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15 minutes ago, BestB said:

Why do you insist on posting same rubbish over and over again?

 

at least a few dozen times you were shown to be incorrect by a number of people and yet you insist on repeating same nonsense over and over again.

 

you like to call them brave? Your choice , I call them stupid.

 

Only an idiot will stand in the line of fire being well aware he would be shot. Brave and smart would look for alternative or weak spots to penetrate .

Why do Palestinians and their families who were born in Israel not have the right to return to their homes?

 

Why do Israeli soldiers whose families were not born in Israel have the right to shoot these demonstrators?

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2 minutes ago, dexterm said:

Why do Palestinians and their families who were born in Israel not have the right to return to their homes?

 

Why do Israeli soldiers whose families were not born in Israel have the right to shoot these demonstrators?

Who told you they were born in

israel?  And who told you soldiers who are 18-20 years old did not come from families who were born in Israel ?

 

you telling me a 14 year old parents were born in Israel? Or he was?

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2 minutes ago, dexterm said:

Why do Palestinians and their families who were born in Israel not have the right to return to their homes?

 

Why do Israeli soldiers whose families were not born in Israel have the right to shoot these demonstrators?

Because many of the "Palestinians" supported Israeli's enemies during several wars from 1948-1974. The vast majority of Palestinians alive today were in fact not born in Israel. There are Palestinians that live peacefully as citizens of Israel. Protesters throwing "explosives" and rocks is what gives Israel the right to shoot these supposed "protesters". Although for me once you start throwing explosives you become a combatant and if you get shot it goes with the territory. 

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16 minutes ago, BestB said:

Who told you they were born in

israel?  And who told you soldiers who are 18-20 years old did not come from families who were born in Israel ?

 

you telling me a 14 year old parents were born in Israel? Or he was?

70% of the Palestinians in Gaza (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinians) either themselves or their parents or grandparents once lived on the other side of the fence in what is now Israel.

 

Gaza’s Great Return March was organized in significant measure to draw attention to the plight of Palestinian refugees, who make up around 70% of the population of the Gaza Strip.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/may/16/israel-palestine-us-news-headlines-mysterious-deaths

 

The refugees simply want to go home. The descendants of European colonizers are preventing them...pure racism.

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4 minutes ago, dexterm said:

70% of the Palestinians in Gaza (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinians) either themselves or their parents or grandparents once lived on the other side of the fence in what is now Israel.

 

Gaza’s Great Return March was organized in significant measure to draw attention to the plight of Palestinian refugees, who make up around 70% of the population of the Gaza Strip.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/may/16/israel-palestine-us-news-headlines-mysterious-deaths

 

The refugees simply want to go home. The descendants of European colonizers are preventing them...pure racism.

Well if wiki said so then it must be so

 

i once lived on the 1st street, then new developments were built so now I should be allowed to return and my grandkids as well👍

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27 minutes ago, Ahab said:

Because many of the "Palestinians" supported Israeli's enemies during several wars from 1948-1974. The vast majority of Palestinians alive today were in fact not born in Israel. There are Palestinians that live peacefully as citizens of Israel. Protesters throwing "explosives" and rocks is what gives Israel the right to shoot these supposed "protesters". Although for me once you start throwing explosives you become a combatant and if you get shot it goes with the territory. 

If a bunch of European colonizers were trying to ethnically cleanse you, who would you support?

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5 minutes ago, BestB said:

Well if wiki said so then it must be so

 

i once lived on the 1st street, then new developments were built so now I should be allowed to return and my grandkids as well👍

If the new developments were illegally built on land stolen from your family.....yes, you have the right to return there, or be acceptably compensated to enable you to build where ever you want in your homeland.

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22 minutes ago, dexterm said:

If the new developments were illegally built on land stolen from your family.....yes, you have the right to return there, or be acceptably compensated to enable you to build where ever you want in your homeland.

Only it was not illegally stolen and it was not Israel who started 3 wars and  lost 3 wars.

 

this is what happens when you go for a title fight, if you loose the fight you loose the title along with all the perks 

 

posting same nonsense over and over does not make it any less of a nonsense , just as picking particular time frame while disregarding thousands of time frames prior 

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37 minutes ago, dexterm said:

If a bunch of European colonizers were trying to ethnically cleanse you, who would you support?

If they ethnically cleansed them why do they comprise about 21% of the population of Israel, and have also been members of the Knesset since 1948 (81 members in total). Israeli's must really suck at ethnic cleansing and excluding Arabs from partaking in governing the country. 

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3 hours ago, Morch said:

 

I think that, in general, many of the tasks related to maintaining the occupation, or dealing with the Palestinians have a long term negative effect on IDF morale (and by extension Israeli society). That said, the way you put it loaded - highlighting the age, rather than actions.

 

There were injuries, for certain. Most related to IED or shots fired. Recently an IDF officer was shot by a Palestinian sniper, for example. Deaths? One, again from sniper fire.

 

Not quite sure what you're on about regarding "move back" - do you somehow imagine that the Palestinians would not move forward? They come up pretty close as it is. The in-your-face element is something the Palestinians are initiating, not the other way around. Don't see you, and others, wonder about that much.

 

The use of deadly force can be seen as over the top. As to whether there are realistic better means/ways of dealing with the situation, yet to see much by way of informed comments on these topics. Sometimes there are no good answers or solutions. It is noted, once more, that no reservations or objections are aired regarding the presence of a 14yo in such circumstances.

I assumed the killing of a 14 year old would have more negative physiological outcomes than the killing on an adult on the IDF member. I do not consider my comment as 'loaded'. Youths are involved with demonstrations, sometimes violent, worldwide, it ain't unique to Gaza, nor are they regularly shot dead by security forces.

 

By 'move back' I mean out of range from rock throwers. Not being ex military, why do the IDF have to stay within range of rock throwers, surely IDF only need to respond to actual attempted breaches of the border fence.  

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Palestinian's have rocks and sticks maybe a few sling shots against heavily armed Israeli soldiers and snipers.

What a sick joke. USA will never condemn Israeli behaviour.Palestinians should give up because they will never beat Israel and the worlds media don't care about them.

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12 minutes ago, Lucius verus said:

Palestinian's have rocks and sticks maybe a few sling shots against heavily armed Israeli soldiers and snipers.

What a sick joke. USA will never condemn Israeli behaviour.

seems you forgot the bombs and rockets, they were throwing explosives devices at them when shot, the rocks were not what started the shooting. Why would any parent let their 14 y/o go and throw rocks/explosives at the soldiers, this really shows how mentally incompetent the parents are, they tell their kids to fight Israel then whinge when their kids are killed, how stupid can you get.  

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17 minutes ago, Lucius verus said:

Palestinian's have rocks and sticks maybe a few sling shots against heavily armed Israeli soldiers and snipers.

What a sick joke. USA will never condemn Israeli behaviour.Palestinians should give up because they will never beat Israel and the worlds media don't care about them.

I agree with most of your post, but  Palestinians, who despite all the ethnic cleansing and all the Jewish immigration and colonization, are still the majority indigenous population in Palestine. All they need do is stay put, continue protesting their right of return to their homeland, and allow Israel to shame itself before the international and social media.

 

The struggle will eventually become a one man one vote civil rights issue.

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