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EU rebuffs May, says no-plan Brexiteers deserve 'place in hell'

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5 hours ago, Spidey said:

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Unfortunately, if you ain't in the club, you don't get a vote. Which is why I've always maintained that it would be better to remain than leave. It's far better to be inside the tent pissing out than outside the tent pissing in. I'm very disappointed in the British electorate, I always saw us as a nation that stayed and fought rather than ran and hid.

I wouldn’t be surprised if, by now, many in the EU would look at British Membership as being inside the tent and pissing in it..........

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3 hours ago, wayned said:

Maybe Teresa May and Donald Trump should get married and go help out Nicolas Maduro in Venezuela!=, or start there own country in Antarctica ruling penguins and seals!  Neither one are fit for their current positions!

undesirable relationship - no future

they have way too many personality traits in common that are best hidden

 

 

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9 minutes ago, damascase said:

I wouldn’t be surprised if, by now, many in the EU would look at British Membership as being inside the tent and pissing in it..........

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6 hours ago, Spidey said:

No, remainers, quite rightly, stated that Junker could be removed by European voters in the same way that May could be removed by British voters.

 

Unfortunately, if you ain't in the club, you don't get a vote. Which is why I've always maintained that it would be better to remain than leave. It's far better to be inside the tent pissing out than outside the tent pissing in. I'm very disappointed in the British electorate, I always saw us as a nation that stayed and fought rather than ran and hid.

More cods - Cameron couldn't even block him when he was "proposed" - the UK was winning very little in the EU. We'll be bigger winners away from Club Corrupt.

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4 hours ago, rixalex said:

Secondly, they are relying on their MEP being able to win the support of the MEPs from 27 other nations, and seriously, what is the chance of that?

 

That's democracy. You either want democracy or you don't. Make your mind up.

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4 hours ago, rixalex said:

Spidey claiming Juncker could be removed in the same way as May.

 

As stated, if no MEPs are campaigning to remove him, what does the voter do then? Can you name any MEPs who have pledged to remove him?

Nigel Farage.

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1 hour ago, evadgib said:

Somewhat mute, given they're all British 😎

As we are all Europeans.

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1 hour ago, Nigel Garvie said:

I was very surprised that this somewhat unedifying dispute carried on after the above post clearly answers the question.

Addressing this to the leavers who are animated by this dispute, let me try a slightly different way. Forgetting distortions bought about by FPTP etc, your vote has an impact directly proportional to the number of people voting. If you are voting for the election of a new village bowling club treasurer it may have a big weight, less so in council elections, less so in UK elections, less so again in EU elections. No one with half a brain is disputing that your vote has less impact in EU elections than in UK elections, the contention was - as I understood it -  that the method of voting is essentially the same. It is democracy but on a larger scale. Surely it is hard to argue with that, it should be self evident.

 

No argument with that except that the versions and definitions of "democracy" are rather different in the EU, compared to the UK. Each vote for MEP's has far less direct effect on the final proposal/selection of those who take the main positions of power in the EU than those in the UK. The power and effect of the people's individual votes is much less in the EU.

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21 minutes ago, Spidey said:

As we are all Europeans.

Which won't stop on 29 March and has no bearing on my point.

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"Hell is where the cooks are British, the police are German, the mechanics are French, the lovers are Belgian,  everything is organized by the Italians and your permanent dinner table companions are senior EU political figures..."

 

If I may paraphrase an old joke!

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7 hours ago, Laughing Gravy said:

it is simply not true. Boris went for the job and knew he wouldn't get the required votes to win, knowing many in his party are remainers. History has shown that to be true.

Cowards. Where is your evidence for that?:coffee1: Gove a back stabber for sure.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/30/boris-johnson-rules-himself-out-of-tory-leadership-race-brexit-eu-referendum

Gove stabbed Johnson in the back, for sure; then chickened out and withdrew.

 

Johnson gave a convincing argument for his withdrawal. Very much like the convincing argument he gave for Remain, before deciding supporting Leave was more politically advantageous for him!

 

Now he is saying that he regrets his withdrawal; Boris Johnson says he regrets quitting 2016 Tory leadership race. Note he refused to comment on his real reason for withdrawing:

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Asked whether the lack of sufficient support was his reason for “bottling” the race, Johnson said: “There is no point crying over spilt milk. The key point is to get on and look at where we are today, and there is no vacancy today.”

 

The real reason for his losing his bottle is clear to anyone with half a brain who has paid any attention at all to his career. We will either leave with May's deal, or no deal (unless Parliament comes to it's senses and gives the people the final say and the people base their vote on what's best for the country rather than xenophobia). Good ol' Boris can then come riding to the rescue to sort out the mess.

 

The mess he played a large part in creating when, along with his fellow Leavers, he campaigned for Leave with zero idea of what to do if Leave won!

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14 hours ago, 7by7 said:

The real reason for his losing his bottle is clear to anyone with half a brain who has paid any attention at all to his career. We will either leave with May's deal, or no deal (unless Parliament comes to it's senses and gives the people the final say and the people base their vote on what's best for the country rather than xenophobia). Good ol' Boris can then come riding to the rescue to sort out the mess.

So people voted leave are xenophobia, please you are embarrassing yourself. As people use less than half of their brains which half are you using, as you seem to be a clairvoyant.🙂

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bah bah bah
what a totally hopeless argument and discussion
if if if if - if my aunt had a pecker she would have been my uncle
 
the tool you have is your vote
can be used against Tory May in UK
can be used against Juncker in EP
 
What are you talking about?

How exactly can I vote against Juncker if no MEPs are calling for him to be removed?

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Nigel Farage.
When has Nigel Farage pledged to remove Juncker? Nigel Farage wants no part of the EU. I don't imagine he cares that much who is President of a club he wants out of. The question remains, who can I vote for if I want Juncker out of office?

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