TallGuyJohninBKK Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 2 hours ago, mogandave said: “La Monita” at Paragon has beef, beans and more “authentic” Mexican food if that is what one was expecting at Taco Bell. La Monita's fine, albeit, usually more expensive at their Paragon branch than their original Ploenchit branch. But regarding Taco Thailand, I wasn't expecting "authentic" Mexican food, because that's not what even Taco Bell in the U.S. does. Here in Thailand, I was ONLY expecting "authentic" Taco Bell food, and sadly thus far, Taco Thailand hasn't gotten very close to that as yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellowtail Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 2 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said: La Monita's fine, albeit, usually more expensive at their Paragon branch than their original Ploenchit branch. But regarding Taco Thailand, I wasn't expecting "authentic" Mexican food, because that's not what even Taco Bell in the U.S. does. Here in Thailand, I was ONLY expecting "authentic" Taco Bell food, and sadly thus far, Taco Thailand hasn't gotten very close to that as yet. You (apparently) haven't even tried it, yet you claim to know what it is and is not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TallGuyJohninBKK Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 1 minute ago, Yellowtail said: You (apparently) haven't even tried it, yet you claim to know what it is and is not. It's NOT beef and NOT beans, as I and everyone else here knows by now... In my book, that makes it Taco Thailand, not Taco Bell.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TallGuyJohninBKK Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 On 2/13/2019 at 9:09 AM, fforest1 said: That was the worst social media massacre I have ever seen a company receive on the internet...... Couldn't have said it better myself. Agree 100%... Amazing... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TallGuyJohninBKK Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 On 2/13/2019 at 9:21 AM, fforest1 said: I just dont get the no bean thing.....Beans are the cheapest ingredient in Mexican food....A whole lot cheaper than chicken, pork, sour cream, avocados etc.... Its not rocket science cheaper food ingredients = higher profits Yes, but they did "market research"... extensive "market research" to ensure they knew exactly what Thais wanted... Perhaps next time, they ought to hire a market research firm or consultant that has some clue of what they're doing and what customers (Thai and farang alike) are going to expect a Taco Bell to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellowtail Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 5 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said: It's NOT beef and NOT beans, as I and everyone else here knows by now... In my book, that makes it Taco Thailand, not Taco Bell.... You should tell them, or better, go on trip advisor and trash them without ever going. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellowtail Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 2 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said: Yes, but they did "market research"... extensive "market research" to ensure they knew exactly what Thais wanted... Perhaps next time, they ought to hire a market research firm or consultant that has some clue of what they're doing and what customers (Thai and farang alike) are going to expect a Taco Bell to be. Yes, hire a firm that will restructure their product offering because some old expat that represents (probably) less than half a percent of their potential market refuses to try it. It's brilliant! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TallGuyJohninBKK Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 Just now, Yellowtail said: Yes, hire a firm that will restructure their product offering because some old expat that represents (probably) less than half a percent of their potential market refuses to try it. It's brilliant! You're just being ignorant. If you read the TT Facebook page, you'll clearly find more Thais complaining about the lack of beef and beans than farangs. This issue isn't and wasn't a Thai market vs farang market thing. And you're wrong to believe it is/was. It was a, people who went to the Chidlom outlet expected it to be a Taco Bell, and instead, they got something else and something lackingly different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellowtail Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 9 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said: You're just being ignorant. Name calling, you're just too clever for me... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nyezhov Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 2 hours ago, mogandave said: “La Monita” at Paragon has beef, beans and more “authentic” Mexican food if that is what one was expecting at Taco Bell. I dont go to Taco Bell much any more. But in my mind, Taco Bell is a place where you roll up to the window totally baked and order a whole bunch of random stuff that you expect will just taste so good as you ride home beard sauced and stuffing your gob whilst listening to Buxtehude at full volume. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TallGuyJohninBKK Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 4 minutes ago, Yellowtail said: Name calling, you're just too clever for me... I meant it literally, not pejoratively. You were making a claim, but clearly had not bothered to see the very clear and public evidence that refutes the claim you were making. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mogandave Posted February 14, 2019 Author Share Posted February 14, 2019 I meant it literally, not pejoratively. You were making a claim, but clearly had not bothered to see the very clear and public evidence that refutes the claim you were making. What was I claiming that was not true? How much of the market do guys like us represent? Have you actually tried it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TallGuyJohninBKK Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 1 minute ago, mogandave said: What was I claiming that was not true? How much of the market do guys like us represent? Have you actually tried it? 1 minute ago, mogandave said: What was I claiming that was not true? How much of the market do guys like us represent? Have you actually tried it? I was answering Yellowtail's comments above...not yours... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troy William Schlitter Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 Love Taco Bell food. Love A&W food better but they don't fallow the same menu here in Thailand. Oh well............... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racyrick Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 Stop it-you're killing me!! I live in Khon Kaen and we have nothing here except Mc D and KFC. PLEASE, somebody send me some Taco Bell and Texas Chicken--PLEASE!! Oh forgot, no beef and no beans maybe not TC--oh what the hell TC too!! PLEASE!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mogandave Posted February 14, 2019 Author Share Posted February 14, 2019 Pizza Hut and Dominos both completely different as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TallGuyJohninBKK Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 Just now, racyrick said: Stop it-you're killing me!! I live in Khon Kaen and we have nothing here except Mc D and KFC. PLEASE, somebody send me some Taco Bell and Texas Chicken--PLEASE!! Oh forgot, no beef and no beans maybe not TC--oh what the hell TC too!! PLEASE!! The KK area Thais from my experience tend to be pretty good beef eaters.... Same with Sakon Nakhon and other areas of Isaan. Sakon Nakhon, of course, is home to Thailand's pretty decent Thai-French beef industry. Taco Thailand has said they plan to open a bunch of outlets, though as far as I know, they haven't specified where... Go on their FB page, and tell them you want a Taco Thailand in Khon Kaen! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiNombreEsFicticious Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 On 2/13/2019 at 11:55 AM, fforest1 said: Give it time the newness will wear off and the lines will go down...Way down.... Me and a friend have made a pact; whatever it takes, we'll eat it. Taco Bell will go down never. You're welcome, Thailand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TallGuyJohninBKK Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 2 minutes ago, mogandave said: Pizza Hut and Dominos both completely different as well I think the Thai company behind Taco Thailand also is the Thai franchise holder these days for Pizza Hut, and quite a few other U.S. oriented food outlets including IHOP that now exist here... But at least at their IHOP restaurants here (same company), you can actually go and order pancakes and have choices of pancakes that reasonably resemble their U.S. menu... It's not like you go the IHOP here, and they tell you, yes, you can have our pancakes, but your only topping choices are som tam or flossed pork, because, we've done our market research and we know what Thai customers want when they go to an International House of Pancakes!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellowtail Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 9 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said: The KK area Thais from my experience tend to be pretty good beef eaters.... Same with Sakon Nakhon and other areas of Isaan. Sakon Nakhon, of course, is home to Thailand's pretty decent Thai-French beef industry. Taco Thailand has said they plan to open a bunch of outlets, though as far as I know, they haven't specified where... Go on their FB page, and tell them you want a Taco Thailand in Khon Kaen! Duke's is pretty good in KK... Domestic beef has certainly improved since I've been here... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TallGuyJohninBKK Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 8 minutes ago, Yellowtail said: Duke's is pretty good in KK... Domestic beef has certainly improved since I've been here... I wouldn't mind if Taco Thailand were to use TF ground beef for their promised future beef product. But I got the impression they're probably going to look for some imported beef, and perhaps can find something cheaper to sell than what local TF beef would be... After all, it's only going to end up as ground beef... not steaks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ricklev Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 6 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said: I wouldn't mind if Taco Thailand were to use TF ground beef for their promised future beef product. But I got the impression they're probably going to look for some imported beef, and perhaps can find something cheaper to sell than what local TF beef would be... After all, it's only going to end up as ground beef... not steaks! I don't think there is any real reason to assume they will actually start selling beef. There will likely be a reevaluation of their decision based on sales over a period of time. They might or they might not. As for beans, I don't think it's going to happen. Taco Bell Thailand is dead to this vegetarian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellowtail Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 Personally, I'd like to see decent fish and shrimp tacos. Beef and beans would be nice, but not really a deal breaker for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TallGuyJohninBKK Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 9 minutes ago, ricklev said: I don't think there is any real reason to assume they will actually start selling beef. There will likely be a reevaluation of their decision based on sales over a period of time. They might or they might not. Maybe you missed it... The guy who's the head of the Thai family behind the Taco Thailand franchise here posted on his personal Instagram page, about a week after their opening, saying that they had decided to add beef to their menu in response to customer requests... And they would do so as soon as they could locate an appropriate supplier. But he didn't give any specific timeframe. And no mention of beans. There were various EN language media articles on his TH-language beef announcement at the time, including from Khaosod EN. But the guy didn't do any version of that announcement in EN as far as I know, and Taco Thailand hasn't made any mention of it on their FB page as yet, AFAIK. Probably, they don't want to announce any further until they're actually ready to expand their menu... Otherwise, they'd probably just end up inviting more heaps of scorn from the beef and bean loving Taco Bell fans hereabouts, Thai and farang alike! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TallGuyJohninBKK Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 9 minutes ago, Yellowtail said: Personally, I'd like to see decent fish and shrimp tacos. Beef and beans would be nice, but not really a deal breaker for me. I'd go for that... as an additional option... just like beef should have been from the beginning. Sunrise Tacos has always had some halfway decent batter fried fish tacos, and I often seemed to end up ordering them over their other protein options for tacos... Except for carnitas, which always would be my first choice if offered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellowtail Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 3 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said: I'd go for that... as an additional option... just like beef should have been from the beginning. Sunrise Tacos has always had some halfway decent batter fried fish tacos, and I often seemed to end up ordering them over their other protein options for tacos... Except for carnitas, which always would be my first choice if offered. Well, you could have carnitas at Taco Bell if you weren't boycotting them... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TallGuyJohninBKK Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 17 minutes ago, ricklev said: As for beans, I don't think it's going to happen. Taco Bell Thailand is dead to this vegetarian. BTW, in one of my several DM exchanges with Taco Thailand on their FB page over the weeks, I at one point gently and politely prodded them over the lack of vegetarian choices on their menu, and pointed out that adding beans and bean burritos would at least be a step in that direction. And, their response was to point out that they offer cheese quesadillas on the menu, to which I responded by pointing out that a lot of people who don't eat meat also choose not to eat dairy products.... So the cheese quesadilla really wouldn't work for those folks... They didn't seem willing to engage on the vegetarian issue much beyond that... Apparently, their market research has also informed them that Thais aren't interested in vegetarian choices either!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TallGuyJohninBKK Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 Just now, Yellowtail said: Well, you could have carnitas at Taco Bell if you weren't boycotting them... They're not doing carnitas... they're doing another variety of pork. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellowtail Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 Just now, TallGuyJohninBKK said: They're not doing carnitas... they're doing another variety of pork. Well they call it "Pulled Pork Carnitas" on the menu, haven't tried it, but the ground pork and chicken I thought was good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TallGuyJohninBKK Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 1 minute ago, Yellowtail said: Well, you could have carnitas at Taco Bell if you weren't boycotting them... I'll go there to try their food once they add EITHER beef or beans to their menu, and not until then... All along, I've been very clear here in what I've said here. I've never complained or said one word about the food they ARE serving, because I haven't eaten it. I've ONLY complained about the food they're NOT serving, and the absence of that renders their outlet something other than a Taco Bell IMHO.... But at least now, they've promised to begin remedying that with beef, despite what their market research told them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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