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BANGKOK 19 February 2019 01:44
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Climate change seen as top threat, but U.S. power a growing worry - poll

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Report from Iron Mountain.....(1960's)

A committee of 'wise men' convened at Iron Mountain N.Y, at the behest of the US govt, searching for ways to 'keep the peace' and maintain social cohesion.

One of the recommendations....

'Threat of wide-spread environmental pollution'

https://jmm.nu/report-iron-mountain/

 

Btw...what happened to the hole in the Ozone layer?

It was all the rage in the '80's

Past its sell-by date?

 

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15 hours ago, Pedrogaz said:

But the US has been in almost perpetual war ever since the end of WW2....and all of these are wars of choice, thousands of miles from home in countries that represent no threat at all to the US. I am really concerned about the US starting illegal and unnecessary wars because war is the greatest evil.

..and the environmental damage this has caused is monumental

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17 hours ago, VincentRJ said:

Climate Change should certainly be a major concern. Many civilizations in the past have been destroyed by climate change, although not always directly. Often, the civilization is weakened, due to a change in climate which it is unable to adapt to, and is then attacked by its traditional enemies.

 

A fairly recent example is the demise of the Khmer civilization during the 15th century. As the climate changed from the Medieval Warm Period to the Little Ice Age, the snows in the Himalayas, which feed the Mekong during summer, did not melt as usual. For a number of years, the monsoons were very weak, or even non-existent, and the reservoirs around the Angkor Wat region became dry, resulting in a serious food shortage. The local people began to desert the area in search of greener pastures and the Thais took that opportunity to invade, which resulted in the remaining people also deserting the area. The many temples became a lost city in the jungle, discovered centuries later by the French.

 

For many years it was a puzzle why an entire population had deserted such a large area of solid structures, temples, reservoirs and canals. Usually after an invasion, the invaders take control, or the survivors of the original population return after the invaders depart. Why did this entire civilization become lost in the jungle?

 

The study of tree rings and sediments in the area provide a convincing explanation. As a result of a major disruption to the climate, resulting in several years of dryness, there followed a few years of heavy monsoons and massive flooding. There was little incentive for the surviving population to return, so the cities became overgrown and lost in the jungle.

 

The key to surviving climate change is adaption. In modern societies we have the energy resources and the technology to enable us to adapt, and we have the historical data which tell us which regions are most at risk of floods and droughts, but economic growth takes priority.

 

Building codes which require houses in flood plains to be built above the level of previous floods, and/or to withstand the force of previous hurricanes in the area, are too expensive. By ignoring the real risks of a repetition of previous, known, extreme weather events in the area, a thriving economic community can be developed, sometimes without any major catastrophe for 30 or 40 years, then one year, wham bam, 20 Billion dollars worth of damage results from a flood and hurricane, usually described in the media as unprecedented, or a once-in-a-hundred year event which is likely caused by rising CO2 levels, or certainly exacerbated by rising CO2 levels.

 

Placing the blame on rising CO2 levels, and the government investing in renewable energy sources to reduce CO2 emissions in order to create the impression they are at least doing something to reduce the risk of future extreme weather events, allows the destroyed dwellings to be rebuilt along the same lines, whilst creating the delusion that the next flood or hurricane will not be as extreme.
 

And the mini ice age was caused by human activity.

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16 minutes ago, RickBradford said:

It's interesting to compare this poll with the latest U.N. poll on what people would like to see governments deal with.

 

In that poll, climate change is absolutely bottom of the list - more than three times as many people care about education, and well over twice as many want better healthcare, job opportunities, and honest government than want “action taken on climate change”.

 

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It may be that people see climate change as a top threat, but nobody wants to do much about it.

Sometimes impopular measures are necessary for the general good. It is not all about approval ratings.

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1 hour ago, stevenl said:

Sometimes impopular measures are necessary for the general good. It is not all about approval ratings.

There's one major flaw in that argument - just who gets to decide what is "the general good"? The answer is almost always: The very last people you would want to be making decisions like that.

 

In practice, your statement turns out to be precisely the clarion call of totalitarians through the ages. "We, the self-appointed elites know what's best for you. Just shut up and don't interfere, you worthless peasants." or "Do as you're told and you won't be harmed."

 

It's bad news for anyone who believes in democracy.

 

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14 minutes ago, RickBradford said:

There's one major flaw in that argument - just who gets to decide what is "the general good"? The answer is almost always: The very last people you would want to be making decisions like that.

 

In practice, your statement turns out to be precisely the clarion call of totalitarians through the ages. "We, the self-appointed elites know what's best for you. Just shut up and don't interfere, you worthless peasants." or "Do as you're told and you won't be harmed."

 

It's bad news for anyone who believes in democracy.

 

Perhaps you should examine who’s promoting the arguments against environmentalism and check that against who’s promoting the idea you should not trust your government.

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