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EU rebuffs May, says no-plan Brexiteers deserve 'place in hell'

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6 minutes ago, rixalex said:

"The same way you can get May out of office".

 

The way i can get May out of office is to vote for a party that doesn't have her as leader. Tell me how i can get Juncker out of office? Try to be a little more specific than, "through means of representative democracy", if you can.

 

Alternatively just be honest for a change and admit that the British electorate is powerless to remove him from office. You know. I know it. Everyone knows it. Why lie?

Same old nonsense again and again.

Juncker is voted in by the MEP's. And you could vote for a MEP.

So the British electorate (together with the electorate of the EU27) did (and still does) have influence on who is the EU president.

 

http://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/faq/8/how-are-the-commission-president-and-commissioners-appointed

 

And the MEP's can send the commission and Juncker home:

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-30106491

 

Why are Brexiteers always complaining that the EU is undemocratic and that its leaders are unelected?

Is it that they never bother to google the facts but just listen to the bloke on the barstool next to them????

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Of course there is no Plan because Treason May never had any intention of us leaving the EUSSR.

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1 hour ago, Spidey said:

Looks like you are going to get your wish after all. Donald Tusk has just offered May a lifeline. Come back with the proposals that Corbyn has offered and we may have a deal. May bit his hand off.

 

So that's remain in the CM/CU, which would mean allowing the free movement of people in Europe, and continuing to impose EU legislation on workers rights, Health and Safety law etc.

 

Sounds good to me. Now remind me, just why did you Luddites want to leave the EU?

 

I am not a Luddite...... a cheap insult befitting your posts..

 

We won the vote to leave to take back control. I have absolutely no  issue in benefitting from some of the good legislation on workers rights etc - but now it will be OUR legislation..... nice work by Corbyn to use the term ‘not worse off’

 

Freedom of movement is already guaranteed for those who currently enjoy it.

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17 minutes ago, whatsupdoc said:

Same old nonsense again and again.

Juncker is voted in by the MEP's. And you could vote for a MEP.

So the British electorate (together with the electorate of the EU27) did (and still does) have influence on who is the EU president.

 

http://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/faq/8/how-are-the-commission-president-and-commissioners-appointed

 

And the MEP's can send the commission and Juncker home:

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-30106491

 

Why are Brexiteers always complaining that the EU is undemocratic and that its leaders are unelected?

Is it that they never bother to google the facts but just listen to the bloke on the barstool next to them????

Elected or unelected, it would appear that nobody wanted the walking disaster.

 

To understand Juncker's improbable rise, it is necessary to go back to the 2009 Lisbon Treaty. The former Luxembourg prime minister landed the job by an overwhelming majority because national leaders sleepwalked into a trap laid by federalist schemers in the European parliament and could not summon the will to do anything about it, just as they appear to have overlooked reading the fine print of the legal text that governs Europe.

A catalogue of complacency, negligence, miscalculation and manoeuvring by national leaders over the past nine months conspired to deliver an outcome no one really wanted – Jean-Claude Juncker, Europe's accidental president.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jun/27/eu-democratic-bandwagon-juncker-president-wanted

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2 hours ago, rixalex said:

What are you going on about?

 

I have explained how the British public can get May out of office. Please explain by what means the British public can get Juncker out?

Omg.

The britisch public Can Not vote out Junker alone. If Junker got the majority of the other members of the European parliament of the other 27 states. The EU is the voluntary association of sovereign states with the aim of promoting and securing the prosperity of all its members. All EU decisions are always compromises of all 28 member States. The national egotistical anguish is not so much in demand there.

The world is not rotating around the UK alone. 

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On ‎2‎/‎7‎/‎2019 at 8:14 AM, steve187 said:

3 years almost! A deal could have been thrashed out as soon as the referendum result was known. A few meetings and some video conferencing should have had a deal thrashed out in a short period of time. If nothing could be agreed within say 6 months, then we should have walked away, we would be 2 years down the road to a recovery and new trade deals, with decent trading partners not the grater Eu federation pi** takers



What an absolutely naïve statement. You have obviously never negotiated anything more complex than a bar fine.

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6 minutes ago, brucec64 said:

What an absolutely naïve statement. You have obviously never negotiated anything more complex than a bar fine.

Sounds like the voice of experience. 😊 

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16 hours ago, Grouse said:

What a lad! Brilliant!

 

Reet Yorkshire analysis!

He started of quite well, but as soon as he said the word 'unicorns' I switched off. Pity he brought it down to playground level rather than keeping it objective. 

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5 hours ago, Spidey said:

Looks like you are going to get your wish after all. Donald Tusk has just offered May a lifeline. Come back with the proposals that Corbyn has offered and we may have a deal. May bit his hand off.

 

So that's remain in the CM/CU, which would mean allowing the free movement of people in Europe, and continuing to impose EU legislation on workers rights, Health and Safety law etc.

 

Sounds good to me. Now remind me, just why did you Luddites want to leave the EU?

Corbyn's plan makes no sense at all. I heard from one of his cabinet ministers that they believe they can have SM/CU and still make trade deals independently. 

 

All he is doing is putting forward impossible proposals and conditions that will never be passed, just to get a shot at No.10

 

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3 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said:

Corbyn's plan makes no sense at all. I heard from one of his cabinet ministers that they believe they can have SM/CU and still make trade deals independently. 

 

All he is doing is putting forward impossible proposals and conditions that will never be passed, just to get a shot at No.10

 

The EU seemed to like them. Donald Tusk was well impressed. No "special place in hell" for Jeremy.

 

Unfortunately, I don't think that it's got a chance in hell of getting through parliament.

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28 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said:

He started of quite well, but as soon as he said the word 'unicorns' I switched off. Pity he brought it down to playground level rather than keeping it objective. 

It's worth persevering! I can't abide crap metaphors either 🙂

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29 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said:

Corbyn's plan makes no sense at all. I heard from one of his cabinet ministers that they believe they can have SM/CU and still make trade deals independently. 

 

All he is doing is putting forward impossible proposals and conditions that will never be passed, just to get a shot at No.10

 

That Labour - Mission Impossible - they will need Tom Cruise to get into No.10.

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13 minutes ago, Grouse said:

It's worth persevering! I can't abide crap metaphors either 🙂

Ok, I tried. I made it to just over 5 minutes. Following the unicorns comment we get:

 

'Brainless David Davis'

'No Brexiteer has a plan'

'Not a single post-Brexit plan anywhere'

 

I quit listening after that. Sweeping, unfounded and and offensive statements. He just sounds like a James O'Brien clone. 

 

I can understand remainers enjoying the video, because it plays to their tune. 

 

 

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My foremost thought is to ensure the average people / average nuclear/ average nonnuclear families must have the decent of their living earning and they should continue to co-operate with the rest of Europe. Their working rights and their benefit rights should be protected first regardless whatever the outcome of Brexit will be or revoking A50.      

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