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Bahrain issued Interpol Red Notice for Hakeem Al-Araibi, document reveals

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2 hours ago, GroveHillWanderer said:

I have looked and looked but can't find anything to show that any court proceedings had started before the red notice was cancelled (though it's always possible that I have missed something). The Bangkok Post reports that Bahrain did not submit the extradition request until 4 days after the red notice was rescinded. Since al-Araibi was not accused of any crime in Thailand, I can't see why he would have been subject to any court proceedings before the start of the extradition process.

 

Can you tell us what court case had started before the red notice was withdrawn?

 

As far as I can tell, Thailand could (and should) have released al-Araibi as soon as the red notice was cancelled, since they had not received an extradition request at that point, at least according to the timeline given by the news reports I can find.

 

If you can establish a different sequence of events, that would of course change things.

"I have looked and looked but can't find anything to show that any court proceedings had started before the red notice was cancelled..."

You missed it, it has been widely reported and that is why he was arrested. 

 

"Can you tell us what court case had started before the red notice was withdrawn?"

Yes, I can. The case he is subject to right now.

 

"As far as I can tell, Thailand could (and should) have released al-Araibi as soon as the red notice was cancelled, since they had not received an extradition request at that point..."

As you said, that is just as far as you could tell!  Thailand had received the extradition request before the notice was cancelled.

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1 hour ago, Just Weird said:

Those links are irrelevant to your original assertion that "you could be next as an innocent expat" or words to that effect, I can't be arsed going back to your comment and quoting you exactly.   

 

All the people referred to in those links either committed an offence (whether you approve of the laws or not) or were in the country illegally.

 

"please provide an example where australia sent someone away, knowing torture was highly likely as part of repatriation..."

I did not say that Australia had sent anyone, anywhere, in those circumstances!

“Local organizations and community members reported that the military arbitrarily arrested, tortured and otherwise ill-treated Muslim men following attacks by militants in southern Thailand. Human rights defenders working with victims of torture were harassed by military authorities and threatened on social media.”

 

from the link supplied.... note the word “arbitrarily”... but ho hum.... you’ve been here long enough to know that little reason can land someone in trouble.... often to extort a little tea money.... beware pattaya bridge club players breaking the law... blah blah

 

18 hours ago, Just Weird said:

Thailand has a history of sending people back to a country that imprisons them..."

And they don't deserve it?  Who exactly? 

Many countries, including you own, do exactly the same, that is not exclusive to Thailand!

So... by “do exactly the same thing” you actually meant what?

 

i fully understand that you like to equivocate, demanding others justify their POV with links, yet fail to do just that, when challenged.... so carry on old chap.

 

 

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43 minutes ago, Just Weird said:

"I have looked and looked but can't find anything to show that any court proceedings had started before the red notice was cancelled..."

You missed it, it has been widely reported and that is why he was arrested. 

 

"Can you tell us what court case had started before the red notice was withdrawn?"

Yes, I can. The case he is subject to right now.

 

"As far as I can tell, Thailand could (and should) have released al-Araibi as soon as the red notice was cancelled, since they had not received an extradition request at that point..."

As you said, that is just as far as you could tell!  Thailand had received the extradition request before the notice was cancelled.

Lmao.... per my last.... blah blah but no links or attempts to verify your post.... tilt baby tilt.

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1 hour ago, Just Weird said:

You were talking about "trampled human rights", a prisoner's being secured for travel outside the prison, particularly when he is considered a flight risk, is not a violation of anyone's rights, every country does it in some manner!  And it certainly is not "abusive".

I was... and that’s just one example.... there are others, and to quote you further....

 

48 minutes ago, Just Weird said:

You missed it, it has been widely reported 

 

Meanwhile, as to the example given, are you suggesting al ariabi was a flight risk.... the only flight risk there is your flight of fantasy.

 

and... every country does not present prisoners to court in leg irons... you might need to check that against prison legislation in countries deemed to be full democracies, vs partial democracies or dictatorships, whilst bearing in mind that full democracies have a greater respect for human rights

 

obviously there will be exceptions that make the rule.

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3 hours ago, Just Weird said:

1.  Non-refoulement in this case does not apply to Thailand as Thailand did not grant him asylum.

 

2. "Article 3 of this latter convention states that, "No State Party shall expel, return, or extradite a person to another State where..."

He has not been extradited!

Non-refoulement does not only apply to the country granting asylum - it establishes the principle that no country should send a refugee back to the country which is the one in respect of which they have a well-founded fear of persecution.

 

It is accepted as a jus cogens or peremptory norm, which means it is "a fundamental principle of international law that is accepted by the international community of states as a norm from which no derogation is permitted." It does not only apply to the country that granted him asylum, it applies to all members of the international community.

 

No he has not been extradited but if there is an international norm saying that he should not be (and non-refoulement seems to provide that) and if you accept that it would be a violation of that principle to extradite him then it surely also violates that norm to subject him to extradition procedures in the first place.

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4 hours ago, Just Weird said:

 

"You missed it, it has been widely reported and that is why he was arrested." 

No, he was arrested because a red notice had been issued for him. A red notice is not a "court case."

 

"Yes, I can. The case he is subject to right now."

The case he is subject to now is the extradition process. He can't have been in court for an extradition hearing before an extradition request had been issued.

 

"As you said, that is just as far as you could tell!  Thailand had received the extradition request before the notice was cancelled."

No, I said that as far as I could tell, they should have released him and that it was based on reports in the Bangkok Post. They wrote that the extradition request was received by the Office of the Attorney General on December 3 but the red notice had already been rescinded on November 30. 

 

Edited by GroveHillWanderer

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According to another thread just started in the News section:

 

"Prosecutors this afternoon asked to withdraw the extradition of Bahraini national Hakeem AlAraibi and the Criminal Court has approved the request. He is expected to be released later today."

 

Sanity prevails!

Edited by GroveHillWanderer
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7 hours ago, Just Weird said:

"...and the guy remains in jail/prison in the meantime being held without bail".

I'm pretty sure that's something to with the fact that he's a proven flight risk and bomb carrier and that there has not been any single suspect in any extradition case who has ever been granted bail before.

 

Nothwithstanding your apparent twisted desire that the guy be deported to Bahrain or held indefinitely in Thai prison or whatever, I see the Thai justice system has finally come to its senses and ordered the guy released and the charges against him dropped. 

 

Better late that never, but not nearly soon enough, considering the article says he'd been jailed in Thailand since Nov. 27.

 

http://www.khaosodenglish.com/news/crimecourtscalamity/2019/02/11/court-orders-hakeem-to-be-freed-today/

 

 

 

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The wife has just listened to the Thai news and it has been reported the Thai court has ruled that Hakeem Al-Araibi will not be extradited to Bahrain but instead he will be returned to Australia.

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1 hour ago, Russell17au said:

The wife has just listened to the Thai news and it has been reported the Thai court has ruled that Hakeem Al-Araibi will not be extradited to Bahrain but instead he will be returned to Australia.

 

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A source familiar with the case said the Thai government had bought AlAraibi a Thai Airways plane ticket for a flight back to Melbourne tonight.

 

Ohhh, the irony....

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18 hours ago, Russell17au said:

The wife has just listened to the Thai news and it has been reported the Thai court has ruled that Hakeem Al-Araibi will not be extradited to Bahrain but instead he will be returned to Australia.

There goes his honeymoon

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On 2/10/2019 at 6:27 AM, GroveHillWanderer said:

he asked the Australian Immigration authorities several times if it was OK for him to travel abroad, and he was given repeated assurances that it was safe for him to travel anywhere in the world (except Bahrain) on his Australian-issued refugee documents.

And what happened? Might as well have asked a fortune teller.

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38 minutes ago, Vacuum said:

And what happened? Might as well have asked a fortune teller.

The point at issue was people criticising him for simply assuming that it was OK for him to travel - I was pointing out that he didn't just assume it, he checked with the relevant authorities. We all know what happened.

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I'm happy it all got sorted, but I'd like to know what really happened. You don't get singled out like that for no reason. I feel a movie coming on.

Btw, saw on Thai sophon tv a movie replicating the tsunami that hit Thailand. Ewan McGregor is in it with a Nicole Kidman lookalike. Great effects. Check it out.

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