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BANGKOK 27 March 2019 01:48
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Decision to slowly phase out paraquat met with stiff opposition

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In my area field workers get 7000 baht a month. That works out to about 250 a day. That's not much. I hire by the day rather than have permanent workers and pay a daily wage of 400 baht. I don't use chemicals or poisons of any kind. Most people that work for me pull weeds all day long. Some men do it, a lot of women, some kids, even some elderly. It's a job anyone can do and I am pleased to give them the pocket money.

 

I have yet to see an area go dormant due to a labor shortage. The reason a lot of people go to the big city for work is there are no jobs in the country. You wouldn't by chance have a GPS coordinate so we could independently verify all the land going vacant around you?

 

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There are 3 issues with Paraquat. First, it's direct toxicity to people who use it (an issue in Thailand due to poor adherence to usage instructions). The second is contamination of crops on the sprayed land (also in part due to negligent usage). The third is it's resistance to degradation, the half-life of Paraquat in soil is about 90 days, this means the land is contaminated for a long time before it is gone and also any runoff can contaminate water resources far away. Fish are quite sensitive to paraquat and also aquatic plants more so (in the UK, i used to fish in a lake which had a golf course built next to it, where they sprayed herbicides, Within 2 years all the lilies were dead and even after remedial work would not establish again 10 years later). It is this insidious damage which is the worst. In some areas in the UK, you could not irrigate some crops (like tomatoes) with river water because the herbicide levels in the rivers damage the crop ....

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11 hours ago, canopy said:

In my area field workers get 7000 baht a month. That works out to about 250 a day. That's not much. I hire by the day rather than have permanent workers and pay a daily wage of 400 baht. I don't use chemicals or poisons of any kind. Most people that work for me pull weeds all day long. Some men do it, a lot of women, some kids, even some elderly. It's a job anyone can do and I am pleased to give them the pocket money.

 

I have yet to see an area go dormant due to a labor shortage. The reason a lot of people go to the big city for work is there are no jobs in the country. You wouldn't by chance have a GPS coordinate so we could independently verify all the land going vacant around you?

 

Cant  get workers round here even when paying 5-600, theyre  too  lazy even if  they have no work they do  not want to work on the land, plenty of dormant land round here also due to slump in prices of many crops pineapples 2-3 baht a kilo down from 12  baht similar with mangoes. No  one will work for 7k a month here absolutely sure of  that includes Burmese

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9 minutes ago, rickudon said:

the half-life of Paraquat in soil is about 90 days

Doesnt that very  much depend on soil type ie sandy as opposed to clay?

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9 minutes ago, rickudon said:

There are 3 issues with Paraquat. First, it's direct toxicity to people who use it (an issue in Thailand due to poor adherence to usage instructions). The second is contamination of crops on the sprayed land (also in part due to negligent usage). The third is it's resistance to degradation, the half-life of Paraquat in soil is about 90 days, this means the land is contaminated for a long time before it is gone and also any runoff can contaminate water resources far away. Fish are quite sensitive to paraquat and also aquatic plants more so (in the UK, i used to fish in a lake which had a golf course built next to it, where they sprayed herbicides, Within 2 years all the lilies were dead and even after remedial work would not establish again 10 years later). It is this insidious damage which is the worst. In some areas in the UK, you could not irrigate some crops (like tomatoes) with river water because the herbicide levels in the rivers damage the crop ....

Thais also think make it stronger = works  better, when in fact the  opposite is true.

ALso time of spraying is important, seen some idiots do it on quite windy  days 

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Yes, Thai farmers are not the best educated/

 

Those results were from a sandy loam soil and a clay soil in Thailand. Only read the abstract, but matches what i vaguely remember from my days in MAFF. Obviously it is a generalisation, as would depend on soil type, temperature and rainfall, but as i described later, insidious pollution does a lot of damage to the environment, often at levels it is very hard to detect. And suing the guilty parties? Try proving it was THEIR application of herbicide, You have to sample up every tributary, ditch and farm field upstream of you first, fantastically expensive and usually with results not conclusive enough for a court of law. try doing that in Thailand .....

 

Sorry, an extensive ban is the only way. Like with visas, we all suffer due to the acts of the inconsiderate people.

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15 hours ago, kannot said:

Cant  get workers round here even when paying 5-600, 

YOU can't. That is the difference. No one else is paying those kind of high prices and farms are everywhere operating just fine. It's plain as day to anyone who looks around. Stop making up stories to try to hide your personal failures.

 

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