"Border buster" shows why Brexit frontier checks in N.Ireland would matter

[soalbundy]

3 hours ago, LucysDad said:

 

 

STILL wet dreaming............... not long to wait now

A lot of firms aren't waiting anymore, 250 firms to go to Holland, not sure if that includes Fords and Nissan, all the banks have ensured that they can still do business in the EU, still the pollution should go down somewhat.

[billd766]

2 hours ago, Basil B said:

But you can not prove it and would not like to see another referendum to prove your point, and virtually ever opinion poll on this is lie.

But you cannot prove it either.

 

OK. Lets us have another referendum but not complete it if the Remainers win.

 

Will there be a whining and a wailing from them?

 

Of course there will and they will be screaming how unfair it is, but that is what they want to happen to the first referendum. Is that fair or not?

 

[nontabury]

4 hours ago, RuamRudy said:

Alternatively, if the UK gives up the nonsense of an increasingly unwanted Brexit, there would be no problem whatsoever. 

But that would go against the expressed demand of over 17,400,000

British people. A majority in the largest turnout in a U.K Democratic vote.

 

[luckyluke]

16 minutes ago, jesimps said:

Just get on with the wishes of the people

Apparently this is considered as a not so important item by the U.K. government/parliament.

[nontabury]

 

  The U.K government has repeatedly stated that they will not erect a hard boarder, similarly the P.M of the I.R and the president of the E.u. Have also categorically stated they will not impose a hard boarder.

 So who is going to?

 

 

[Mavideol]

I used to have an ulcer or gastroduodenal ulcer, it's painful, blood in the stool, stomach pain that you have to bend to be able to tolerate the pain, sometimes vomiting... did a endoscopy/gastroscopy doctor saw some bacteria and prescribed antibiotics, it provided some relive but he put me into Tagamet for 3 months and all is gone, this happen 4 years ago at Phuket bangkok hospital, please check this website it may give you some info but I would advise to see a specialist, good luck

https://www.healthline.com/health/gastric-and-duodenal-ulcers

[Blue Muton]

3 hours ago, smedly said:

what a waste of a news article which has absolutely nothing to do with Brexit or Trade - it refers to a serious security issue that existed years ago were efforts were made to stop explosives and weapons being transported across from the Republic of Ireland into the UK, nothing to do with customs tariffs or trade which can all be managed away from the border, the GFA mentions very little to nothing about the Irish UK border which, it exists today and will continue to exist while N' Ireland remains part of the UK - the way that can be changed is by a majority in the North voting for it - and if they did vote to leave the UK the people need to look very carefully at what they would be getting  - ROI services such as health - policing - local services would be severely degraded because in the ROI they don't come close to what people enjoy in the UK - I have lived in both and the ROI is not even close or nearly as well funded - which is why Irish citizens cross the border the use the NHS   

Nothing to do with Brexit?

Your pants are on fire.

[Blue Muton]

34 minutes ago, nontabury said:

But that would go against the expressed demand of over 17,400,000

British people. A majority in the largest turnout in a U.K Democratic vote.

 

Electoral fraud is not democratic.

[Pilotman]

8 minutes ago, nontabury said:

 

  The U.K government has repeatedly stated that they will not erect a hard boarder, similarly the P.M of the I.R and the president of the E.u. Have also categorically stated they will not impose a hard boarder.

 So who is going to?

 

 

Good old EU, make up the rules as you go along,  Priceless. 

[Mavideol]

7 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

I used to have an ulcer or gastroduodenal ulcer, it's painful, blood in the stool, stomach pain that you have to bend to be able to tolerate the pain, sometimes vomiting... did a endoscopy/gastroscopy doctor saw some bacteria and prescribed antibiotics, it provided some relive but he put me into Tagamet for 3 months and all is gone, this happen 4 years ago at Phuket bangkok hospital, please check this website it may give you some info but I would advise to see a specialist, good luck

https://www.healthline.com/health/gastric-and-duodenal-ulcers

SORRYYYY       THIS WAS SUPPOSED TO BE POSTED FOR THE OP WHO IS HAVING STOMACH PROBLEMS .....pushed the wrong button

[CG1 Blue]

2 hours ago, fvw53 said:

It would mean an open border - no controls -  between between the UK and the EU ....may-be you suggest a solution like in the arrival areas of  airports ..."nothing to declare = green lane" while " goods to declare = red lane"  /  smugglers are going to make a fortune

 

Give us some actual examples of what risk there is to the EU if the border stays open after Brexit. 

 

Somebody said previously that sub-standard beef could be exported to the UK, then re-labled, then transported to RoI and then into EU countries. The cost of doing all that would wipe out the profit, and also the whole process would eat into the beef's sell by date. So this is not going to happen. 

 

If the EU were to install a border the troubles would start again. It would re-start a war. People will die. 

 

Which option do you think the peace loving EU will take - leave the border open and risk a few fast boiling kettles making their way into Dublin, or install a border and start a war?

 

There will be no border! 

 

 

[CG1 Blue]

9 minutes ago, Blue Muton said:

Electoral fraud is not democratic.

Vote Leave may have overspent by something like £500k, but the Remain campaign effectively got an extra £9m of taxpayers money through that leaflet drop. That should have been illegal. 

[Blue Muton]

10 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said:

Vote Leave may have overspent by something like £500k, but the Remain campaign effectively got an extra £9m of taxpayers money through that leaflet drop. That should have been illegal. 

"Should have" is your opinion, that is of little importance to me or to the law.

[Grouse]

3 hours ago, fvw53 said:

It would mean an open border - no controls -  between between the UK and the EU ....may-be you suggest a solution like in the arrival areas of  airports ..."nothing to declare = green lane" while " goods to declare = red lane"  /  smugglers are going to make a fortune

 

I thought the whole damn thing was control our borders! What are these Epsilons on about?

[nauseus]

5 hours ago, Basil B said:

Exactly the reason why it would not be possible to have a Brexit without a customs union with NI, if we end up with a No Deal Brexit we will be pushing Ireland back to the last century and it's problems.

and the only ways to achieve this is either:

1. Separate NI from the UK
2. A Customs Union for the whole UK
3. Cancel the unworkable Brexit.

 

 

4. Cancel the EU.

[Prissana Pescud]

7 hours ago, anterian said:

Ulster wants no hard border, neither does Eire nor the UK, so keep the EU out of it and there will not be one.

Or Britain could do what Paul McCartney urged in a song banned by England in the 1970's.

"Give Ireland back to the Irish" was a big hit on pirate and underground musical outlets.

It is a simple solution to once and for all end all the troubles.

 Win/win for everyone.

Britain claims a free trade agreement with what is now the north.

Britain closes the thought of illegal entry to the mainland from Ireland.

And Ireland gets its sovereignty back from British oppression for so many centuries.

Easy. lol Warning - sarcasm alert

 

[evadgib]

4 hours ago, Pilotman said:

Hate to state the obvious, but the border is between two different countries, at least for now, so Im not sure why there is an issue in understanding that fact. If the Irish want no border, the solution is also obvious, integrate and become one country, end of problem.

Actually of course, that would be the start of a whole new problem, or a very old one.  The Irish will always find a new way to fight among themselves. Far too many people have died defending the indefensible.   

A goodwill gesture would be for the Royal Engineers to donate one of their old ones on a show-'em-how-its-done plinth.

[Pilotman]

2 hours ago, Mavideol said:

SORRYYYY       THIS WAS SUPPOSED TO BE POSTED FOR THE OP WHO IS HAVING STOMACH PROBLEMS .....pushed the wrong button

This subject is giving me indigestion !! 

[tomacht8]

2 hours ago, CG1 Blue said:

Give us some actual examples of what risk there is to the EU if the border stays open after Brexit. 

 

Somebody said previously that sub-standard beef could be exported to the UK, then re-labled, then transported to RoI and then into EU countries. The cost of doing all that would wipe out the profit, and also the whole process would eat into the beef's sell by date. So this is not going to happen. 

 

If the EU were to install a border the troubles would start again. It would re-start a war. People will die. 

 

Which option do you think the peace loving EU will take - leave the border open and risk a few fast boiling kettles making their way into Dublin, or install a border and start a war?

 

There will be no border! 

 

 

EU demands 2.7bn euros of 'unpaid customs duty' from UK.

The UK is accused of doing too little to prevent fraud after it was warned about the problem by the EU's watchdog Olaf in 2017.

It begins a legal process which could end at the European Court of Justice.

 

The danger is, that everyday cheap garbage (medicines, food, electronics, textiles, toys, etc) from dubious sources unchecked in the UK is imported with the aim to sell them in the EU. The EU's strict product standards should be circumvented to the detriment of all EU consumers.

Criminals will exploit this vulnerability.

[dontejo]

50 minutes ago, Prissana Pescud said:

Or Britain could do what Paul McCartney urged in a song banned by England in the 1970's.

"Give Ireland back to the Irish" was a big hit on pirate and underground musical outlets.

It is a simple solution to once and for all end all the troubles.

 Win/win for everyone.

Britain claims a free trade agreement with what is now the north.

Britain closes the thought of illegal entry to the mainland from Ireland.

And Ireland gets its sovereignty back from British oppression for so many centuries.

Easy. lol Warning - sarcasm alert

 

John Lennon and Yoko Ono. "You should have the luck of the Irish"

[CG1 Blue]

13 minutes ago, tomacht8 said:

EU demands 2.7bn euros of 'unpaid customs duty' from UK.

The UK is accused of doing too little to prevent fraud after it was warned about the problem by the EU's watchdog Olaf in 2017.

It begins a legal process which could end at the European Court of Justice.

 

The danger is, that everyday cheap garbage (medicines, food, electronics, textiles, toys, etc) from dubious sources unchecked in the UK is imported with the aim to sell them in the EU. The EU's strict product standards should be circumvented to the detriment of all EU consumers.

Criminals will exploit this vulnerability.

I've already dealt with the food angle - won't happen for the reasons I stated. 

As for other goods, it's highly unlikely the UK standards would be materially lower than EU standards. 

 

I say again, do you think the EU would risk causing a war over these minimal trade risks? 

[tebee]

7 hours ago, smedly said:

17.4 million people say otherwise

17.4 million people, didn't think about the problems their decisions would cause in NI

 

To be fair no one really thought about it at the time.

 

Maybe we should ask them again?

 

if they affirm their choice, fully know all the problems it will cause in NI, then maybe we should ask the people in NI if they still want to be in the same country as them.

[tomacht8]

30 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said:

I've already dealt with the food angle - won't happen for the reasons I stated. 

As for other goods, it's highly unlikely the UK standards would be materially lower than EU standards. 

 

I say again, do you think the EU would risk causing a war over these minimal trade risks? 

A war?

That's nonsense.

 

If the UK is outside, it's a third state.

That the UK adopts EU quality standards? There are no legal guarantees. The UK has Not enough staff and capacities at the moment to make sure of that. Currently 400 veterinarians are needed additionally

at the border points, only for live cattle.

 

The UK is already in the situation of not being able to make any reasonable customs clearance. In the past, the UK has massively saved on personnel.

And by the end of march, the UK needs at least an additional 1000+ costums certified people. 

 

Minimal Trade Risks?

The open border would be a massive hole that would lead to billions in losses.

 

The problem is that the UK has not given enough thought to the prevalence of Brexit.
A national egoistic idiology meets

international, economic practice here.

[melvinmelvin]

34 minutes ago, tebee said:

17.4 million people, didn't think about the problems their decisions would cause in NI

 

To be fair no one really thought about it at the time.

 

Maybe we should ask them again?

 

if they affirm their choice, fully know all the problems it will cause in NI, then maybe we should ask the people in NI if they still want to be in the same country as them.

good idea, do that,

ask them the question

 

 

[billd766]

3 hours ago, Blue Muton said:

"Should have" is your opinion, that is of little importance to me or to the law.

Your opinion is of little or no importance to me or to the law either.

[billd766]

2 hours ago, Prissana Pescud said:

Or Britain could do what Paul McCartney urged in a song banned by England in the 1970's.

"Give Ireland back to the Irish" was a big hit on pirate and underground musical outlets.

It is a simple solution to once and for all end all the troubles.

 Win/win for everyone.

Britain claims a free trade agreement with what is now the north.

Britain closes the thought of illegal entry to the mainland from Ireland.

And Ireland gets its sovereignty back from British oppression for so many centuries.

Easy. lol Warning - sarcasm alert

 

Perhaps the people in NI don't want to be "given back to the Southern Irish" and perhaps the "Southern Irish" don't want the Northern Irish either.

[melvinmelvin]

32 minutes ago, billd766 said:

Perhaps the people in NI don't want to be "given back to the Southern Irish" and perhaps the "Southern Irish" don't want the Northern Irish either.

you may well be right there

 

sheit has no end

 

[Prissana Pescud]

23 minutes ago, billd766 said:

Perhaps the people in NI don't want to be "given back to the Southern Irish" and perhaps the "Southern Irish" don't want the Northern Irish either.

I think if my sarcasm recommendations were acted on, Ireland would become the Irish Republic.

And the northerers would possibly be treated far more humanely than England has treated the Republic. IMHO.

It may happen and to Britains advantage. No more big cost administration for a start. No more troubles, no more army and police presence.

Especially if a trade negotiation deal could be done.

And Irish Republic has always wanted to reunite Ireland.

 It may not happen in my life time, but I believe it will happen.

Written by an Aussie of English and Scottish origin who married an Irish lass.

[evadgib]

1 hour ago, Prissana Pescud said:

I think if my sarcasm recommendations were acted on, Ireland would become the Irish Republic.

And the northerers would possibly be treated far more humanely than England has treated the Republic. IMHO.

It may happen and to Britains advantage. No more big cost administration for a start. No more troubles, no more army and police presence.

Especially if a trade negotiation deal could be done.

And Irish Republic has always wanted to reunite Ireland.

 It may not happen in my life time, but I believe it will happen.

Written by an Aussie of English and Scottish origin who married an Irish lass.

I think it will happen too but only if they bin the marching season each year & refrain from ramming the potato famine down our throats as if it happened last week and that somehow we (present generation) are responsible for it.

Not many come from landed gentry (although some on this board would have us believe that they get out of the bath to have a pee). Our ancestors are just as likely to have been in a workhouse or manning the NW frontier so I for one am having none of that 'professional victim' baloney and have no desire to apologize for anything that occurred outside my own lifetime.

[Prissana Pescud]

5 minutes ago, evadgib said:

I think it will happen too but only if they bin the marching season each year & refrain from ramming the potato famine down our throats as if it happened last week and that somehow we (present generation) are responsible for it.

Not many come from landed gentry (although some on this board would have us believe that they get out of the bath to have a pee!). Our ancestors are just as likely to have been in a workhouse so I for one am having none of that 'professional victim' baloney and have no desire to apologize for anything that occurred outside my own lifetime.

The marching season will end with a United Irish Republic.

It is not relevant anymore, only to the current old age rednecks.

They will fade away after they die.

In Australia, we are being slowly groomed or better word, educated to acknowledge the crimes against the original inhabitants of our great country.

It takes little to acknowledge past injustices.

Then, that is no longer an issue.

We were not a part of the original crimes, But it takes us to acknowledge that there were crimes.

And that we, the current generation want to move on.