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"Border buster" shows why Brexit frontier checks in N.Ireland would matter

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1 hour ago, oldrunner said:

There would be no "troubles if the "Occupying Brits" would get the hell out of IRELAND.

If we simply upsticks they'll be a lot worse.

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5 hours ago, smedly said:

Ireland wants its cake - free NHS - free access to UK benefits not to mention jobs and housing - not too many are rushing back to ROI - lived there and its not pretty 

It's a lot prettier than the north of England.

Loads of Irish moving back. 

You already have your cake - the 6 counties. 

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2 hours ago, Laughing Gravy said:

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Thanks, that does confirm what I just said: Member states are sovereign and as such can decide or do whatever they want, including voting again, without the EU having any say in it.  

 

There is a mistake in your table though: The EU never proposed anything to those countries’ electorates. That’s those countries’ government, and you should know that from the Brexit referendum. I can’t remember the EU holding it. 

 

 

 

 

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9 hours ago, smedly said:

there is a border already

There currently is a border without checks (on people, goods, services or capital ) , an open border. This because both the UK and Ireland are in the EU. For that to remain so, at the very least the UK would need to be an EEA member (Norway,  Switzerland).

 

If the UK breaks all ties and wants to go with say trade agreements and such instead, then Ireland becomes an external border for the EU. Outside borders need protections. The Irish-UK border would need to be closed. Requiring Ireland to put up checkpoints, barriers and such at the border. 

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Open internal border vs closed external border

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6 hours ago, smedly said:

Are all the people here that advocate remaining in the EU happy with it transforming from a trading block to a Military power ?

 

I find that very disurbing

This is a very good point, not just about the E.u’s intention to create an E.u army. But even more importantly, what do those unelected Bureaucrats in Brussels have in store for a future E.u.

 

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4 hours ago, oldrunner said:

There would be no "troubles if the "Occupying Brits" would get the hell out of IRELAND.

Don’t moan to us. Convince the majority of the people who actually live in N.I.

 As for those Brits in the rest of the U.K. I beleive they would take the stance, up to them,if that’s what they want. Not like the unelected Bureaucrats in Brussels and their British lapdogs, who are trying to keep the U.K in this so called union,against the expressed Democratic wishes of the electorate.

 

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17 minutes ago, nontabury said:

This is a very good point, not just about the E.u’s intention to create an E.u army. But even more importantly, what do those unelected Bureaucrats in Brussels have in store for a future E.u.

 

You know proposals,  legislations,  directives etc have to go by the European parliament (Which you elect) or the European Council (in which every member is represented via the national government that is in power at the time)? 

 

So save some frustration for government or Euro Mps not doing what you would like them to do in Brussels. If a member state says no, there is little Brussels can do but keep on working on a proposal that has majority or universal support.

 

Having said that, just like national parliament and Senate, there certainly remains room for democratic improvement. Some want to do that from within as a members  others want out.. fine by me, to each their own. 

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20 minutes ago, Donutz said:

There currently is a border without checks (on people, goods, services or capital ) , an open border. This because both the UK and Ireland are in the EU. For that to remain so, at the very least the UK would need to be an EEA member (Norway,  Switzerland).

 

If the UK breaks all ties and wants to go with say trade agreements and such instead, then Ireland becomes an external border for the EU. Outside borders need protections. The Irish-UK border would need to be closed. Requiring Ireland to put up checkpoints, barriers and such at the border. 

 Who exactly is going to require the I.R to put up such a checkpoint, as the P.M. of the I.R has stated categorically that their will be no such boarder/checkpoint. And the U.K government has also stated they will not erect one. 

 Now who does that leave= the puppet master in Brussels.

 

 

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5 hours ago, fvw53 said:

the process you describe worked very well before the end of East Germany for manufacturers such as IKEA /  West Germany refused to accept there was a border between them and East Germany / IKEA manufactured in the former East Germany and then transported it to its facilities in West Germany from where the furniture would be sold without import tax in any EU member state

Ok, so can you explain how that scenario would play out post Brexit please.  Are you suggesting a company like IKEA would have furniture manufactured in NI and have it transported to the RoI? I don't see the benefits of that for an IKEA. 

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4 hours ago, rixalex said:

You don't think that might possibly have something to do with the fact that remainers lost the last one, and so if there is another one, the worst they can do is lose again. Whereas leave won. Why would leave want to have to win a vote they have already won?

 

And if remain wins this new referendum that you are so keen to have, how many of them do you imagine will then be keen to have another vote, just to make sure the country really wants to stay in the EU? 

 

The answer is, in case you are struggling, the same number who would be calling for another referendum now, had they won in 2016. Zero.

 

They are what is commonly known as sore losers. Unable to accept any result apart from when they win. All the more reason to not have another referendum.

 

Show you can respect vote outcomes first, before droning on about how you want another one.

When I’m sure I’ll win I don’t need five paragraphs to explain myself. I would just say: ok, go ahead. 

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15 hours ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

Thanks, that does confirm what I just said: Member states are sovereign and as such can decide or do whatever they want, including voting again, without the EU having any say in it.  

 

There is a mistake in your table though: The EU never proposed anything to those countries’ electorates. That’s those countries’ government, and you should know that from the Brexit referendum. I can’t remember the EU holding it. 

 

 

 

 

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