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25 minutes ago, Loiner said:

Those Africans Syrians and Iraqis don't arrive directly at Heathrow with visas. They come through EU countries, who appear to do little to prevent thousands of them arriving at Calais. 

 What steps the Schengen area members take to prevent refugees and non EEA national economic migrants from passing from one to another is up to them, and totally irrelevant to us in the UK.

 

Because, even if you know what the Schengen area is, you are obviously unaware that the UK is not a member!

 

It is precisely because we are not a member of the Schengen area that all those migrants stopped at Calais! If we were a Schengen member then they could have simply boarded a ferry or train and continued to the UK. But because we are not a member, they have to first pass through UK immigration or try, as many do, to enter the UK illegally.

 

Kindly explain how Brexit will change any of that.

 

32 minutes ago, Loiner said:

Merkel's million invited guests from the same sources are definitely an EU created problem. She even wanted to distribute them throughout the EU. No wonder the man in Barnsley and majority of UK voted Leave.

 

Merkel said that refugees should be allowed to stay; if they met the criteria. She encouraged other EU members to take their fair share. Would you prefer genuine refugees to be shoved back out into the Mediterranean to drown, or sent back from whence they came to be tortured or killed?

 

Remember that the problems they are fleeing were in the main created by the US and it's main EU ally; the UK.

 

The UK actually has a long history of welcoming refugees; for example the Huguenots fleeing persecution in France, Jews doing the same first from Czarist Russia and then from Nazi Germany. Many of whom spent all they had to get here.

 

The difficulty is, of course, separating the genuine refugee from the economic migrant chancer. 

 

Can you explain how Brexit will solve that conundrum?

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9 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

 What steps the Schengen area members take to prevent refugees and non EEA national economic migrants from passing from one to another is up to them, and totally irrelevant to us in the UK.

 

Because, even if you know what the Schengen area is, you are obviously unaware that the UK is not a member!

 

It is precisely because we are not a member of the Schengen area that all those migrants stopped at Calais! If we were a Schengen member then they could have simply boarded a ferry or train and continued to the UK. But because we are not a member, they have to first pass through UK immigration or try, as many do, to enter the UK illegally.

 

Kindly explain how Brexit will change any of that.

 

 

Merkel said that refugees should be allowed to stay; if they met the criteria. She encouraged other EU members to take their fair share. Would you prefer genuine refugees to be shoved back out into the Mediterranean to drown, or sent back from whence they came to be tortured or killed?

 

Remember that the problems they are fleeing were in the main created by the US and it's main EU ally; the UK.

 

The UK actually has a long history of welcoming refugees; for example the Huguenots fleeing persecution in France, Jews doing the same first from Czarist Russia and then from Nazi Germany. Many of whom spent all they had to get here.

 

The difficulty is, of course, separating the genuine refugee from the economic migrant chancer. 

 

Can you explain how Brexit will solve that conundrum?

 

dunno,

am not going to argue with you - please enjoy your time wherever you are

and do enjoy your views

 

must say though, that I find your intervention pretty far far away from today's reality

 

for UK's well being, I hope there are few like you in the UK

 

otherwise, have a Belhaven

 

 

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Merkel said that refugees should be allowed to stay; if they met the criteria. She encouraged other EU members to take their fair share. Would you prefer genuine refugees to be shoved back out into the Mediterranean to drown, or sent back from whence they came to be tortured or killed?
 
Remember that the problems they are fleeing were in the main created by the US and it's main EU ally; the UK.
 
The UK actually has a long history of welcoming refugees; for example the Huguenots fleeing persecution in France, Jews doing the same first from Czarist Russia and then from Nazi Germany. Many of whom spent all they had to get here.
 
The difficulty is, of course, separating the genuine refugee from the economic migrant chancer. 
 
Can you explain how Brexit will solve that conundrum?

For most of your sob story, that’s a whole different thread. Please deflect and throw names elsewhere. Regarding the EU:
If we are not in the EU we do not have to be allocated any of Merkel’s million.
If we are not in the EU we will never be forced to become part of Schengen. We will not be part of the ultimate free movement.


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1 hour ago, Loiner said:

Merkel's million invited guests from the same sources are definitely an EU created problem. 

Germany didn't go to war in Iraq. The UK did. When will Brexiteers start taking responsibility for their actions? 

 

 

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9 minutes ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

Germany didn't go to war in Iraq. The UK did. When will Brexiteers start taking responsibility for their actions? 

 

 

UK is, and has always been, very trigger happy, several would say an experienced aggressor,

that is one of several reasons why UK does not fit in EFTA or EU.

 

 

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3 minutes ago, melvinmelvin said:

UK is, and has always been, very trigger happy, several would say an experienced aggressor,

that is one of several reasons why UK does not fit in EFTA or EU.

 

 

You are probably quite correct there melvin, we have never been happy singing from the same song sheet.

 

Thomas Kielinger gives his perspective on it, Polish born, but now a German journalist.

 

"The EU’s reluctance to come forward with a compromise is of course rooted in the inability of Europeans to understand the existential drive behind the British wish to leave in the first place. They simply can’t conceive of their British partner, so beloved across a hugely Anglophile continent, wanting to ditch its cosy alliance for the purpose of going it alone again in the world."

 

https://www.spectator.co.uk/2019/02/europeans-cant-understand-the-existential-drive-behind-the-british-wish-to-leave-the-eu/

 

 

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7 minutes ago, vogie said:

You are probably quite correct there melvin, we have never been happy singing from the same song sheet.

 

Thomas Kielinger gives his perspective on it, Polish born, but now a German journalist.

 

"The EU’s reluctance to come forward with a compromise is of course rooted in the inability of Europeans to understand the existential drive behind the British wish to leave in the first place. They simply can’t conceive of their British partner, so beloved across a hugely Anglophile continent, wanting to ditch its cosy alliance for the purpose of going it alone again in the world."

 

https://www.spectator.co.uk/2019/02/europeans-cant-understand-the-existential-drive-behind-the-british-wish-to-leave-the-eu/

 

 

well, whatever, but

within the next month or two smth is likely to happen with that relationship

 

as always, time will show

 

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Loiner said:

If we are not in the EU we do not have to be allocated any of Merkel’s million.
If we are not in the EU we will never be forced to become part of Schengen. We will not be part of the ultimate free movement.

We haven't been allocated any of Merkel's million, as has been explained to you.

 

We weren't forced to be part of Shengen and never would be.

 

Where do you dream these things up? Been listening to Farage or Tommy Islam?

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3 hours ago, 7by7 said:

 

Do you actually live here? If not, that's probably why you don't know what a large part of Leave's referendum campaigning consisted of; or maybe you do live here but have simply chosen to ignore it.

 

A significant part of the leave campaign, both the official one and Farage's unofficial one, was about how those nasty foreigners across the channel, especially the Germans, tell us what to do and leaving the EU would mean taking our sovereignty back from said foreigners. 

 

In addition, there was the raft of anti immigration propaganda from both campaigns; Farage's being more blatant than the official campaign's, but there in both.

 

Are you really saying that none of this xenophobic campaigning had any effect? Really? Had you been in the UK and/or paying attention at the time you would know that this man was far from alone in his reason for voting Leave.

 

 

I assume you know enough to realise that all this actually has nothing to do with the EU!

 

In the two years plus since the referendum, the real pros and cons of EU membership have been discussed ad nauseum in the UK media.  The fact that no one in the Leave campaign had any idea about how to continue trading with our largest partner, the EU, let alone the rest of the world most of whom we traded with via agreements made with the EU, should we leave pretty quickly became obvious. The UK public are far more educated on the realities of Remain and Leave; although there are doubtless still those like the above man whose xenophobia is so strong that they will once again ignore the real issues should Parliament take the democratic option of giving the people the final say.

 

 

 

 

You don't have play the victim and racist card which I find a weak argument and offensive. I will reply properly tomorrow.

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Germany didn't go to war in Iraq. The UK did. When will Brexiteers start taking responsibility for their actions? 
 
 

LMFAO
There must be some warped and twisted logic in there somewhere. Then again maybe not, given the poster.
How and why could anyone believe Brexiteers are responsible for war in Iraq? What kind of Brexiteer action could have forced hoards of Iraqi young male scroungers to abandon their women and children, to walk to Germany?


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We haven't been allocated any of Merkel's million, as has been explained to you.
 
We weren't forced to be part of Shengen and never would be.
 
Where do you dream these things up? Been listening to Farage or Tommy Islam?

And so long as we Leave the EU, we never will be.
Just making sure!


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46 minutes ago, Loiner said:


LMFAO
There must be some warped and twisted logic in there somewhere. Then again maybe not, given the poster.
How and why could anyone believe Brexiteers are responsible for war in Iraq? What kind of Brexiteer action could have forced hoards of Iraqi young male scroungers to abandon their women and children, to walk to Germany?

You can take responsibility for something that your country has done. Germans still do it regarding the Holocaust. You do the opposite; you try to blame Merkel for something that was caused by the UK (and others) when she wasn’t even in charge of anything. And since I haven’t heard this from remainers but only from Brexiteers, I am asking when Brexiteers will start to take responsibility. 

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11 minutes ago, tebee said:

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I'll give PM TM this

she is not one to easily give in, fairly persistent she is

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13 hours ago, 7by7 said:

 

Do you actually live here? If not, that's probably why you don't know what a large part of Leave's referendum campaigning consisted of; or maybe you do live here but have simply chosen to ignore it.

 

A significant part of the leave campaign, both the official one and Farage's unofficial one, was about how those nasty foreigners across the channel, especially the Germans, tell us what to do and leaving the EU would mean taking our sovereignty back from said foreigners. 

 

In addition, there was the raft of anti immigration propaganda from both campaigns; Farage's being more blatant than the official campaign's, but there in both.

 

Are you really saying that none of this xenophobic campaigning had any effect? Really? Had you been in the UK and/or paying attention at the time you would know that this man was far from alone in his reason for voting Leave.

 

 

I assume you know enough to realise that all this actually has nothing to do with the EU!

 

In the two years plus since the referendum, the real pros and cons of EU membership have been discussed ad nauseum in the UK media.  The fact that no one in the Leave campaign had any idea about how to continue trading with our largest partner, the EU, let alone the rest of the world most of whom we traded with via agreements made with the EU, should we leave pretty quickly became obvious. The UK public are far more educated on the realities of Remain and Leave; although there are doubtless still those like the above man whose xenophobia is so strong that they will once again ignore the real issues should Parliament take the democratic option of giving the people the final say.

 

 

 

 

Same old rhetoric. People didn't know what they voted for. They are uneducated. It was about immigration. It would seem all justifications for some posters to say you were wrong. Lets have another vote.

 

You do play the racist card at every opportunity. It doesn't matter what some people may have or may not have campaigned for. I didn't even care. i voted leave for my reasons. nothing to do with immigration although I had seen the way the UK has gone and not in a good direction IMHO.

 

i find it ironic that in a Thai forum where I assume many people live/have lived there or visit regularly know the immigration laws there.

 

I lived there for 17 years working and will live there again. In that time every year I had my qualifications checked and experience. I had to report every 90 days. I was an alien and accepted that. I didn't put my nose in Thai politics or affairs as , we can't frankly. I am was/will be a guest in a country that has dubious dealings but I accept it. If not i would leave.

 

I am married to a Thai and have been since I first went there. Hardly a racist.  As a poster you always use that. I would suggest you don't, as with religion it is a very weak and feeble argument

 

You keep arguing in the leave campaign. It is over. move on from it. the UK public are certainly more informed as a whole on how the EU operate. Educated is not the word I would use. If anyone disagrees with you they are a xenophobe. It is getting quite tedious now. Putting a video of one man and his views does not represent everyone, you seem to be copying the BBC tactic which is very transparent and very weak as an argument.

 

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