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1 hour ago, Lucius verus said:

Palestinian's have rocks and sticks maybe a few sling shots against heavily armed Israeli soldiers and snipers.

What a sick joke. USA will never condemn Israeli behaviour.

I think the US will condemn Israeli behavior when they do something that needs to be condemned. Shooting people throwing explosives at you doesn't rise to that level. Palestinians have turned down every opportunity for a true and lasting peace, and I do not see them accepting peace at anytime in my lifetime.

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1 hour ago, dexterm said:

The formula for a permanent peace that Palestinians have agreed to umpteen times is quite simple: 
1. Right of return and/or compensation for Palestinian refugees
2. Palestinian capital in East Jerusalem
3. Two states based on 67 lines with full land swaps (Huge compromise: Israel gets to keep lands stolen 47-67) 

Palestinians have never been offered this.

 

That is the only way Israel can have an internationally recognized state with a predominantly Jewish character.

 

The protesters on the border only highlight the injustice that has been done to the indigenous Palestinian population. 

And they never will, perhaps time to make new guidelines if they want to move forward, which they seemingly do not .

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4 hours ago, sanemax said:

So, to solve the Middle East problems , Israelis just need to visit their neighbours and say "hello" , have a few beers , get a barbeque going , sit and watch the superbowl  and they will become best mates .

   Worth a try, I suppose

Get a BBQ going, probably no pork ribs on the menu. Oh and the Arabs (mostly) don't drink alcohol. Scratch that idea.

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8 hours ago, UASCB500BIKER said:

theres 20,000,000--50m Arabs around Israel. One day IT well be Gone and the World well be better off for it....I hope I live to see it !!!

So what you saying is that it’s all Jewish fault for arabs hating each other and everyone else ?

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Please stay on topic.   It's about a a shooting.   It's not about anything and everything in the Middle East.  

 

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Oh well, two potential murderers  are off to paradise to meet their virgins.

 

On 2/9/2019 at 3:29 AM, car720 said:

and rubber bullets just won't work?

Rubber bullets are not accurate at distance. In this case, the attackers were  launching deadly explosives. The deceased did have the option of not throwing explosives. They wanted to be martyrs and their wish was granted. Win win for everyone.

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1 hour ago, Galactus said:

dont work bc they dont use rubber bullets. 

and for a reason; to exterminate Palestinians intentionally and age or sex is never important.

 

LOL. The arabs have a head start with their high incidence of smoking related respiratory and heart disease. The high incidence of morbid obesity with the complications of diabetes, kidney disease and heart disease doesn't help.  Not to worry though. With one of the highest fertility rates in the world and a dictatorship which discourages birth control and family planning,  replacement terrorists are produced faster than they can blow themselves up. 

Mind you, with the rampant obesity and heavy use of cigarettes, I expect that the chronic attacks on the border may work itself out as a bunch of tubbies waddling towards the border, gasping for air, is not conducive to an effective attack. These folks are so fat now, they have to rely on kids to build and operate many of the  smuggling  and attack tunnels as the adults  are to fat to fit in them now.

 

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On 2/11/2019 at 2:44 PM, geriatrickid said:

Oh well, two potential murderers  are off to paradise to meet their virgins.

 

Rubber bullets are not accurate at distance. In this case, the attackers were  launching deadly explosives. The deceased did have the option of not throwing explosives. They wanted to be martyrs and their wish was granted. Win win for everyone.

From an Israeli report of the killings...

 

“They are hurling rocks at troops and towards the security fence, as well as a number of explosive devices that did not cross the fence,” a spokesman said.

 

https://www.timesofisrael.com/palestinians-say-14-year-old-shot-and-killed-in-gaza-border-protest/

 

One youth was shot in the chest, the other in the neck, so one can conclude "shoot to kill" policy of youths who were not an immediate threat to IDF members.

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On 2/10/2019 at 9:57 AM, car720 said:

if you expect to hear my voice again and again then you are correct.  I am but one voice of conscience but I intend to use it wherever I encounter injustice.  It is my duty.  What prompts any person to fight against an invader on their own soil.  Any military man knows that a people will always fight their most aggresively when they are oppressed on their own soil.  Ask the Japanese.

 

The "voice of conscience", no less. Not that vocal when closer to home (China, Thailand) issues are up, and even recall you commenting on advising the Mrs. about taking care commenting on such issues on social media. Guess, then, the self-pat-on-the-back thing is more a matter of convenience and prejudice, rather than "duty".

 

Being a person of such high morals - how do your feel about a regime which not only does little to prevent minors from participating in such protests, but actively promoting such?

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On 2/10/2019 at 10:00 AM, dexterm said:

OP. "Palestinians say the weekly protests are led by civil society groups demanding an easing of the blockade and recognition of their right to return to homes in Israel."

 

Palestinians have a right to demonstrate for their right of return to Israel from which they have been ethnically cleansed by mainly European colonizers, and not allowed to return to their land and homes. That's a war crime. As is using live ammunition to prevent that return.

 

The reason they are not allowed to return is pure racism.

 

The demonstrators are far braver to stand up for their rights than the heavily armed IDF snipers entrenched behind 2 rows of steel fencing and ditch.

 

I would doubt that the Palestinians have a carte-blanche for violence such as you issue. Same goes for the faux expectation that said violence will not be answered in kind.

 

Same goes for your routine pronouncement on matters of international law. The Palestinians do not actually have a carte-blanche, unconditional "right of return". And using live ammunition is not necessarily a "war crime", especially given the character of said protests.

 

 

 

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On 2/10/2019 at 2:31 PM, dexterm said:

The formula for a permanent peace that Palestinians have agreed to umpteen times is quite simple: 
1. Right of return and/or compensation for Palestinian refugees
2. Palestinian capital in East Jerusalem
3. Two states based on 67 lines with full land swaps (Huge compromise: Israel gets to keep lands stolen 47-67) 

Palestinians have never been offered this.

 

That is the only way Israel can have an internationally recognized state with a predominantly Jewish character.

 

The protesters on the border only highlight the injustice that has been done to the indigenous Palestinian population. 

 

That would be your standard issue one-sided, misleading presentation. There were, in fact, negotiations and talks which pretty much amount to the above. Whether or not they stood a realistic chance of coming through is another matter. But that aside - there wasn't a general acceptance of such terms by the Palestinians, nor are the Palestinians in the habit of initiating such offers themselves. The Palestinians aren't more ready-and-willing than the Israelis, regardless of your efforts to paint a different picture.

 

And whether you like it or not, Israel is an internationally recognized state. Considering you routinely object to the country having a "predominantly Jewish character", regardless of anything makes this bit bizarre.

 

 

 

 

 

There was, at no time, a general acceptance of this "formula" by the Palestinians, or a general rejection of it by Israelis.

 

 

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