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Decision to slowly phase out paraquat met with stiff opposition

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Just now, kannot said:

No its  not that dangerous, if wer'e  gonna  ban everything with common sense start lets start with motor vehicles........... especially in Thailand, lets  face it using the correct masks and  protection its no problem... when given to idiots who dont mix  it correctly, spray it correctly at the right time wearing correct protection then yes theyre  gonna  die.

Like most things it gets restricted due to morons who abuse the correct system,same same Visas.

Sometimes you have to conform to reality in Thailand only bans work other things just won't be enforced. The people just can't use it will not take any care and with all the corruption nothing but a full ban would suffice. Motor vehicles are hard to replace there are alternatives for paraquat maybe a bit more work or more expensive but they are there. Given the huge pesticide problem Thailand has this is a good thing. Remember where you live.

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17 minutes ago, robblok said:

Sometimes you have to conform to reality in Thailand only bans work other things just won't be enforced. The people just can't use it will not take any care and with all the corruption nothing but a full ban would suffice. Motor vehicles are hard to replace there are alternatives for paraquat maybe a bit more work or more expensive but they are there. Given the huge pesticide problem Thailand has this is a good thing. Remember where you live.

Pls  name your alternatives aside manual  pulling which I did for about 5  years until staff could  no  longer be found.

Paraquat  is  fast acting and rain proof  in 10  minutes..............now as for civilized countries banning it remember where they were, surely cant be for the same reason? 

I see a lot of reference to suicide but thats just nuts they can as  easily  jump off a  building or step into a Thai car ( same thing)

Flame  gun and use  gas is about all I can see, I dont use  a lot and spot  treat I dont spray vast swathes of crops with it.

 have already spread 6  inch deep gravel over a lot of my land which helps with them getting started and  makes them easier to  pull out.

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8 minutes ago, kannot said:

Pls  name your alternatives aside manual  pulling which I did for about 5  years until staff could  no  longer be found.

Paraquat  is  fast acting and rain proof  in 10  minutes..............now as for civilized countries banning it remember where they were, surely cant be for the same reason? 

I see a lot of reference to suicide but thats just nuts they can as  easily  jump off a  building or step into a Thai car ( same thing)

Studies have shown its not as innocent as you believe otherwise they would not have banned it. Its not a suicide thing. Anyway normally I would agree with you about banning and responsible use. However in this country banning is often the only thing that works. Normally I am all for personal responsibility. But given the scale of the pesticide problem in Thailand. Just look at what comes up when they test vegetables in markets and supermarkets, the health of the nation supersedes the need of the farmers to save money.

 

Below an alternative to paraquat tested in Malaysia (that has banned paraquat and has similar climate to Thailand. This is just for one thing I am sure others can be found)

 

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1445-6664.2007.00263.x

 

Normally id be firmly on your side but enforcement of partial bans just does not work here. The lazy corrupt police makes sure of that. 

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4 hours ago, YetAnother said:

if thailand was a single person, then that person could not tie their own shoes' laces; the rest of the world banned this stuff long ago; think there were very good reasons to do so ?

Thailand is also one of the largest importers of asbestos. They say it doesn't hold any danger either.

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H.E The Minister and H.E. the Prime Minister shall ban paraquat asap, its a heavy pollutant, killing people from the field to consumers, indeed shall sue the producer of paraquat for all the damage done to the Kingdom of Thailand Population !

 

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im a farmer. i dont use the stuff. All my neighbours do but dont worry all the feilds are on fire so the country can breath in a little taste of paraquat!

Its all about money and laziness. My neighbours are frightened to light there sugarcane on fire but instead of plowing the leftover plant material back in to the dirt which is a GOOD thing to do they are waiting for a time to light it so they dont get in trouble. Same thing woth weeds. Just plow it. A little by hand if needed but with sugar cane if they leave the stuff they usually burn right on top which they can do for 3years in a row before a replant it limits the amount of weeds that can grow. On out farm we cover the ground in cut grass and bamboo leaves, banana leaves and weeds. Reduces the need for wate rand over time makes the soil good again.

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58 minutes ago, unamazedloso said:

im a farmer. i dont use the stuff. All my neighbours do but dont worry all the feilds are on fire so the country can breath in a little taste of paraquat!

Its all about money and laziness. My neighbours are frightened to light there sugarcane on fire but instead of plowing the leftover plant material back in to the dirt which is a GOOD thing to do they are waiting for a time to light it so they dont get in trouble. Same thing woth weeds. Just plow it. A little by hand if needed but with sugar cane if they leave the stuff they usually burn right on top which they can do for 3years in a row before a replant it limits the amount of weeds that can grow. On out farm we cover the ground in cut grass and bamboo leaves, banana leaves and weeds. Reduces the need for wate rand over time makes the soil good again.

Then you are a good farmer who is using good farming practices..  There are a few good Thai farmers near me who have great farms and use good farming methods, such as ploughing in the stubble, creating water reserves, rotating crops, etc.  I can tell they have a passion for their job, and are using their brains as to how to get the best yields and good quality crops.  

 

But the bad ones far outweigh the good.  I have seen farmers loose entire crops because they did not make provisions for adequate water, seen the same mistakes being made time and time again each year, and so much wastage.  

 

Some are just lazy, some don't care or like their work, and others are just selfish.

 

Poor education and ignorance is a big factor to the problem I think.  I have seem many times farmers spraying their crops with dangerous chemicals for hours at a time, not even wearing a face mask.  I have seen farmers leave their cows to nearly starve to death as they cant be bothered to move them to new grazing further down the street! 

 

I was upset one year when the farmer next door miscalculated the concentration of pesticide to spray on his rice fields... the water from the fields flowing into a large community lake (owned by the temple).  This caused thousands of fish, lots of turtles, frogs and wild ducks to get poisoned.. all floating on top of the water stinking the place out.  Did he face any consequences.... of course not.  Years on the lake is now a barren muddy expanse of water.  Even all the water lilies, reeds and other vegetation have died (I suspect form his weed killers).  

 

 

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I vary between paraquat and glyphosate so weeds do not become used to either, I only spray around trees(for 6" out) where the brush cutter cant go and do so wearing boots and a mask, weeds cannot be controlled  as I cannot dig around the trees or I will destroy roots, pulling them is beyond a joke as getting any workers apart from the brush cutter has proven to be impossible. I offer more than double the daily wage for a few hours work and none want to do it, seems manual labour is too much for most of them and when I have had a few come along they simply stop working if I leave or dont show up again even though I am there working with them and I am disabled, laziness appears to be rife. I would love an alternative but they are going to ban both paraquat and glyphosate which was what they started using instead of glyphosate in Malaysia, my trees (over 500)are a hobby for me, it gives me something to do with my time and they are not a financial proposition for me, by all means, all those saying these sprays  are not needed come in and come up with another method that is proven, when done as I do it is controlled, no over spray and not near any food sources, admittedly the farmers using it are idiots the way they spray it but when done correctly it can be controlled, I would have no problems if they left glyphosate on the market but that is going as well

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Decision to slowly phase out paraquat met with stiff opposition

 

Then ban Viagra too!

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8 hours ago, kannot said:

No its  not that dangerous, if wer'e  gonna  ban everything with common sense start lets start with motor vehicles........... especially in Thailand, lets  face it using the correct masks and  protection its no problem... when given to idiots who dont mix  it correctly, spray it correctly at the right time wearing correct protection then yes theyre  gonna  die.

Like most things it gets restricted due to morons who abuse the correct system,same same Visas.

I use it about once a month to spot treat weeds, of course if the Thai werent lazy and at 400 baht a day offered they could  pull them out by hand...........but it aint happening anymore, but then living in the city you wouldnt know about the staff shortage.

Had a  woman turn up here once to spray some weeds, came in flip flops, with the young kids  following her round walking thru the wet( paraquat) sprayed  grass..............theres  the problem

"No its  not that dangerous..."

 

You are the problem. You and farmers like you, too lazy/ignorant/uncaring/selfish to do the right thing.

 

It may not be too dangerous for you if you are wearing full protective gear.

People ingesting the poisonous food you produce are the ones who will suffer.

 

""No its  not that dangerous...".

It's great that anonymous internet poster kannot knows better than the scientists who can produce empirical evidence of its dangers.

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9 hours ago, robblok said:

Studies have shown its not as innocent as you believe otherwise they would not have banned it. Its not a suicide thing. Anyway normally I would agree with you about banning and responsible use. However in this country banning is often the only thing that works. Normally I am all for personal responsibility. But given the scale of the pesticide problem in Thailand. Just look at what comes up when they test vegetables in markets and supermarkets, the health of the nation supersedes the need of the farmers to save money.

 

Below an alternative to paraquat tested in Malaysia (that has banned paraquat and has similar climate to Thailand. This is just for one thing I am sure others can be found)

 

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1445-6664.2007.00263.x

 

Normally id be firmly on your side but enforcement of partial bans just does not work here. The lazy corrupt police makes sure of that. 

glyphosate is not  good  either

https://www.care2.com/greenliving/new-study-shows-epa-safe-levels-of-glyphosate-not-safe-at-all.html

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2 hours ago, JimmyJ said:

People ingesting the poisonous food you produce are the ones who will suffer.

youre nuts  pal, what food am I producing smarty pants?? let me help you with the answer NONE.

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4 minutes ago, kannot said:

youre nuts  pal, what food am I producing smarty pants?? let me help you with the answer NONE.

You might not be, but many farmers are.  Should be banned.

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14 hours ago, kannot said:

Start hoarding now Paraquat has an indefinite  lifespan

Unlike that of those using it.

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