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1 minute ago, samran said:

I think you are right. He is also working to stamp out any residual sympathy that might exist for the UK within the EU.

 

Now you’ll be treated like outsiders, and given everything that goes with it. 

I lost interest in clowns when I was 10 years old, watching Tusk Juncker and Verstadt performing their act does nothing for me now. The sooner we leave the big top the better.

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32 minutes ago, vogie said:

Please expand, but I still think you are deflecting somewhat. So are you saying his insults are warranted?

I don’t hold the view that Tusk has insulted anyone.

 

Insults dishes out by Johnson and Farage are a matter of public record.

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Tusk is most probably peed off with the British government's inability to find any consensus, and especially May who continues to ignore parliament to crash out on 29 March, whatever. That is a totally irresponsible course of action, and I hope parliament take over the implementation by forcing the government to extend the time limit, although I doubt it would do any good while this government is in power.

 

If only Labour had a leader instead of Corbyn, it could have been a different story, albeit the UK will still stay divided on Brexit for generations, IMO. 

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3 minutes ago, vogie said:

I lost interest in clowns when I was 10 years old, watching Tusk Juncker and Verstadt performing their act does nothing for me now. The sooner we leave the big top the better.

I'd prefer them over BoJo, David Davis, Chris Gayling, JRM......

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39 minutes ago, vogie said:

What a fine statesman Tusk is, if he thinks insulting other nations is fine and dandy, he is wrong. He has and still is doing more for the brexit cause than Jeremy Corbyn could even dream of. He is used to getting his own way, and when he doesn't, he just cannot control himself.

 

 

Nothing could be further from the truth. Series currently running on the BBC on the 10 years leading up to Brexit.

 

Do you remember Cameron, under pressure from the Euro Sceptics, going to Brussels, cap in hand, asking for concessions on how we deal with migrants from within the EU, the big issue of the day?

 

Donald Tusk did everything he could to obtain those concessions for the UK, fighting hard to achieve the deal that meant that GB no longer needed to pay benefits for EU migrants for 7 years.

 

It's true that he fought hard to keep Britain in the EU, a cause he genuinely believed in, but did everything he could to accommodate Britain in that aim. A friend to GB, not an enemy.

 

He is now bitterly disappointed that, despite all his efforts, we still decided to leave. His vitriol is reserved for Brexiteers only and recognises that a large minority of Brits voted to stay. AS such he is still a friend to Britain.

 

One of the good guys in Europe.

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20 minutes ago, vogie said:

I lost interest in clowns when I was 10 years old, watching Tusk Juncker and Verstadt performing their act does nothing for me now. The sooner we leave the big top the better.

As i've said before re Recruiting Sgts:

 

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1 hour ago, samran said:

But but, they said it would be alright!!! It would be so simple they said! 

 

 

After we Vote Leave, we would immediately be able to start negotiating new trade deals with emerging economies and the world’s biggest economies (the US, China and Japan, as well as Canada, Australia, South Korea, New Zealand, and so on), which could enter into force immediately after the UK leaves the EU.”

 

http://www.voteleavetakecontrol.org/a_framework_for_taking_back_control_and_establishing_a_new_uk_eu_deal_after_23_june.html

you are 200% correct, was looking for that info on May's government comments about making new deals.... great one thanks

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1 hour ago, whatsupdoc said:

Very misleading headline for the article.

 

Mr Tusk said: “I’ve been wondering what a special place in hell looks like for people who promoted Brexit without even a sketch of a plan how to carry it out safely.”

 

Not the same.

who cares, the end it's the same, the meaning the same and the point was made, that's the purpose

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11 minutes ago, Spidey said:

Nothing could be further from the truth. Series currently running on the BBC on the 10 years leading up to Brexit.

 

Do you remember Cameron, under pressure from the Euro Sceptics, going to Brussels, cap in hand, asking for concessions on how we deal with migrants from within the EU, the big issue of the day?

 

Donald Tusk did everything he could to obtain those concessions for the UK, fighting hard to achieve the deal that meant that GB no longer needed to pay benefits for EU migrants for 7 years.

 

It's true that he fought hard to keep Britain in the EU, a cause he genuinely believed in, but did everything he could to accommodate Britain in that aim. A friend to GB, not an enemy.

 

He is now bitterly disappointed that, despite all his efforts, we still decided to leave. His vitriol is reserved for Brexiteers only and recognises that a large minority of Brits voted to stay. AS such he is still a friend to Britain.

 

One of the good guys in Europe.

What your post has to do with the topic is mystifying, at least 90% of it anyway. It's like somebody committing a crime, then going to court with a charactor witness to vouch for him, hoping the judge will lesson the sentence.

He insulted the majority of the UK, at the very least his remarks were very unprofessional. Even the Irish Prime Minister Varadkar told him so.

We all know that Tusk is an EU fanatic, but he should still have the ability to accept the democratic decision the UK has chosen.

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1 hour ago, Samui Bodoh said:

I imagine that the Brexiteers will condemn the man, but I think he his correct.

 

1 hour ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

But Brexiteers insist the biggest political and economical change in the UK’s history can be facilitated through closing your eyes and dreaming. 

The pathetic limpwristed and incompetent government with which the UK is currently saddled has from the very start approached the who;e matter with the intention of not actually leaving the EU. They have made no concrete proposals, rather they started the whole process by essentially agreeing to pay the EU an eye-watering sum of money. Once that was offered and accepted, they then turned their attention to arranging (not negotiating) an arrangement which effectively binds the UK to the EU permanently, with no representation or input. A vassal state, as it has been described. To nobody's surprise, it was rejected by parliament, they (the government) are the ones who have closed their eyes and are dreaming.

 

As for Tusk, and his coterie of unelected, essentially unaccountable "Presidents", Commissioners" and assorted functionaries, (who have managed to invest themselves with all the trappings and titles of a putative European Federal State), they too are party to it. They must have thought May and her government's intentions to be just the ticket. They "own" the mess to a similar extent. Tusk is perched triumphantly on top of this steaming crock of shit, proclaiming "about special places in hell" for those who don't want it. 

 

 The referendum, subsequent acts of parliament, and a general election, all determined that the UK would leave the EU. Parliament decided, absolutely constitutionally, that should happen in March 2019. This charged the government with making adequate arrangements, which parliament could pass into law. The government has failed (deliberately in my opinion), to make any sort of adequate arrangements. Tusk knew that - he must have done - just as he must have known that May's deal would not pass parliament.

 

Now, I believe that you are a Canadian, Samui Bodoh? Would you, in the context of the North American continent, (were your various trade agreements to have progressed in the way that the EU has), be happy to allow a second rate Mexican politician, for whom you cannot vote, either to put in or remove from office, pass those sort of comments, or head an organisation in which he could essentially tell Canada what it could or could not think or decide, no matter what your House of Commons or Senate decided or wished?

I'm sure you wouldn't, but that is what you are suggesting that the UK should be.

 

 

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1 hour ago, vogie said:

What a fine statesman Tusk is, if he thinks insulting other nations is fine and dandy, he is wrong. He has and still is doing more for the brexit cause than Jeremy Corbyn could even dream of. He is used to getting his own way, and when he doesn't, he just cannot control himself.

 

 

in democracy people have freedom of speech and freedom of opinion.... the man is right and he's frustrated with all the non sense from the Tories, give high 5's

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1 hour ago, whatsupdoc said:

Very misleading headline for the article.

 

Mr Tusk said: “I’ve been wondering what a special place in hell looks like for people who promoted Brexit without even a sketch of a plan how to carry it out safely.”

 

Not the same.

In these febrile times I think it essential that care is taken not to whip up hysteria. Imprecise OPs don't help

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