SheungWan Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 5 minutes ago, Basil B said: Maybe TM will be seducing JC at number 10... There is a parliamentary majority against Hard Brexit. If Hard Brexit passes it will hang around Corbyn's neck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SheungWan Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 4 hours ago, evadgib said: I have been elated for two years & cannot see it wearing off any time soon ???? Brexiteer goes Happy Clappy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basil B Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 26 minutes ago, Enoon said: It is the EU legislation that specifies the date. Their 2 year deadline from the notification. You hit it on the head, it is up to the 27 nations (not the UK or even EU parliament) to grant an extension of Article 50 if TM asks for it, and I am unsure if she has the mandate to request it, and it requires all 27 countries to agree, every country will have demands, Spain wants Gibraltar, France wants unrestricted fishing rights in UK waters, Ireland no boarder, Poland unrestricted travel/work in UK. TM has more chance of Getting JC and all his MP's voting for her deal.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basil B Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 16 minutes ago, SheungWan said: There is a parliamentary majority against Hard Brexit. If Hard Brexit passes it will hang around Corbyn's neck. Just can not see them getting into bed together... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SheungWan Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 4 minutes ago, Basil B said: TM has more chance of Getting JC and all his MP's voting for her deal.... Since the Hard Brexiteers can muster less than 100, she doesn't need all of Labour's MPs. As we head for the end, expect the Hard Brexiteer crew here to increasingly freak out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SheungWan Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 3 minutes ago, Basil B said: Just can not see them getting into bed together... Keep your eyes on Sterling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vogie Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 2 hours ago, Basil B said: You are trying to play that broken record again. 17.4 of 66 million = 26.4% As pointed out not everybody voted for the same reasons or for the same "Brexit", we are nearly 3 years down the line and it is clear that those who still want a brexit can not agree on what they want. Vote Leave can not deliver on their promise of something for nothing, time to call it a day... Why would anyone want to use this figure of "17.4 of 66 million = 26.4%" when it also includes people like babies, young children and teenagers under the age of 18. There are about 20 million of the population that are illegible to vote. Would it not be less confusing if you just used the appropiate figures of the actual voters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aright Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 1 minute ago, SheungWan said: Keep your eyes on Sterling. Is he leaving Manchester City? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basil B Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 1 minute ago, SheungWan said: Since the Hard Brexiteers can muster less than 100, she doesn't need all of Labour's MPs. As we head for the end, expect the Hard Brexiteer crew here to increasingly freak out. As most MP's are against Brexit they are likely to take control and do the sensible thing, revoke article 50, which does not need EU approval, then suggest they may in the next parliament after thinking it out properly put it to another referendum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evadgib Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 53 minutes ago, SheungWan said: Brexiteer mind reader. You certainly think you are, given how often the word appears in your posts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basil B Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 4 minutes ago, vogie said: Why would anyone want to use this figure of "17.4 of 66 million = 26.4%" when it also includes people like babies, young children and teenagers under the age of 18. There are about 20 million of the population that are illegible to vote. Would it not be less confusing if you just used the appropiate figures of the actual voters. it is you Brexiteers that keep quoting 17.4, just like the misleading £350million on the side of a bus, even still I did include the disenfranchised and those who could not or did not vote, it is more correct than much of what Vote Leave said in the referendum campaign, even their election expenses were fraudulent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basil B Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 16 minutes ago, SheungWan said: Keep your eyes on Sterling. It can only get better... unless we go for a Hard Brexit by choice or default. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vogie Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 1 minute ago, Basil B said: it is you Brexiteers that keep quoting 17.4, just like the misleading £350million on the side of a bus, even still I did include the disenfranchised and those who could not or did not vote, it is more correct than much of what Vote Leave said in the referendum campaign, even their election expenses were fraudulent. 17.4 million is not misleading, it is the actual voters that voted leave, whilst your figure is totally meaningless. It shows nothing, only what you want it to show. Bring the bus out when you're desperate, do you believe everything you read on side of buses, I know I don't. We have had nothing but nearly 3 years of project fear, blatant lies from the remain side, so I wouldn't get too rightious or even blinkered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basil B Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 2 minutes ago, vogie said: 17.4 million is not misleading, it is the actual voters that voted leave, whilst your figure is totally meaningless. It shows nothing, only what you want it to show. Bring the bus out when you're desperate, do you believe everything you read on side of buses, I know I don't. We have had nothing but nearly 3 years of project fear, blatant lies from the remain side, so I wouldn't get too rightious or even blinkered. I am not getting desperate... I just pointing out misleading propaganda, why not quote 51.8% instead of 17.4million? not exactly an other whelming majority, why not just say to the 48.2% "go to hell, we won". because in reality that is what brexiteers are saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vogie Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 1 minute ago, Basil B said: I am not getting desperate... I just pointing out misleading propaganda, why not quote 51.8% instead of 17.4million? not exactly an other whelming majority, why not just say to the 48.2% "go to hell, we won". because in reality that is what brexiteers are saying. But there was misleading propaganda from both sides, surely you must at least agree with me on that, but be under no illusion most people knew what they were voting for, whether leaver or remainer. I would also have no problem using 51.8% as opposed to 17.4 million, both figures show a true reflection on the result, also I would have no problem in saying 1.3 million more of the electorate voted to leave, they all are figures that people can relate to. I suppose if you think that 1.3 million is not an overall majority, that is up to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loiner Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 Bring the bus out when you're desperate, do you believe everything you read on side of buses, I know I don't.It always used to say India on the bus wheels, but even I knew it wasn’t going there!Remainers and snowflakes are so susceptible to advertising. They’ll believe anything. Sent from my iPhone using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evadgib Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 42 minutes ago, Basil B said: I am not getting desperate... I just pointing out misleading propaganda, why not quote 51.8% instead of 17.4million? not exactly an other whelming majority, why not just say to the 48.2% "go to hell, we won". because in reality that is what brexiteers are saying. Not relevant until PR supersedes FPTP in elections. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basil B Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 28 minutes ago, vogie said: But there was misleading propaganda from both sides, surely you must at least agree with me on that, but be under no illusion most people knew what they were voting for, whether leaver or remainer. I would also have no problem using 51.8% as opposed to 17.4 million, both figures show a true reflection on the result, also I would have no problem in saying 1.3 million more of the electorate voted to leave, they all are figures that people can relate to. I suppose if you think that 1.3 million is not an overall majority, that is up to you. One thing is clear we should think like many other countries, which require something more than a simple majority in any referendum, this should have been the same for the Scottish referendum, would make sense because then no one would be calling for a rerun, I think even you would see the sense there. As for the lies, misinformation, distortion of the facts, scaremongering, etc, yes, I agree but who was telling the biggest porkies I think we will disagree, politics is a dirty business. "but be under no illusion most people knew what they were voting for, whether leaver or remainer." I strongly disagree on that, ask anyone who voted leave and you will probably get 20 or more reasons why, ask anyone who voted leave what the expected, and you will get 17.4millon answers... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nauseus Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 2 minutes ago, Basil B said: One thing is clear we should think like many other countries, which require something more than a simple majority in any referendum, this should have been the same for the Scottish referendum, would make sense because then no one would be calling for a rerun, I think even you would see the sense there. As for the lies, misinformation, distortion of the facts, scaremongering, etc, yes, I agree but who was telling the biggest porkies I think we will disagree, politics is a dirty business. "but be under no illusion most people knew what they were voting for, whether leaver or remainer." I strongly disagree on that, ask anyone who voted leave and you will probably get 20 or more reasons why, ask anyone who voted leave what the expected, and you will get 17.4millon answers... You'd better start you poll now. Not much time left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunroaming Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 Nothing will happen on the 14th February, it is the 28th February that May is making her final pitch or at least her deadline until she changes it again. She is running the clock down and threatening the MPs with a no deal Brexit or her deal knowing that the MPs will never allow Britain to leave with no deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dick dasterdly Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 54 minutes ago, vogie said: But there was misleading propaganda from both sides, surely you must at least agree with me on that, but be under no illusion most people knew what they were voting for, whether leaver or remainer. I would also have no problem using 51.8% as opposed to 17.4 million, both figures show a true reflection on the result, also I would have no problem in saying 1.3 million more of the electorate voted to leave, they all are figures that people can relate to. I suppose if you think that 1.3 million is not an overall majority, that is up to you. More than a few people IMO, had little idea what they were voting for at the time. We have a few videos of Brexiteers ranting about Muslims and the like, and a few videos of (remainer) young people convinced that it would make holidays in Europe far more difficult..... But I agree that there was propaganda from both sides, mostly the remainers IMO - and they haven't stopped ????..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmartyMarty Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 build a bloody great wall around the whole country. problem solved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
puipuitom Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 30of March: we finally get rid of the British, who always want "more" of the EU cake. That date, all cars and a lot of other Industrial products will fall under the "third country" origin, with result 10% import duty for every car into the EU, or in other words: finished with Nissin - Sunderland and a lot of other industries. Same for meat: not only a high tariff, but also...beef +pork no longer allowed, just as any African, or Asian origin. Only frozen from Argentina, an origin free of mouth and claw disease. For me, I cannot understand a nation allows a 51,88 % Leave voters to destroy their country. But.. thanks, we will loose a lot of British competition. And many companies now in the UK to leave.. for a base in the EU. Bye-bye all that labour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vogie Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 33 minutes ago, Basil B said: One thing is clear we should think like many other countries, which require something more than a simple majority in any referendum, this should have been the same for the Scottish referendum, would make sense because then no one would be calling for a rerun, I think even you would see the sense there. As for the lies, misinformation, distortion of the facts, scaremongering, etc, yes, I agree but who was telling the biggest porkies I think we will disagree, politics is a dirty business. "but be under no illusion most people knew what they were voting for, whether leaver or remainer." I strongly disagree on that, ask anyone who voted leave and you will probably get 20 or more reasons why, ask anyone who voted leave what the expected, and you will get 17.4millon answers... Those were the rules on the day of the referendum, which we all had to adhere to. One vote either way would have given a result of leave or stay and I'm pretty sure had the result have gone the other way we would not be debating about it now. Personally I think a simple majority is fine by me, if one side has to get many more votes than the other side, it seems a tad unfair to me, but that is only my opinion. As for calling for a re-run, if a simple leave or remain question is too complicated for the electorate, would it be fair to say that a document of 500 pages might be a little bit harder for the electorate to understand. I don't think it matters who lied the most, a lie is a lie. Politicians are still economical with the truth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basil B Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 1 hour ago, vogie said: I'm pretty sure had the result have gone the other way we would not be debating about it now. Brexiteers are worse that the mob from north of Harridans Wall... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basil B Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 1 hour ago, dunroaming said: Nothing will happen on the 14th February, it is the 28th February that May is making her final pitch or at least her deadline until she changes it again. She is running the clock down and threatening the MPs with a no deal Brexit or her deal knowing that the MPs will never allow Britain to leave with no deal. Nothing will happen Thursday, it will just get deferred another 2 weeks, nothing will happen 28th it will be differed another 2 weeks, then another 2 weeks then... As for JC he needs to wise up, we had a name for girls like her, "a p*** teaser". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grouse Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 9 hours ago, Baerboxer said: Breixteer's either like to pretend or genuinely are ignorant of how Britain's representative parliamentary constitution works. They cling to the result of an advisory referendum regardless of any thoughts of consequences or the detail required for government to follow and implement that advice. They actually clamor for something that the parliamentary system was designed to stop. And when/if they get it they'll be the first to cry. It's the former, indisputably Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vogie Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 12 minutes ago, Basil B said: Brexiteers are worse that the mob from north of Harridans Wall... Take your picts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dick dasterdly Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 12 minutes ago, Basil B said: Brexiteers are worse that the mob from north of Harridans Wall... I think you're wrong. Brexiteers would have gone back to voting for UKIP - but not challenged the referendum vote. IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grouse Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 8 hours ago, evadgib said: It didn't need to for the 17.4m who knew what they wanted from the onset. Why don't you tell us then? We know what you don't want, what do you want? I asked several days ago if any Brexiters could tell me what they, themselves, personally expected to Benefit from Brexit? No responses. Not only do selfish Brexiters not give a damn about others, they have no idea what they want! How dumb is that? It's purely tribal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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