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Tanoshi

Marriage/Retirement - Interpretations explained.

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17 minutes ago, Estrada said:

I read this confirmation of the new rules, as meaning that they will give you a 3 month extension of stay "Under Consideration",

Darn another slant on it, I hope not!

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18 minutes ago, Estrada said:

I read this confirmation of the new rules, as meaning that they will give you a 3 month extension of stay "Under Consideration", when you apply for your retirement extension. Then after 90 days you have to go back to immigration and they check that you still have no less than the B800K in your bank and then they will give you the balance of 9 months, making 1 year. This is what still needs clarifying. (They were applying this rule for first applications 9 years ago).

There is nothing in the rules that say that. That was just a supposition by some people.

I don't recall there ever being a under consideration period for retirement extension applications.

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4 hours ago, Tanoshi said:

Not according to Immigration, although that's what the English translation suggests.

Order 35/22562 hasn't replaced order 327/2557, it's in addition to that order with minor changes and supposed to clarify the process, but appears to have had the opposite effect.

They should be read together as one …….. confusing I know, but, that was the explanation given.

 

With respect, I think the officers you spoke to have got it wrong. What has been issued is a full replacement of conditions and criteria for ‘2.22 Retirement’. If it has been wrongly written we may see a replacement order specifying the difference between the new and renewal applications etc. as with the original 2014 order.

 

However, I beleive that they have standardised the “seasoning” requirement to 2 months for new and renewals, probably because they’ve added the ‘overkill’ minimum balance requirements.

 

IMO they will not issue anything more beyond ‘maybe’ internal clarification of this new order. Hopefully after that we will get some consistency coming out from the offices.

 

Your report is excellent, but I still don’t think we can take what you were told as definitive. I hope they are right on the combo method and wrong about the seasoning.

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4 hours ago, wobalt said:
5 hours ago, elviajero said:
How many Chinese do you reckon apply for the types of extensions reliant on embassy letters?


I don’t know but I know many Chinese investing now heavily in properties in Thailand

That may well be true. But I doubt many Chinese are using embassy letters to prove income for extensions of stay. Your average Chinese is not going to be retiring on 65K pm. They will be living in Thailand by other methods.

 

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4 hours ago, Graviton said:

UK has P60 which is a legal income/tax document.  Why cannot use this its straight from the gov.

They can be faked. There are websites offering ‘replacement’ payslips/P60’s.

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4 hours ago, thesa said:

How does one prove 800K remains in the bank for three months after being granted the extension? Another trip to Immigration with a 100 baht letter from the bank and your updated passbook?

You don’t. It will not be checked until you apply for the next extension, and if you didn’t keep the minimum required balances the next extension could be refused.

 

4 hours ago, thesa said:

Would the three month reporting that funds remain in the bank be enforced with a visa cancellation?

That’s not going to happen. They’ll simply not issue another extension when you go to renew.

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That’s not going to happen. They’ll simply not issue another extension when you go to renew.
So you need to apply for a new extension? I so, I think this is the loop hole agents will exploit. And charge more of course. Great. More money in the pockets of agents and others involved in this money minting scheme.

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8 minutes ago, phuketrichard said:

and it goes into effect in 2 weeks

It has as much chance as Brexit!

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2 hours ago, mrwebb8825 said:

I am not retired. I am married and working here. My quote from your OP was the 2nd option under "Married" covering "Income Method".

I only gave a report of the issues I discussed with Immigration, which did not include those deriving an income from Thailand, but assuming your on a marriage extension and have a WP separately, then under the amendment to order 138/2557, section 18, clause 1, would apply in that instance.

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1) A personal income tax form together with the payment slip.

 

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Could someone give some feed back on another query . I have a half share in a conbo worth about 2 million with my wife , is there a perversion in the act as it stands at present , that I could use that half share as collateral in the future ? Again thank you all for you input.



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1 hour ago, elviajero said:

With respect, I think the officers you spoke to have got it wrong. What has been issued is a full replacement of conditions and criteria for ‘2.22 Retirement’. If it has been wrongly written we may see a replacement order specifying the difference between the new and renewal applications etc. as with the original 2014 order.

 

Appreciate what your saying, but that being the case and order 35/2662 is a full replacement of section 2.22 of order 327/2557 and I quote from 35/2562.

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(3) Must have evidence of having income of no less than THB 65,000

At face value, would that then mean he has dropped the 'monthly'  requirement for retirement extensions based on incomes.

 

2 hours ago, elviajero said:

Your report is excellent, but I still don’t think we can take what you were told as definitive. I hope they are right on the combo method and wrong about the seasoning.

+1.

I still believe there will be more clarification and another twist to what we're being told.

Like you I believe the seasoning periods for the funds method has been totally misinterpreted by offices.

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5 minutes ago, ace000 said:

Could someone give some feed back on another query . I have a half share in a conbo worth about 2 million with my wife , is there a perversion in the act as it stands at present , that I could use that half share as collateral in the future ? Again thank you all for you input.

There is no provision in the police order for using it to apply for an extension.

It is money in the bank or proof of income or both to reach at total of 800k baht. Nothing other than that is allowed.

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