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2 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

22% of inmates in federal prison were non US citizens. Such inmates were either deemed to be in the country illegally or facing upcoming deportation proceedings.

 

https://www.openinvest.co/blog/statistics-prison-america/

Why not provide the corresponding population statistics?

 

Doesn't fit the narrative huh?

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4 minutes ago, wayned said:

Trump just declared a n Emergency to get the funds that he wants for the wall.  It would be nice to know exactly what will not be built by the military when they loose the 3.5 billion from their building fund?  Schools, Hospitals, Training facilities, etc.  Also during his speech he did not use a teleprompter and he was all over the place. He said that it was a National Emergency but during the questioning he said that he could build the wall over a longer period of time but he just wanted to do it fast.  So his ego is a National Emergency!  Also they keep using $4700/foot to estimate the cost of the wall.  It might have been the cost for his 30' high concrete disaster, but the bollard fencing that is what the CBP actually wants is less than $1000/foot.  How can we believe anything these idiots, including congress, says?

Don’t worry, he’ll never get beyond this declaration, done simply to tell the maga herd he tried. 

 

It won’t happen. 

 

There is no emergency and he’ll be stopped either by the courts or congress. 

 

His ego has led him to this lunatic gesture. 

 

I look forward to his humiliation when it fails. 

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9 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

Why not provide the corresponding population statistics?

 

Doesn't fit the narrative huh?

No. It does not fit your narrative. The fake narrative that is being parroted by the devotees, of the deflector in chief.

 

Administration officials have noted that roughly one in five inmates in federal prison are foreign-born, and that the vast majority of those people are in the United States illegally. They argue such statistics show the dangers illegal immigration poses to society. "The illegal immigrant crime rate in this country should be zero," US Attorney General Jeff Sessions said in a statement earlier this year. "Every crime committed by an illegal alien is, by definition, a crime that should have been prevented."
 
Advocates have slammed statistics released by the administration. "The vast majority of immigrants in federal prison are there for crimes that only immigrants can be charged with -- illegal entry and illegal entry after removal," Tom Jawetz, the vice president for immigration policy at the Center for American Progress, told The New York Times in 2017. "When you cook the books you shouldn't pretend to be surprised by the results."
 
 
 
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7 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

No. It does not fit your narrative. The fake narrative that is being parroted by the devotees, of the deflector in chief.

 

Administration officials have noted that roughly one in five inmates in federal prison are foreign-born, and that the vast majority of those people are in the United States illegally. They argue such statistics show the dangers illegal immigration poses to society. "The illegal immigrant crime rate in this country should be zero," US Attorney General Jeff Sessions said in a statement earlier this year. "Every crime committed by an illegal alien is, by definition, a crime that should have been prevented."
 
Advocates have slammed statistics released by the administration. "The vast majority of immigrants in federal prison are there for crimes that only immigrants can be charged with -- illegal entry and illegal entry after removal," Tom Jawetz, the vice president for immigration policy at the Center for American Progress, told The New York Times in 2017. "When you cook the books you shouldn't pretend to be surprised by the results."
 
 
 
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More Koolaid? So it's your position that federal prisons are full of people overstaying their visas? I don't doubt open border advocates slam data that shows illegal aliens commit a disproportionate amount of violent crime.

 

It is funny how the open boarder advocates always lump legal immigrants (very low instance of violent crime) with illegal alians (very high instance of violent crime) to make their data sets look better. Then they claim 80% of the people in prison are citizens, without making it clear what percentage of the general population are citizens. 

 

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Yellowtail said:

More Koolaid? So it's your position that federal prisons are full of people overstaying their visas? I don't doubt open border advocates slam data that shows illegal aliens commit a disproportionate amount of violent crime.

 

It is funny how the open boarder advocates always lump legal immigrants (very low instance of violent crime) with illegal alians (very high instance of violent crime) to make their data sets look better. Then they claim 80% of the people in prison are citizens, without making it clear what percentage of the general population are citizens. 

 

 

 

 

Where is your evidence that illegal aliens commit violent crimes at a very high rate? Do you realize that in the 90's and first decade of the 20th century, when border crossings were many times the rate of what they are now, violent crime in the USA actually plummeted?

 

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One nation is distinguished from another based on three factors.  Defined borders, a common language, and a unique culture.  When you go to France you anticipate people speaking French, French food, and Can Can dancing.  When nations such as the USA, France, Germany etc. become open borders countries and allow the country to become homogenized with people with alternative cultures those countries certainly lose the aspect of having borders and along with it their culture becomes homogenized.  Throughout history borders, cultures and languages have come and gone but losing their identities due to conquest.  The West will be the first time in history that countries essentially annihilate themselves committing cultural suicide by unchecked and unlimited migration of foreigners with cultures that are antithetical.  

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3 minutes ago, Thomas J said:

One nation is distinguished from another based on three factors.  Defined borders, a common language, and a unique culture.  When you go to France you anticipate people speaking French, French food, and Can Can dancing.  When nations such as the USA, France, Germany etc. become open borders countries and allow the country to become homogenized with people with alternative cultures those countries certainly lose the aspect of having borders and along with it their culture becomes homogenized.  Throughout history borders, cultures and languages have come and gone but losing their identities due to conquest.  The West will be the first time in history that countries essentially annihilate themselves committing cultural suicide by unchecked and unlimited migration of foreigners with cultures that are antithetical.  

First off, when the USA acquired the American Southwest one way or another, it inherited a Spanish speaking population. In addition, for much of the United States' history, there were communities of Germans, for example, who spoke German and had German newspapers. So the US has a long history as a polyglot nation. As for cultures becoming homogenized, I don't see France or Germany expelling McDonald's or similar international businesses whether it be style, media or food. And these have done far more to "homogenize" cultures than immigration. 

And of course there isn't unlimited immigration by any means. In case you haven't heard, immigration from the mideast to Europe has declined precipitously as has immigration over the USA's southern border.

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2 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

 I don't see France or Germany expelling McDonald's or similar international businesses whether it be style, media or food. And these have done far more to "homogenize" cultures than immigration. 

 

 

And that's why I don't travel to Europe anymore.

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36 minutes ago, Thomas J said:

One nation is distinguished from another based on three factors.  Defined borders, a common language, and a unique culture.

 

Sounds like the beginnings of a Monty Python skit?

 

And of course, the U.S. (and other countries) does not fit this model. We are a nation of immigrants. Immigrants make us stronger, not weaker.

 

 

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57 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

Where is your evidence that illegal aliens commit violent crimes at a very high rate? Do you realize that in the 90's and first decade of the 20th century, when border crossings were many times the rate of what they are now, violent crime in the USA actually plummeted?

 

A few points.  First, irrespective of the crime rate of illegals using that as a justification for allowing entry to a country is illogical.  That is like saying you will allow an illegal into your home because he will only steal from your as contrasted to allowing a legal to enter your home because he is more likely to assault you.  

Every country has a right to 'INVITE" Into their country those who it wishes to.  The people of the world have no inherent right to enter any country just because they want to. 

In terms of crime in the USA and illegals.  It is estimated that approximately 3% of the U.S. Population is illegal but 20% of the population in Federal Prisons are illegals.  Also there are approximately 40,000 homicides using firearms in the USA annually, and 73,000 deaths from drug overdoses each year.  Of those 40,000 firearm deaths it is estimated that approximately 60% are suicide. Of the remainder about 80% are gang/drug related and 80% of the drugs and gangs originate from illegals from the U.S. Southern Border.  Even if none of that was true. Illegals steal from the U.S. taxpayer.  Aside from the welfare that most obtain, the average illegal has 3 or more children.  The cost to the U.S. taxpayer to educate those children is approximately $12,000 per child per year. 

https://thehill.com/opinion/immigration/407312-one-in-five-us-prison-inmates-is-a-criminal-alien

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fake news indeed.

 

trump was elected with a mandate for a wall payed for by Mexico, not the tax payer. 

 

He was not elected by the majority of the country, as he got less than 50% of the vote. 

Edited yesterday at 12:20 PM by Bluespunk

 

LOL  You better re-read the post. Yes, he got less than 50% of the vote but was elected by a majority of the country. That's a fact!! You need to learn about the function of the electoral college.

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20 minutes ago, Thomas J said:

  The people of the world have no inherent right to enter any country just because they want to. 

Some might say that people have inherent rights stemming from the fact they are people and that countries have no inherent rights other than those that they can project through power.

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24 minutes ago, Thomas J said:

A few points.  First, irrespective of the crime rate of illegals using that as a justification for allowing entry to a country is illogical.  That is like saying you will allow an illegal into your home because he will only steal from your as contrasted to allowing a legal to enter your home because he is more likely to assault you.  

Every country has a right to 'INVITE" Into their country those who it wishes to.  The people of the world have no inherent right to enter any country just because they want to. 

In terms of crime in the USA and illegals.  It is estimated that approximately 3% of the U.S. Population is illegal but 20% of the population in Federal Prisons are illegals.  Also there are approximately 40,000 homicides using firearms in the USA annually, and 73,000 deaths from drug overdoses each year.  Of those 40,000 firearm deaths it is estimated that approximately 60% are suicide. Of the remainder about 80% are gang/drug related and 80% of the drugs and gangs originate from illegals from the U.S. Southern Border.  Even if none of that was true. Illegals steal from the U.S. taxpayer.  Aside from the welfare that most obtain, the average illegal has 3 or more children.  The cost to the U.S. taxpayer to educate those children is approximately $12,000 per child per year. 

https://thehill.com/opinion/immigration/407312-one-in-five-us-prison-inmates-is-a-criminal-alien

But federal prisons only account for 10 percent of the total prison population. And since immigration violations are subject to federal law, naturally all illegal immigrants will be housed in federal prisons. The other main portion of illegal aliens in federal prisons is smugglers of various kinds especially drug runners. Again, this is under the jurisdiction of the federal government. The figures are much, much lower for state prisons.

https://www.cato.org/blog/another-confusing-federal-report-immigrant-incarceration

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2 hours ago, Rockhopper said:

 

fake news indeed.

 

trump was elected with a mandate for a wall payed for by Mexico, not the tax payer. 

 

He was not elected by the majority of the country, as he got less than 50% of the vote. 

Edited yesterday at 12:20 PM by Bluespunk

 

LOL  You better re-read the post. Yes, he got less than 50% of the vote but was elected by a majority of the country. That's a fact!! You need to learn about the function of the electoral college.

Funny how you chose to respond my post by copying it rather than actually quoting it, almost as if you were trying to avoid alerting me to the fact you had responded.... 

 

You need to learn to understand that elected by majority of the country means those who directly voted for the president.

 

trump had a minority of votes cast by the population. 

 

Fact. 

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Personally, I don't see that it matters whether illegal aliens are committing violent crimes or not.

 

I think the border should be sealed, and people should be stopped from entering illegally. I think a secure wall is a great way to stop people from entering the county illegally. 

 

Will it stop everyone? No.

 

Will it stop a lot of people? Yes.

 

 

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