigrants who detest their hosts and want to impose their own crap society.

 

Socialism, like communism, is a theory that when put into practice fails - due to those lovely human traits of greed, arrogance, vanity, stupidity, envy and hypocrisy.

 

Capitalism may not be perfect, may favor the wealthy, but has been more successful and hasn't had to resort to the enslavement and forced indoctrination so often seen in leftist countries.

Israel would not even exist today without being very very socialist in her earlier decades. But now they are capitalist and the transition was made successfully. So yes socialism can work and work excellently in certain stages of a nation's development as but one example. 

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2 hours ago, AgMech Cowboy said:

They should have been wearing scarlet red in remembrance of babies they'll be killing in NY and similar states that have approved the trimester abortion laws. Plus none of those women have enough virtue to wear white.

Did someone say red?

 

 

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22 hours ago, geriatrickid said:

Roosevelt: New Deal

Eisenhower:  Continued New Deal Agencies, expanded social security, support for science education that laid the foundation for the USA's hitech/biotech excellence.

Kennedy: Civil Rights Act, loosened monetary policy which made home ownership affordable.

Johnson; Voting Rights Act, support of the Space Program which created   well paying jobs for tens of thousands of Americans and bolstered the USA's strength in the hitech & transportation sector.

Nixon; Clean Air Act which benefited those who lived in heavy polluting factory  towns and cities,  created OSHA which protected workers from unsafe workplaces.

 

All of the above signature legislation required the input, assistance and agreement of the US Congress.

I am leaving off the more recent  politicians because people will just nitpick. However, the point here is that the USA despite political fights still manages to get things done and to enact legislation that benefits everyone.

 

 

Apologies, I should have included "these days" with my post. The last one you mention, Nixon, was a president of the 70s, about 40 years ago . Since the turn of the century, it's all ( IMO ) for the rich and the greedies. 

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18 hours ago, Jingthing said:

But now they are capitalist and the transition was made successfully

Given millions of people want to wipe Israel off the face of the earth, I can't see where "successfully" fits the narrative.

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19 hours ago, Baerboxer said:

 

Perhaps you can name one socialist country that really works?

 

Even the Scandinavians who managed to to make mild socialism work by avoiding so much human greed have started to stutter thanks to their open borders and attempts at being welcoming to immigrants who detest their hosts and want to impose their own crap society.

 

Socialism, like communism, is a theory that when put into practice fails - due to those lovely human traits of greed, arrogance, vanity, stupidity, envy and hypocrisy.

 

Capitalism may not be perfect, may favor the wealthy, but has been more successful and hasn't had to resort to the enslavement and forced indoctrination so often seen in leftist countries.

IMO there has never been a true "socialist" country in existence, so it isn't possible to name one. Most countries with socialist in their title are anything but.

I did once live in a real socialist community, and it worked, but it was small, and didn't have loads of people who wanted other people to work for them so they could do sod all.

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Indeed they will, but I can't think of a single politician in the past decade that did anything worth while for the people that aren't rich or greedy.

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19 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Capitalism may not be perfect, may favor the wealthy, but has been more successful and hasn't had to resort to the enslavement and forced indoctrination so often seen in leftist countries.

Really! 

Capitalism has led to the virtual enslavement of millions of poor people in 3rd world countries making cheap stuff for people in capitalist countries. The capitalists just transferred slavery from their own countries to poor countries.

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On 2/8/2019 at 8:05 AM, impulse said:

 

Great post, but you forgot to mention FDR pulling in a bunch of his rich cronies, telling them "you broke the economy, now you're going to pay for it" and slapping them with 90% tax rate.  (They agreed when he threatened them with a 100% incremental tax rate if they didn't)  A rich guy, taxing the rich.  That took juevos.

 

The USA thrived for the next 40 or 50 years, until Reagan started dropping the top tax rates.  Since then, it's been a downhill slide, especially for the 99%.  Trickle down economics looks a lot like the 99% getting pissed on.

 

 

didn't kennedy propose the same things?

 

His initial plan called for a $13.5 billion tax cut through a reduction of the top incometax rate from 91% to 65%, reduction of the bottom rate from 20% to 14%, and a reduction in the corporate tax rate from 52% to 47%. The first attempt at passing the tax cuts was rejected by Congress in 1963.

 

then lbj put in this the folowing year:

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revenue_Act_of_1964

 

things under carter were horrible as far as economics go.

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