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55 minutes ago, VincentRJ said:

Well, that's obviously not true. There are hundreds of studies that imply that both the MWP and the RWP were at least as warm as today, globally,,,,

 

No there aren't.

 

57 minutes ago, VincentRJ said:

 

 

Perhaps the truth is in the middle. Both the RWP and MWP were about as hot as today.

 

 

 

 

False. 

 

58 minutes ago, VincentRJ said:

 

 

The other issue is, does it matter? Are warm periods not better than cold periods? 

 

 

Better for who? 

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3 hours ago, stevenl said:

With a defaistic attitude like that nothing will ever be achieved.

What has your non defaistic attitude ever achieved in the decades since we have been made aware of environmental pollution.

 

Do you actually believe that our voices will prevent billions of Indians, Chinese and Africans  from chucking their rubbish into the rivers and sea. The Ganges is one of the most polluted river in the world.

 

Will our voices clear the industrial haze that now covers many Asian cities. They're chasing after the wealth that comes with industrialisation and mass manufacturing. It's plainly obvious that they could not care less about what Western tree huggers have to say about it all.

 

Just looking at the plastic bags that get dumped in the streets of a comparatively civilised country like Thailand should answer such questions.

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40 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

No there aren't.

 

Yes there are. Here are some of the studies. Read them all, then get back to me.

 

"More than 700 scientists from 400 institutions in 40 countries have contributed peer-reviewed papers providing evidence that the Medieval Warm Period was real, global, & warmer than the present’.
http://www.climatedepot.com/2013/03/08/more-than-700-scientists-from-400-institutions-in-40-countries-have-contributed-peerreviewed-papers-providing-evidence-that-the-medieval-warm-period-was-real-global-warmer-than-the-present/

 

Better for who?

 

Better for most people, including those who live in the tropics. James Lovelock retired in Singapore, which is on the equator. He has no problem with the warming climate, and now thinks the hype is a load of rubbish.

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Nothing will get done on major environmental issues, least of all climate, until the Green/Left does something to address its unshakable and quite misplaced arrogance.

 

Their default mindset is : "If you understood the problem as well as I understand the problem, then you would agree with me and see that I am right." It simply never occurs to them that there may be more than one way to look at complex issues, because they never bother to ask.

 

It's wrong-headed and very unhelpful, but shows no sign of changing. So nothing will get done.

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2 minutes ago, yogi100 said:

What has your non defaistic attitude ever achieved in the decades since we have been made aware of environmental pollution.

 

Do you actually believe that our voices will prevent billions of Indians, Chinese and Africans  from chucking their rubbish into the rivers and sea. The Ganges is one of the most polluted river in the world.

 

Will our voices clear the industrial haze that now covers many Asian cities. They're chasing after the wealth that comes with industrialisation and mass manufacturing. It's plainly obvious that they could not care less about what Western tree huggers have to say about it all.

 

Just looking at the plastic bags that get dumped in the streets of a comparatively civilised country like Thailand should answer such questions.

I have to agree, pollution should be of immediate concern,

already the food chain is being poisoned by waste plastics

and chemicals on land and sea. The result needs no imagination.

 

 

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5 minutes ago, talahtnut said:

I have to agree, pollution should be of immediate concern,

already the food chain is being poisoned by waste plastics

and chemicals on land and sea. The result needs no imagination.

 

 

The concern of even a million Western environmentalists will have no effect of the activities of billions of comparatively backward peoples around the world who take living among rubbish as part of their every day existence. It's water off a ducks back to them.

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49 minutes ago, yogi100 said:

What has your non defaistic attitude ever achieved in the decades since we have been made aware of environmental pollution.

 

Do you actually believe that our voices will prevent billions of Indians, Chinese and Africans  from chucking their rubbish into the rivers and sea. The Ganges is one of the most polluted river in the world.

 

Will our voices clear the industrial haze that now covers many Asian cities. They're chasing after the wealth that comes with industrialisation and mass manufacturing. It's plainly obvious that they could not care less about what Western tree huggers have to say about it all.

 

Just looking at the plastic bags that get dumped in the streets of a comparatively civilised country like Thailand should answer such questions.

Doesn't matter at all what my attitude achieved here.

Yours will achieve nothing, even work the opposite way.

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2 minutes ago, stevenl said:

Doesn't matter at all what my attitude achieved here.

Yours will achieve nothing, even work the opposite way.

 

You are achieving nothing by getting on at me about it. Get on to those who are responsible in India or China for the pollution not me. Like you I used to fell guilty every time I put a plastic bag in the kitchen bin but what is the point. It's shipped out to China where they burn plastic waste to create energy and even more pollution.

 

My own sister was the author of Pollution and the Environment which she wrote in the 1960s and was one of her two publications that was distributed as a text book in British schools dealing with the subject. That was over half a century ago and her efforts have had no world wide influence at all. But fish, even Salmon can now be caught in the all reaches of the River Thames. 

 

Why don't you have a crack at writing a book on the matter instead of bleating on at people on internet forums about it.

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15 minutes ago, yogi100 said:

 

You are achieving nothing by getting on at me about it. Get on to those who are responsible in India or China for the pollution not me. Like you I used to fell guilty every time I put a plastic bag in the kitchen bin but what is the point. It's shipped out to China where they burn plastic waste to create energy and even more pollution.

 

My own sister was the author of Pollution and the Environment which she wrote in the 1960s and was one of her two publications that was distributed as a text book in British schools dealing with the subject. That was over half a century ago and her efforts have had no world wide influence at all. But fish, even Salmon can now be caught in the all reaches of the River Thames. 

 

Why don't you have a crack at writing a book on the matter instead of bleating on at people on internet forums about it.

Bleating on at people on internet forums, if anything you're the one bleating on.

 

A pity, since your previous posts about coral protection and vegetarians showed good intentions.

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On 2/11/2019 at 9:41 AM, Ahab said:

Trump will be re-elected in a landslide. Global warming/climate change/whatever they call the next world ending crisis will be assigned to the dust bin of history along with all the other apocalyptic visions (both religious and other) that have ever been created.
 

Before you start calling me a holocaust denier (I mean global warming/whatever we are calling this crap theory this week) please tell me how much of the current warming is anthropogenic and how much is just a natural cycle? If you say it is all manmade you are a moron.

So a guy who is polling in the 35-45% range and dropping is going to win the election by a landslide? Put down the Kool Aid man. 

And as for the question on how much of this is just a natural cycle... 

24_co2-graph-021116-768px.jpg

Think before you speak.

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32 minutes ago, stevenl said:

Bleating on at people on internet forums, if anything you're the one bleating on.

 

A pity, since your previous posts about coral protection and vegetarians showed good intentions.

What posts about coral protection and vegetarians?

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1 hour ago, stevenl said:

Doesn't matter at all what my attitude achieved here.

Yours will achieve nothing, even work the opposite way.

Your attitude is important.

The Doomsday Clock is ticking.

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53 minutes ago, jcsmith said:

So a guy who is polling in the 35-45% range and dropping is going to win the election by a landslide? Put down the Kool Aid man. 

And as for the question on how much of this is just a natural cycle... 

24_co2-graph-021116-768px.jpg

Think before you speak.

It is still a trace gas and the temperatures have not kept increasing in line with the rise in CO2 (which is what the theory says it should do) in the atmosphere.

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